2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #1321 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Sat Dec 3, 2011 8:49 pm

Ed Davis and Leandro Barbosa to Indy for Darren Collison, Brandon Rush, and a 1st rd. pick? Yes, no, maybe so?

Post #1322 » by **Mr Swagtastic** » Sat Dec 3, 2011 9:13 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Ed Davis and Leandro Barbosa to Indy for Darren Collison, Brandon Rush, and a 1st rd. pick? Yes, no, maybe so?

Normally I would wait till draft day to make a Ed Davis for a 2nd 2012 pick type of gamble but Collison looks like enough for me to make that risk. He's a good playmaker and defender from what I seen of him and Rush could be good shooter off the bench for us and the first helps to possibly add that 2nd piece for us in 2012's draft.

I don't think Indy is great they are good but with the team now they are a team I think that will be in the middle of the lotto at the 10-15 range. If they sign Nene outright or any other big name FA this offseason I don't do the trade cause with say Nene or any big name FA their pick would drop into the 15-20 range and Collison + Rush isn't that great of a package considering what we could get for Ed Davis if we were to wait to deal him on draft day

Visceral · Post #1323 » by **Visceral** » Sat Dec 3, 2011 9:14 pm

I would definitely do that deal.

Courtside · Post #1324 » by **Courtside** » Sat Dec 3, 2011 9:19 pm

Calderon or Barbosa for Marvin Williams?

Barbosa could fill the Crawford role, while Calderon is an able set up guy rather than Hinrich.

We get a SF who needs a change of scenery who can opt out after this 'contract' season.

Post #1325 » by **Mr Swagtastic** » Sat Dec 3, 2011 9:25 pm

Courtside wrote:Calderon or Barbosa for Marvin Williams?

Barbosa could fill the Crawford role, while Calderon is an able set up guy rather than Hinrich.

We get a SF who needs a change of scenery who can opt out after this 'contract' season.

I wouldn't do Bargs for Marvin straight up and neither would Atlanta. For Toronto's side of things Marvin eats up a extra $8+ million of 2012/2013 cap space which we should be using for Russell Westbrook or somebody else. With Calderon for Marv Williams I easily do that in fact it saves us a extra $1-$2 million in each of the next 2 years. Atlanta isn't trading a legit SF for a PG they have Hinrich and Teague already as their playmakers adding in Calderon is just bad considering how thin The Hawks are right now

Post #1326 » by **Hassassin** » Sat Dec 3, 2011 11:01 pm

Courtside wrote:Calderon or Barbosa for Marvin Williams?

Barbosa could fill the Crawford role, while Calderon is an able set up guy rather than Hinrich.

We get a SF who needs a change of scenery who can opt out after this 'contract' season.

Barbosa for Marvin makes sense. I would do that deal.

EDIT: Never mind. Just saw that Marvin has an extra year.

Courtside · Post #1327 » by **Courtside** » Sun Dec 4, 2011 12:01 am

Hassassin wrote:Barbosa for Marvin makes sense. I would do that deal.

EDIT: Never mind. Just saw that Marvin has an extra year.

It's a player option, so you know he'll opt out to try and get a long term deal in a summer when there are a lot of buyers. Contract season means we benefit too, but I'm not sure Barbosa and maybe a 2nd rounder is really enough.

I hear they've been disappointed in Williams and he's frequently thrown around in trade ideas, and in a normal year he could probably land them a younger prospect and a protected pick of some kind, but unless he agrees to an extension any team that gets him knows he's only there for a year before he opts out. No one will extend him now considering his value on any other team is sort of unknown, considering his nebulous sort of play in ATL.

If they really like Teague, then Barbosa makes some sense as a scoring guard because they won't have to commit long term like they would with Crawford or another FA.

RocLaFamilia · Post #1328 » by **RocLaFamilia** » Sun Dec 4, 2011 1:26 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Ed Davis and Leandro Barbosa to Indy for Darren Collison, Brandon Rush, and a 1st rd. pick? Yes, no, maybe so?

DOOOO IT. Brandon Rush is a perfect 2/3. I would throw in Bayless if Indy changed their mind about him.

koolguy · Post #1329 » by **koolguy** » Sun Dec 4, 2011 3:11 am

marvin william's contract looks atrocious. also it's not like he'll be a signifact upgrade to our 3 spot.

JamesNaismith · Post #1330 » by **JamesNaismith** » Sun Dec 4, 2011 3:27 am

RocLaFamilia wrote:
Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Ed Davis and Leandro Barbosa to Indy for Darren Collison, Brandon Rush, and a 1st rd. pick? Yes, no, maybe so?

DOOOO IT. Brandon Rush is a perfect 2/3. I would throw in Bayless if Indy changed their mind about him.

That would be great for us but I really couldn't see the Pacers giving up Collison that quick.

witnessraps · Post #1331 » by **witnessraps** » Sun Dec 4, 2011 8:06 am

Toronto trades: Ed Davis

Memphis trades: OJ Mayo

Maybe towards the trade deadline...we could end up having a wing rotation DeRozan/Mayo/Miller or Barnes or Gilchrist/James Johnson.

I don`t want to trade Ed at all...but just an idea contingent on Bargs improving his defense.

