Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Big shot Beal

[Undefeated]

Beal knocks down the 3.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Patric Young=softer Joey Dorsey

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Strong take by Beal, draws the foul

[fredericklove]

As for you I've done my job...While we still don't agree about Barnes I've got you to drop
the kid talk and got you focused and having a real discussion.

Thats what a good poster does he makes other posters better

Funny if you're a good poster, you should be able to take it well if other posters bud in but you became all emo boy sensitive.

I know your kind, one that can't win in an argument thus choose to take a shameful act by calling someone immature. That's a big, big comeback.

And it only proves again that you make inconsistent result after all you can come up with from an entire debate is "you have refused to acknowledge any flaws in Barnes game". You should try to reread things with magnify glass, it helps too while watching the game.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Didn't like the way Beal finished this game. He hit that 3, then jacked one from like 28 feet, missed and then disappeared for several minutes until they called an OOB play for him after the game was decided. Then he almost aired that 1st FT.

[Waylon Mercy]

As for you I've done my job...While we still don't agree about Barnes I've got you to drop
the kid talk and got you focused and having a real discussion.

Thats what a good poster does he makes other posters better

Funny if you're a good poster, you should be able to take it well if other posters bud in but you became all emo boy sensitive.

I know your kind, one that can't win in an argument thus choose to take a shameful act by calling someone immature. That's a big, big comeback.

And it only proves again that you make inconsistent result after all you can come up with from an entire debate is "you have refused to acknowledge any flaws in Barnes game". You should try to reread things with magnify glass, it helps too while watching the game.

Your the one still going on and on and on about this....

About several pages ago I told you I was done playing this "game"

But you don't want to let it drop you like the drama your still wounded from some
cheap shots from the beginning.

I tried steering this back to the draft but your still rattled that you've become a broken
record repeating yourself over and over again. Your trying to convince yourself that you
won something. Blaming your flaws on me...

My opinion lines up with the majority of scouts and webistes on the net do you think I
care about someone who watches a few quarters on an illegal stream on a computer thinks?

Your entitled to think what you want but I don't throw hissy fits when people disagree
with me and start attacking people like you 2. Thats a bitch move and I lose respect for
posters like that....

You can keep on justifying your D0uching, being a broken record with some lame insults or
just drop the drama.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Didn't like the way Beal finished this game. He hit that 3, then jacked one from like 28 feet, missed and then disappeared for several minutes until they called an OOB play for him after the game was decided. Then he almost aired that 1st FT.

Yeah, you know what, I'm looking for some prospect, any wing prospect, to step up, and put together an impressive stretch, as in down the stretch of games, in clutch situations, etc. I want some prospects to take the reigns of their respective team(s), so to speak. No prospect is stepping up in that regard.

I might have to heed dagger's suggestion of Damian Lillard, the PG out of Weber St. Now, that's a kid, if he can do what Steph Curry did with Davidson's run in the tourney, he becomes an option for us, particularly if we somehow finish outside of the top 5, maybe around 7ish.

Now, back to Brad Beal for a sec, he's been a model of consistency. I think he's pretty much turned in 15 + pts, 7 boards, 2 asts. over his last 10 games or so. Tonight, 16 pts, 4 boards. But, the thing is, he plays the game like a PG, in terms of moving the ball, deferring to Walker and Boynton. It's just like Jeremy Lamb deferring to Shabazz Napier or Boatright.

I still liked what I saw from Beal on the whole, tonight. Had some trouble finishing over length, but also had some impressive dribble drives as well. He's going to be one of those key glue-guy type players, at the least, with the potential to be more so long as he can get his jumpshot to be become THE weapon for him - it's very important for him to get it to that point, and I think he can, because he's been touted as a sniper. Just needs to keep watching those Ray Allen tapes, the guy who he aspires to be one day.

[Rapsfan07]

for the past three years or so I've always been very pessimistic about Drummond (the problems he is having now, hes had for years). However, I've watched him a lot lately and don't think he has shown anything that negative and still has what it takes to be a star in the nba under the right circumstances.
I think because of the situation going on at Uconn, Drummond and Lamb are going to be severely underrated come June. Maybe not as much for AD since he will still likely go second, but a lot of fans have soured on him for what I believe to be the wrong reasons. However, Lamb I think will slip in the draft and has a chance to be a great steal (depending on how far he goes).

