Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread

[nate33]

Meh.. I'm not sure what Wiz think they'll be getting for Oak's expiring deal but unless it's a pick (highly unlikely, can't see anyone dealing a pick for Oak at that salary) the Bargnani is going to be right around what they can expect for him. I can't see any team trading for Nene without some kind of incentive coming with him. Either way, Bargs is a good fit for that team and I wouldn't be surprised to see him go there. Houston would be great too IF they actually land Howard.

Okafor is a much better player than Bargnani and is on a shorter contract. Why on Earth would Washington make that trade straight up?

You guys need to come to grips with the fact that you will not get anything valuable for Bargnani. Nobody wants him. You might conceivably be able to flip him for a terrible player with a shorter contract, or for a better player with a worse contract, but you will not get an above-average starting big like Okafor. That's just silly.

[Dalek]

I am curious to see if we trade Lowry for a draft pick whether we could get in the lottery. I'd like to get Trey Burke.

[Hassassin]

Meh.. I'm not sure what Wiz think they'll be getting for Oak's expiring deal but unless it's a pick (highly unlikely, can't see anyone dealing a pick for Oak at that salary) the Bargnani is going to be right around what they can expect for him. I can't see any team trading for Nene without some kind of incentive coming with him. Either way, Bargs is a good fit for that team and I wouldn't be surprised to see him go there. Houston would be great too IF they actually land Howard.

Okafor is a much better player than Bargnani and is on a shorter contract. Why on Earth would Washington make that trade straight up?

You guys need to come to grips with the fact that you will not get anything valuable for Bargnani. Nobody wants him. You might conceivably be able to flip him for a terrible player with a shorter contract, or for a better player with a worse contract, but you will not get an above-average starting big like Okafor. That's just silly.

Under normal circumstances, you would be right. Washington has no reason to do that trade other than getting a stretch-4 like Beal and Wall wanted. But you guys have this guy running your team (until end of 2013-14 anyways), which significantly increases the likelihood of it happening

[T-d0t]

Found this on the Knicks board.......

Bargnani?

Unread postby GettinitDone on Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:23 am
Ujiri is already shopping him.

Should we trade Tyson for him + pick? They really wanna dump him so bad, any player they get in return would be deemed as upgrade. They may even add a first round pick if it means getting rid of him... if we give them Tyson, maybe even unprotected first round pick (next year)?

I look at this that Tyson was bad this year... he was bad at the things he was supposed to be good at (rebounding, blocking), and he remained bad at the things he was bad at (scoring).

At least Bargnani, in his worst shooting season, still put up 12.7ppg. It's one thing he does well. Tyson in comparison does not do any thing well. One of the last few games, Bargs put up 26pts (5-7 3PT). This kid can shoot. Maybe he needs a bonafide scorer like Melo alongside him instead of being the primary option?


I'D take Tyson for Bargs+ pick, better than what we will get for Bargs by a long shot. agree?

[HolyMage110]

Found this on the Knicks board.......

Bargnani?

Unread postby GettinitDone on Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:23 am
Ujiri is already shopping him.

Should we trade Tyson for him + pick? They really wanna dump him so bad, any player they get in return would be deemed as upgrade. They may even add a first round pick if it means getting rid of him... if we give them Tyson, maybe even unprotected first round pick (next year)?

I look at this that Tyson was bad this year... he was bad at the things he was supposed to be good at (rebounding, blocking), and he remained bad at the things he was bad at (scoring).

At least Bargnani, in his worst shooting season, still put up 12.7ppg. It's one thing he does well. Tyson in comparison does not do any thing well. One of the last few games, Bargs put up 26pts (5-7 3PT). This kid can shoot. Maybe he needs a bonafide scorer like Melo alongside him instead of being the primary option?


I'D take Tyson for Bargs+ pick, better than what we will get for Bargs by a long shot. agree?

I'd do it minus the pick. I think Bargs for Chandler + pick is better. Bargs fits they're system much better and could be the player they need. I'm sure the knicks wont mind giving us a pick ;D

[Hassassin]

Don't see the Knicks giving up a pick plus Tyson Chandler for Bargnani. But I could see them doing Camby, Novak and their 2013 first for Bargnani. Melo said he wanted another scorer on the team.

[Rapsfan07]

Don't see the Knicks giving up a pick plus Tyson Chandler for Bargnani. But I could see them doing Camby, Novak and their 2013 first for Bargnani. Melo said he wanted another scorer on the team.