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #1332 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Sun Dec 4, 2011 8:19 am

Barbosa + Kleiza

For

Williams + Rolle + Sy

* both Rolle + Sy can be cut

We get an upgrade at the SF spot

ATL gets a guy to fill in for Crawford

Calderon / Bayless
Derozan / SG
Williams / Johnson
Bargnani / Davis
C / Amir / Alabi

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #1333 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Sun Dec 4, 2011 8:25 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Ed Davis and Leandro Barbosa to Indy for Darren Collison, Brandon Rush, and a 1st rd. pick? Yes, no, maybe so?

I like it. I'd much rather deal Bargnani though and I think IND is a good spot for him (Bargnani for Posey + 2012 1st)

Kabongo / Teague (IND 1st)
Derozan
Gilchrist / Barnes / Miller (TOR 1st)
Davis
Val

DreamTeam09 · Post #1334 » by **DreamTeam09** » Sun Dec 4, 2011 3:49 pm

Teague is one of thee worst college pgs i've seen in yrs.

garbagnani · Post #1335 » by **garbagnani** » Sun Dec 4, 2011 4:30 pm

this is ot, but i figured not worthy of its own thread. Was just thinking about how bad the baron davis for #1 pick trade was for the clippers, especially now that Cleveland can just amnesty Baron anyway. The clips could have had Irving and just cut baron! They basically gave away the #1 pick for nothing! Baylor should be fired!!!

bboyskinnylegs · Post #1336 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Sun Dec 4, 2011 5:13 pm

^^ Baylor hasn't been with the Clippers since 2008, when he was fired. This was Dunleavy in charge.

silverhill27 · Post #1337 » by **silverhill27** » Sun Dec 4, 2011 5:52 pm

If the Clippers match an offer sheet for DeAndre Jordan, maybe we should look at Kaman as a stop gap to Jonas.

Kaman for Barbosa straight up followed by Gomes (2/8) and Foye (1/4.25) for our TPE.

Saves potentially 13 million for the Clippers. Also gives them a better chance to go after Paul and Howard in FA next year and enough capspace to also resign Eric Gordon.

For us, it allows more minutes for Bayless and allows the Raps to see Bargs play with a real center while still maintaining flexibility for 2012.

Calderon (30) / Bayless (18)
Derozan (36) / Bayless (12) / Foye
Johnson (30) / Gomes or Kleiza (18)
Bargnani (30) / Davis (18)
Kaman (24) / Johnson (24)

Kaman is a lock to get injured at some point which will allow Davis to get more minutes as the season progresses.

Post #1338 » by **Hassassin** » Sun Dec 4, 2011 6:16 pm

Courtside wrote:
Hassassin wrote:Barbosa for Marvin makes sense. I would do that deal.

EDIT: Never mind. Just saw that Marvin has an extra year.

It's a player option, so you know he'll opt out to try and get a long term deal in a summer when there are a lot of buyers. Contract season means we benefit too, but I'm not sure Barbosa and maybe a 2nd rounder is really enough.

I hear they've been disappointed in Williams and he's frequently thrown around in trade ideas, and in a normal year he could probably land them a younger prospect and a protected pick of some kind, but unless he agrees to an extension any team that gets him knows he's only there for a year before he opts out. No one will extend him now considering his value on any other team is sort of unknown, considering his nebulous sort of play in ATL.

If they really like Teague, then Barbosa makes some sense as a scoring guard because they won't have to commit long term like they would with Crawford or another FA.

I don't think its a smart move to make a trade banking on him opting out if he has a contract season. What if he doesn't? He has been largely average throughout his career.

The Hawks will most certainly take it now considering that they save money and don't have to sign someone to replace some of Crawford's production. They have been shopping Williams but no one wants him.

Post #1339 » by **Hassassin** » Sun Dec 4, 2011 6:36 pm

silverhill27 wrote:If the Clippers match an offer sheet for DeAndre Jordan, maybe we should look at Kaman as a stop gap to Jonas.

Kaman for Barbosa straight up followed by Gomes (2/8) and Foye (1/4.25) for our TPE.

Saves potentially 13 million for the Clippers. Also gives them a better chance to go after Paul and Howard in FA next year and enough capspace to also resign Eric Gordon.

For us, it allows more minutes for Bayless and allows the Raps to see Bargs play with a real center while still maintaining flexibility for 2012.

Calderon (30) / Bayless (18)
Derozan (36) / Bayless (12) / Foye
Johnson (30) / Gomes or Kleiza (18)
Bargnani (30) / Davis (18)
Kaman (24) / Johnson (24)

Kaman is a lock to get injured at some point which will allow Davis to get more minutes as the season progresses.

The Raptors don't need to take on Gomes or Foye. Just by doing Kaman for Barbosa, the Clippers get immediate savings of 5M that they can use this summer during the free agent period.

Second the 9M TPE counts as a hold. If you want to use your 7M in capspace to make the Kaman for Barbosa trade, then you have to renounce the trade exception. You can't use both.

silverhill27 · Post #1340 » by **silverhill27** » Sun Dec 4, 2011 6:42 pm

Hassassin wrote:The Raptors don't need to take on Gomes or Foye. Just by doing Kaman for Barbosa, the Clippers get immediate savings of 5M that they can use this summer during the free agent period.

Second the 9M TPE counts as a hold. If you want to use your 7M in capspace to make the Kaman for Barbosa trade, then you have to renounce the trade exception. You can't use both.

I see, didn't realize that. Kaman and Gomes for Barbosa and Alabi works. The incentive for the Clippers is to get rid of Gomes' contract. I can't see the deal getting done otherwise.