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Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2

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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2 

Post#1301 » by PushDaRock » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:13 pm

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Yup. The Sixers. Only team that makes sense. They upgrade from to Tobias Harris to Pascal, and atone for their mistake in not maxing out Butler.

Masai's goal now should be to clear as much cap space for the summer by trading Schroder and Boucher for expirings. It's the only way to start building a competitive team around Scottie, RJ and IQ going forward.


I also think it's the Sixers. This supposed fued with Nurse was overblown. It was one incident. Siakam became a 2x A-S and 2x All-NBA under him. Nurse loved him and played him as much as he wanted, and Siakam seemingly enjoyed the heavy minutes. I also think people are overstating the renouncements and other cuts they would have to make. When you can come out of it with a trio of Embiid, Maxey and Siakam, you do it.



How do you watch our lack of spacing and think Pascal next to Embiid is worth investing a max?


They operate from different areas. Siakam has become a dominant low post scorer and is a good corner 3 shooter (47% this year). Embiid operates mostly from the elbow area.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2 

Post#1302 » by Brinbe » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:13 pm

all comes down to our own unwillingness to fully max him out. they obviously don't want to do it, but some teams will. trade him there and be done with it. he's not gonna say to to 5 years whether that's detroit or indiana or dallas. there's no player that will turn down 5 years max and he would get clowned for doing so.
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Post#1303 » by ItsDanger » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:14 pm

Really don't want this dragging on into next season. There's other roster moves that need to be executed.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2 

Post#1304 » by StopitLeo » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:14 pm

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Something clearly went wrong between the org and pascal. What a mess


I don't really understand where this belief comes from other than one report about the team "cutting off communications" in the summer (whatever that means).

The team offered him an extension at the start of last season that he declined. It was reported as a 3 year extension, which makes zero sense because that would only add 1 new year to his deal. I suspect the reporter meant an offer that extends his current deal another 3 years after it ends. That means the Raptors offered him a 5 year extension because the CBA includes the remaining years on the current contract in the extension term.

Pascal declining this offer probably means he wanted to try and make All-NBA to increase his base salary and/or wanted to wait so that he was able to get more than 3 new years on an extension (the maximum available at that time).

The team did not offer an extension at the start of this season. When Masai was asked about it he referred to the selfishness of the team last year. I don't think that's specifically about Pascal being a selfish player. A team being selfish can mean they don't trust their teammates enough and not that players are only trying to put up numbers for themselves. It makes sense to me that Masai would want to see if the team can play unselfishly this year (especially without Fred—addition by subtraction IMO) before committing to keeping Pascal as part of the core for 3-4 years.

The report about the team and Pascal working towards a December 30th deadline for an extension makes little sense to me. Yes, it would have setup his tradability for the start of the off-season but how is that a good thing to be negotiating around? We want to sign you now so we have the flexibility to trade you in 6 months? That isn't much of a commitment from the team and it would be fair for a player to be put off if that actually happened.

A possible factor actually creating "mess" is if Pascal thinks the 5 year extension that was offered last season (per my interpretation) should still be on the table; that would add 4 new years to his expiring contract. Meanwhile, the team might only be offering a 4 year extension right now so that the length of his contract remains the same as it would have been if he signed an extension last year (3 new years). If this is a point of contention then it again makes sense that Pascal wouldn't sign an extension before the off-season.

I think they all know it's a business. It is in the best interest for the team to try and trade him if they think they can get more value than Pascal would provide on an extension. It is in Pascal's best interest to not make any commitments now and explore free agency. The Raptors could hold firm on an offer with 3 new years but tell Pascal to explore free agency and they would match an offer of 4 years. In the end it might be in both their best interests to re-sign in Toronto. We shall see.
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Post#1305 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:16 pm

Red_Claw wrote:Unfortunately for Pascal, this is a typical way to ruin your reputation before leaving for another team. Will Pascal be the next Vince and/or Bosh?


Vince and Bosh bailed on this team.
Pascal wants to stay...

Completely different scenarios.
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Post#1306 » by Tha Cynic » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:16 pm

The only person to blame here is probably Masai. The Hawks signed Murray who was in a similar position and he can now be traded at the deadline The Raptors are pretty much screwed unless they decide to sign him and revisit this in a year (if he will actually re-sign).

I really don't think he would sign with Toronto though I less they give him a much better offer than others. I think chances are he wants to just play out the season and go into free agency and knows at least one team who will give him what he wants (a team outside of the Raptors).
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2 

Post#1307 » by Brinbe » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:18 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
Red_Claw wrote:Unfortunately for Pascal, this is a typical way to ruin your reputation before leaving for another team. Will Pascal be the next Vince and/or Bosh?


Vince and Bosh bailed on this team.
Pascal wants to stay...

Completely different scenarios.

he wants to stay anywhere that will pay him. let's not overcomplicate it
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2 

Post#1308 » by Tha Cynic » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:19 pm

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That seems completely reasonable. Unless it's a team he specifically wants to play for there is no benefit to him making any promises.