I couldn't agree more. This horrible run that UConn's been having could end up being a blessing in disguise for us or any other team looking at him. He does have some things about his game that he needs to fix but he can ball. He's projected as a late lotto pick but I think he's going to be a hell of player.

[fredericklove]

Now, back to Brad Beal for a sec, he's been a model of consistency. I think he's pretty much turned in 15 + pts, 7 boards, 2 asts. over his last 10 games or so. Tonight, 16 pts, 4 boards. But, the thing is, he plays the game like a PG, in terms of moving the ball, deferring to Walker and Boynton. It's just like Jeremy Lamb deferring to Shabazz Napier or Boatright.

I still liked what I saw from Beal on the whole, tonight. Had some trouble finishing over length, but also had some impressive dribble drives as well. He's going to be one of those key glue-guy type players, at the least, with the potential to be more so long as he can get his jumpshot to be become THE weapon for him - it's very important for him to get it to that point, and I think he can, because he's been touted as a sniper. Just needs to keep watching those Ray Allen tapes, the guy who he aspires to be one day.

I haven't watched much of him but saw 3-4 games of beal in entire season, in last few games why was he playing PF like some of y'all mentioned during gameplay here? And how's his dribble-drive btw? I know he picks his spot to drive, but in 1 or 2 games he didn't utilize dribble drive much but against kentucky he has, it's not demar-ish rite? Does it have first-step explosive, or uses hesitation well?

[Waylon Mercy]

Didn't like the way Beal finished this game. He hit that 3, then jacked one from like 28 feet, missed and then disappeared for several minutes until they called an OOB play for him after the game was decided. Then he almost aired that 1st FT.

Yeah, you know what, I'm looking for some prospect, any wing prospect, to step up, and put together an impressive stretch, as in down the stretch of games, in clutch situations, etc. I want some prospects to take the reigns of their respective team(s), so to speak. No prospect is stepping up in that regard.

I might have to heed dagger's suggestion of Damian Lillard, the PG out of Weber St. Now, that's a kid, if he can do what Steph Curry did with Davidson's run in the tourney, he becomes an option for us, particularly if we somehow finish outside of the top 5, maybe around 7ish.

Now, back to Brad Beal for a sec, he's been a model of consistency. I think he's pretty much turned in 15 + pts, 7 boards, 2 asts. over his last 10 games or so. Tonight, 16 pts, 4 boards. But, the thing is, he plays the game like a PG, in terms of moving the ball, deferring to Walker and Boynton. It's just like Jeremy Lamb deferring to Shabazz Napier or Boatright.

I still liked what I saw from Beal on the whole, tonight. Had some trouble finishing over length, but also had some impressive dribble drives as well. He's going to be one of those key glue-guy type players, at the least, with the potential to be more so long as he can get his jumpshot to be become THE weapon for him - it's very important for him to get it to that point, and I think he can, because he's been touted as a sniper. Just needs to keep watching those Ray Allen tapes, the guy who he aspires to be one day.

Ya I think your bang on.... I PVR'd the Florida game during the Raps game can't wait to watch
it after.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Now, back to Brad Beal for a sec, he's been a model of consistency. I think he's pretty much turned in 15 + pts, 7 boards, 2 asts. over his last 10 games or so. Tonight, 16 pts, 4 boards. But, the thing is, he plays the game like a PG, in terms of moving the ball, deferring to Walker and Boynton. It's just like Jeremy Lamb deferring to Shabazz Napier or Boatright.

I still liked what I saw from Beal on the whole, tonight. Had some trouble finishing over length, but also had some impressive dribble drives as well. He's going to be one of those key glue-guy type players, at the least, with the potential to be more so long as he can get his jumpshot to be become THE weapon for him - it's very important for him to get it to that point, and I think he can, because he's been touted as a sniper. Just needs to keep watching those Ray Allen tapes, the guy who he aspires to be one day.