That's a good depth trade for us, I'd pull the trigger. Except I think the Knicks owe all their tradeable firsts to Denver in that Melo deal.

[Rapsfan07]

Meh.. I'm not sure what Wiz think they'll be getting for Oak's expiring deal but unless it's a pick (highly unlikely, can't see anyone dealing a pick for Oak at that salary) the Bargnani is going to be right around what they can expect for him. I can't see any team trading for Nene without some kind of incentive coming with him. Either way, Bargs is a good fit for that team and I wouldn't be surprised to see him go there. Houston would be great too IF they actually land Howard.

Okafor is a much better player than Bargnani and is on a shorter contract. Why on Earth would Washington make that trade straight up?

You guys need to come to grips with the fact that you will not get anything valuable for Bargnani. Nobody wants him. You might conceivably be able to flip him for a terrible player with a shorter contract, or for a better player with a worse contract, but you will not get an above-average starting big like Okafor. That's just silly.

You're right. Oak is much better. But Bargnani is not so bad that we should be moving him for Nene.

So all I have to say to Washington is it's Ariza + incentive or Oak straight up it no deal.

[Hassassin]

Don't see the Knicks giving up a pick plus Tyson Chandler for Bargnani. But I could see them doing Camby, Novak and their 2013 first for Bargnani. Melo said he wanted another scorer on the team.

That's a good depth trade for us, I'd pull the trigger. Except I think the Knicks owe all their tradeable firsts to Denver in that Melo deal.

Hmm.. the Knicks owe the Nuggets their 2014 1st and their 2016 1st. But you can't be without a 1st in consecutive drafts.

[Rapsfan07]

Don't see the Knicks giving up a pick plus Tyson Chandler for Bargnani. But I could see them doing Camby, Novak and their 2013 first for Bargnani. Melo said he wanted another scorer on the team.

That's a good depth trade for us, I'd pull the trigger. Except I think the Knicks owe all their tradeable firsts to Denver in that Melo deal.

Hmm.. the Knicks owe the Nuggets their 2014 1st and their 2016 1st. But you can't be without a 1st in consecutive drafts.

Right so unless they acquire another first from somewhere between now and draft day, they can't trade us their first.

BUT they can draft for with their first and deal that player, Camby and Novak to us for Bargnani and it would be legal.

[Hassassin]

That's a good depth trade for us, I'd pull the trigger. Except I think the Knicks owe all their tradeable firsts to Denver in that Melo deal.

Hmm.. the Knicks owe the Nuggets their 2014 1st and their 2016 1st. But you can't be without a 1st in consecutive drafts.

Right so unless they acquire another first from somewhere between now and draft day, they can't trade us their first.

BUT they can draft for with their first and deal that player, Camby and Novak to us for Bargnani and it would be legal.

Yup. That would be a good work around.

[TGW]

The Wizards have ZERO INTEREST in Bargnani. Like absolutely none whatsoever. Maybe after he's amnestied we'd offer him a part of the MLE, but there's no way we'd offer an expiring for him without getting an unprotected #1 in return.

[nate33]

Meh.. I'm not sure what Wiz think they'll be getting for Oak's expiring deal but unless it's a pick (highly unlikely, can't see anyone dealing a pick for Oak at that salary) the Bargnani is going to be right around what they can expect for him. I can't see any team trading for Nene without some kind of incentive coming with him. Either way, Bargs is a good fit for that team and I wouldn't be surprised to see him go there. Houston would be great too IF they actually land Howard.

Okafor is a much better player than Bargnani and is on a shorter contract. Why on Earth would Washington make that trade straight up?

You guys need to come to grips with the fact that you will not get anything valuable for Bargnani. Nobody wants him. You might conceivably be able to flip him for a terrible player with a shorter contract, or for a better player with a worse contract, but you will not get an above-average starting big like Okafor. That's just silly.

You're right. Oak is much better. But Bargnani is not so bad that we should be moving him for Nene.

So all I have to say to Washington is it's Ariza + incentive or Oak straight up it no deal.

Okay then. No deal. No problem.

I'm not even interested in a Nene for Bargnani deal, although at least there is some logic to it.

[LeetGoose]

I posted this in the other thread about Bargnani, but I figured it would be good to post it here too.

How about a move like this with Houston and Orlando?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l8g9k6g

Houston receives: Andrea Bargnani
Toronto receives: Andrew Nicholson
Orlando receives: Thomas Robison, Royce White

Houston can pair Bargnani with Howard potentially. Toronto gets out of Bargnani's contract, and we get a young PF with potential. Orlando receives 2 young PF too add to their young core. Thoughts?