It's not reasonable because he is making it public which poop offers. The front office right now are screwing over the Barnes's development year. His attempts and usage have tanked and we have some clowns that think we should resign some lazy diva about to turn 30


His usage and attempts have tanked due to strategy, not because of Siakam. They can easily keep Siakam and still feature Barnes more. The two have actually played well together.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2 

Post#1309 » by DG88 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:19 pm

Matt Moore is a terrible source he knows nothing.
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Post#1310 » by Mister Ze » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:20 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:I'd bet a lot of money that the team with his bird rights will be the team that signs him.


Yes captain obvious. Only team with his bird rights can offer the 5th year


He’s implying whoever trades for Siakam will end up re-signing him, not just offering him the 5th year.

However I think if Detroit trades for him he’ll probably take a 4 year max elsewhere like Philly
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Post#1311 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:20 pm

Funny how "Matt Moore" got so many of y'all in your feelings and all riled up.
This is exactly what this Mr.NOBODY was hoping for when he spewed this nonsense.
He wanted the clicks and attention.
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Post#1312 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:21 pm

Masai playing this like he doesnt care if he walks
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2 

Post#1313 » by JB7 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:22 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:I'd bet a lot of money that the team with his bird rights will be the team that signs him.


Exactly. Trade him to Detroit for Ausar and salary filler.

They will pay him a 5 year max deal.
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Post#1314 » by ItsDanger » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:24 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:The only person to blame here is probably Masai. The Hawks signed Murray who was in a similar position and he can now be traded at the deadline The Raptors are pretty much screwed unless they decide to sign him and revisit this in a year (if he will actually re-sign).

I really don't think he would sign with Toronto though I less they give him a much better offer than others. I think chances are he wants to just play out the season and go into free agency and knows at least one team who will give him what he wants (a team outside of the Raptors).

We can't really rely on anything in the media. Fred lied also. They probably made an extension offer to Siakam around the same period as murray, if not earlier. He declined, waiting for the 5th year. Siakam knows they won't want to give 5th unless coerced. Now, acquiring teams now will be in same situation but will likely make arrangements prior to trade.

Personally, these max rules on contracts has created some issues.
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Post#1315 » by ArthurVandelay » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:31 pm

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That’s dumb on his part. Half these teams can’t even sign him in the off-season.

Is it really Philly or bust?


He's letting potential teams know that if they trade for him they better be ready to offer him a 5 year max.


Yup.

If anything, that makes me feel better. Teams trading for him should recognize he isn't going anywhere if you back up the brinks truck.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2 

Post#1316 » by Tha Cynic » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:33 pm

ItsDanger wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:The only person to blame here is probably Masai. The Hawks signed Murray who was in a similar position and he can now be traded at the deadline The Raptors are pretty much screwed unless they decide to sign him and revisit this in a year (if he will actually re-sign).

I really don't think he would sign with Toronto though I less they give him a much better offer than others. I think chances are he wants to just play out the season and go into free agency and knows at least one team who will give him what he wants (a team outside of the Raptors).

We can't really rely on anything in the media. Fred lied also. They probably made an extension offer to Siakam around the same period as murray, if not earlier. He declined, waiting for the 5th year. Siakam knows they won't want to give 5th unless coerced. Now, acquiring teams now will be in same situation but will likely make arrangements prior to trade.

Personally, these max rules on contracts has created some issues.


Yeah, it does seem a bit strange how everything has transpired. From everything we've seen, Masai takes care of his guys financially. The way this team completely turned away from Siakam makes me think this has been ongoing for a long time - Siakam refusing to sign for anything but a ridiculous amount. Otherwise we would see both sides working together on this. There is no way Siakam actually wants to sign with the Raptors when he can clearly see the organization wants to go in a different direction. He's now using the fact that the Raptors don't have roo many options and reducing them even further by letting everyone know he won't agree verbally with any team.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2 

Post#1317 » by mtcan » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:34 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:Masai playing this like he doesnt care if he walks

First rule of negotiation...always be willing to walk away if the deal isn't good.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2 

Post#1318 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:35 pm

Worst case is we settle with that poo poo platter from the Kings and bolster our depth.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2 

Post#1319 » by grimlock » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:38 pm

Don't know how many more 3's over pascal I can take. He never closes out in time.. and never has his hands up.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2 

Post#1320 » by SpezNc » Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:39 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
tdotrep2 wrote:he wants to pick a team and facilitate a sign and trade where we get back a precious type return... f that


He wants to stay in Toronto, or have the ability to pick where he plays next. What a monster.


He is definitely not a monster.

But Does he truly wants to stay in Toronto? Resigned in Toronto does not means he wants to stays here.

Siakam knows he has leverage and he is using it.

I fail to see enthusiasm in his demeanour .

I am not saying he does not want to stays. I am sure saying we don’t know.

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