I haven't watched much of him but saw 3-4 games of beal in entire season, in last few games why was he playing PF like some of y'all mentioned during gameplay here? And how's his dribble-drive btw? I know he picks his spot to drive, but in 1 or 2 games he didn't utilize dribble drive much but against kentucky he has, it's not demar-ish rite? Does it have first-step explosive, or uses hesitation well?

I'm not really sure why he's been playing PF, to be honest. I don't know their roster configuration to say for sure whether they lack bigs or not, but I do know he plays with two smalls, in Boynton and Walker, who both start alongside him. So, in a sense, he's playing out of position right from the outset of games, even though on offence, he handles the ball a fair share of the time.

As far as his drives go - once Beal sees a lane to the basket, he's gone. He'll use his decent 1st step and try to beat his man to the rim. Unlike DeMar, Beal does show a developing crossover dribble. I mean, I've seen him go to a crossover, which is the good thing, something DeMar obviously doesn't have, or does have, but lacks confidence in using it. He doesn't appear to have any trouble getting into the painted area, but I have to say, finishing at the rim may be a concern at the NBA level, so he'd need to develop a mid-range pullup, like Jeremy Lamb has in his arsenal, but you know, I do like how he picks his spots, and is aggressive in taking it to the rim, looking to draw contact.

I like him as a prospect, it's easy to see what kind of player he could be, and/or what he has to develop. He's got a definable base - he can handle it, he can shoot it, he's got an NBA frame in terms of his body. He's a little small height-wise, but it doesn't seem to be much of an issue because he plays big - his rebounding numbers bear that out.

In sum, in many ways, he's like Jeremy Lamb, and I'd like to have a discussion as to who people would pick, if it came down to Jeremy Lamb or Bradley Beal, as the two best choices on the board when we pick.

[fredericklove]

But you don't want to let it drop you like the drama your still wounded from some
cheap shots from the beginning.



My opinion lines up with the majority of scouts and webistes on the net do you think I
care about someone who watches a few quarters on an illegal stream on a computer thinks?

I wanna drop it too but you're being even more ignorant than never again at its peak, no scouts and websites say he disappears in long stretches, idk where you got ur crap from and what u really smoking even worst to at this point? Saying I only watch a few quarters in illegal stream? Ask anyone here that I was always constantly involved with the gameplay thread of UNC game after game this season, need magnify glass? Go back from part 1 till 6, who's always there every game play. Stop being ignorant and get your facts right, again only a few quarters? don't make me laugh, child, as you accused me of being one. Like grow up with your come back for god's sake.

[Undefeated]

I haven't watched much of him but saw 3-4 games of beal in entire season, in last few games why was he playing PF like some of y'all mentioned during gameplay here? And how's his dribble-drive btw? I know he picks his spot to drive, but in 1 or 2 games he didn't utilize dribble drive much but against kentucky he has, it's not demar-ish rite? Does it have first-step explosive, or uses hesitation well?

I didn't watch the game against Georgia on Saturday, but I think Beal played PF tonight because Vanderbilt went into a zone defense during the last 7 minutes of the game, and since Florida needed to score trailing by 5 or 7 points, they decided to rely on their outside shooting, their bread-and-butter, from all 5 of their players with Walker, Boynton, Rosario, Beal and Murphy on the floor. Commentators said Florida really think they can beat their opponent with their shooting, so maybe that's why Beal played PF because of his rebounding while providing the shooting stroke at the same time.

Beal has a good dribble-drive game, but doesn't use it often because of Boynton and Walker handling the ball majority of the time. He's mostly used a weakside shooter off of ball movement or kick-outs from Boynton. To make it easier, I think Beal is a better ball-handler than Lamb since he can do a lot of moves to beat his defender one-on-one with the ball in his hands. Lamb has a tighter handle, so he's more smooth going side-to-side. But besides a crossover, Lamb doesn't have much else. This is where Beal's hesitation and first step comes into play. He doesn't have a triple-threat set-up like Barnes, rather he'll just dribble for a few seconds to read the defenders and uses a quick burst of speed to get in the lane where he'll usually pull an inside-out dribble with excellent curve on the dribble.