[sweetcity]

Id love Nicholson for Bargs, to me Nicholson is pretty similar to Amir though

[Raps Militia]

Lakers: Bargnani and Asik
Houston: Howard (S&T)
Toronto: Robinson and Blake

[DreamTeam09]

Lakers: Bargnani and Asik
Houston: Howard (S&T)
Toronto: Robinson and Blake

Does the team receiving the player in a SnT have to be under the tax, or both parties. I'm wondering if the Lakers are even allowed to SnT Howard under this new cba.

[mlloyd10]

Bargnani/Ross/2014 1st for #15/Udoh?

[Roland Brice]

Trade 1

To Toronto: Kris Humphries (exp), Thomas Robinson, Marshon Brooks, Tyshawn Taylor
From Toronto: Rudy Gay

Toronto gets rid of Gay's deal, acquire young talent and tank for a top-5 pick in 2014.

To Brooklyn: Rudy Gay
From Brooklyn: Kris Humphries (exp), Marshon Brooks, Tyshawn Taylor, Tornike Shengelia

Brooklyn is all in, they trade guys who don't play for a guy who'd be a regular rotation player in what is becoming a small league.

From Houston: Thomas Robinson
To Houston: Tornike Shengelia

Houston gets rid of Robinson's deal and get back a guy making 400k.

Trade 2

To Toronto: Kendrick Perkins, Thabo Sefolosha (exp), Jeremy Lamb, Hasheem Thabeet, Perry Jones
From Toronto: Kyle Lowry, Amir Johnson, Landry Fields

Toronto's reason's are obvious. The only "bad" deals on the cap after this are DeRozan, Perkins and Bargnani (who will likely be amnestied).

To OKC: Kyle Lowry, Amir Johnson, Landry Fields
From OKC: Kendrick Perkins, Thabo Sefolosha [Bought out (exp)], Jeremy Lamb, Hasheem Thabeet, Perry Jones

OKC trades a lot of their young talent, but they get a very good return. The only rotation players they deal are Sefolosha and the useless Perkins.

Hinrich/Taylor
DeRozan/Ross/Lamb
Brooks/Lamb
Robinson/Jones/Humphries
Valanciunas/Perkins/Thabeet

It's a very young team. DeRozan can be the main guy and essentially raise his value to the point where he's an asset in a trade. But we'll REALLY suck next year while we see if there are any gems on the team. Then we get another top-5 pick in all likelihood and draft one of Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Harrison, Seldon, Smart, etc.

[witnessraps]

Trade 1

To Toronto: Kris Humphries (exp), Thomas Robinson, Marshon Brooks, Tyshawn Taylor
From Toronto: Rudy Gay

Toronto gets rid of Gay's deal, acquire young talent and tank for a top-5 pick in 2014.

To Brooklyn: Rudy Gay
From Brooklyn: Kris Humphries (exp), Marshon Brooks, Tyshawn Taylor, Tornike Shengelia

Brooklyn is all in, they trade guys who don't play for a guy who'd be a regular rotation player in what is becoming a small league.

From Houston: Thomas Robinson
To Houston: Tornike Shengelia

Houston gets rid of Robinson's deal and get back a guy making 400k.

Trade 2

To Toronto: Kendrick Perkins, Thabo Sefolosha (exp), Jeremy Lamb, Hasheem Thabeet, Perry Jones
From Toronto: Kyle Lowry, Amir Johnson, Landry Fields

Toronto's reason's are obvious. The only "bad" deals on the cap after this are DeRozan, Perkins and Bargnani (who will likely be amnestied).

To OKC: Kyle Lowry, Amir Johnson, Landry Fields
From OKC: Kendrick Perkins, Thabo Sefolosha [Bought out (exp)], Jeremy Lamb, Hasheem Thabeet, Perry Jones

OKC trades a lot of their young talent, but they get a very good return. The only rotation players they deal are Sefolosha and the useless Perkins.

Hinrich/Taylor
DeRozan/Ross/Lamb
Brooks/Lamb
Robinson/Jones/Humphries
Valanciunas/Perkins/Thabeet

It's a very young team. DeRozan can be the main guy and essentially raise his value to the point where he's an asset in a trade. But we'll REALLY suck next year while we see if there are any gems on the team. Then we get another top-5 pick in all likelihood and draft one of Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Harrison, Seldon, Smart, etc.

i don't like both these trades but I guess they are a tanker's wet dream