[highness]

LOL @ frederlove and Waylon still going at it. It's literally been all day

[fredericklove]

LOL @ frederlove and Waylon still going at it. It's literally been all day

Yeah true, I had to deal with his ignorant crap all day.

[fredericklove]

Beal has a good dribble-drive game, but doesn't use it often because of Boynton and Walker handling the ball majority of the time. He's mostly used a weakside shooter off of ball movement or kick-outs from Boynton. To make it easier, I think Beal is a better ball-handler than Lamb since he can do a lot of moves to beat his defender one-on-one with the ball in his hands. Lamb has a tighter handle, so he's more smooth going side-to-side. But besides a crossover, Lamb doesn't have much else. This is where Beal's hesitation and first step comes into play. He doesn't have a triple-threat set-up like Barnes, rather he'll just dribble for a few seconds to read the defenders and uses a quick burst of speed to get in the lane where he'll usually pull an inside-out dribble with excellent curve on the dribble.

I see, that's why he's playing PF with that lineup,... what beal does is sort of what dwade tends to do in the game? catches the ball, then burst when there's opening, I think with that said, if we end up with one of those two, I wonder how its gonna change our offense. With Lamb, its almost like we have to use him as a brandon roy iso kind of offense, with beal the system's pick and roll/screen is perfect fit for him.

As far as his drives go - once Beal sees a lane to the basket, he's gone. He'll use his decent 1st step and try to beat his man to the rim. Unlike DeMar, Beal does show a developing crossover dribble. I mean, I've seen him go to a crossover, which is the good thing, something DeMar obviously doesn't have, or does have, but lacks confidence in using it. He doesn't appear to have any trouble getting into the painted area, but I have to say, finishing at the rim may be a concern at the NBA level, so he'd need to develop a mid-range pullup, like Jeremy Lamb has in his arsenal, but you know, I do like how he picks his spots, and is aggressive in taking it to the rim, looking to draw contact.

I like him as a prospect, it's easy to see what kind of player he could be, and/or what he has to develop. He's got a definable base - he can handle it, he can shoot it, he's got an NBA frame in terms of his body. He's a little small height-wise, but it doesn't seem to be much of an issue because he plays big - his rebounding numbers bear that out.

In sum, in many ways, he's like Jeremy Lamb, and I'd like to have a discussion as to who people would pick, if it came down to Jeremy Lamb or Bradley Beal, as the two best choices on the board when we pick.

Finishing at the rim can be concern, but it sounds like he's got a built frame to begin with, so I hope with added strength he can absorb contact better, love it when he plays bigger than his size, that's the thing that gets me sold on him, along w/ his other abilities.

I'm happy with whoever ends up in our pick. I wonder how the Chandler deal is gonna work, if it happens, I'm gonna take a deeper look at these two even tho i've seen enough of Lamb already but equally impressed by Beal's game.

[S.W.A.N]

Is it sad that I want to win more games and just draft Kendall Marshall then let him spend a year backing up Calderon ?

[Waylon Mercy]

LOL @ frederlove and Waylon still going at it. It's literally been all day

Frederick showing no love... I was gone for 8 hours and come back and him and another
dude are still talking about me instead of the draft smh

Hes as sensitive as tissue paper... I've tried getting him back on track with draft talk
and he keeps on going on and on like a broken record about this nonsense.

The guy cheap shots me I cheap shot him back my cheap shots wounded him and I
think he wants me to apologize for defending myself lol....

Some people like to give it but can't take it back

[Tough Tony D]

1 of you 2 should stop responding, cause if you keep responding and baiting the other one, it will never stop. Its all based on non sense anyway. Fredlove really likes Barnes, and why shouldnt he? And he does point out when he plays poorly and points out his flaws too.

exemple of his constructive criticism he can make

Barnes' got great body but I'd like to see more from him defensively. MKG is the better defender IMO.

Barnes' footwork is solid, and got long arms to bother the defender, these are his traits on d...man to man d is solid but sometimes I question his weakside D. I've seen a couple of weakside block shot here and there but he just focuses too much on his own defender while neglect other guys.

MKG is just ...insane. Superb man-to-man defender, so quick to the help d...his defensive IQ is just off the chart.