Raps' Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread, Pt. 2

rapsanity · Post #1321 » by **rapsanity** » Sun Aug 4, 2013 4:05 pm

Raptors trade: Kyle Lowry and Quincy Acy

SAC trades: Isaiah Thomas, Luc Mbah a Moute, an unprotected 2014 draft pick

Salted Meat · Post #1322 » by **Salted Meat** » Sun Aug 4, 2013 5:15 pm

Jermaine OBosh wrote:Is there any PG that we can target to sign in next years Free Agency.

Honestly, if Lowry performs well this year, I would have no problem re-signing him to something like 3/$25M

Here's a list of 2014 PG free agents by type:

UFA- Tony Parker, Jameer Nelson, Patty Mills, Aaron Brooks, Ramon Sessions, Kirk Hinrich, Jerryd Bayless, Andre Miller, Rodney Stuckey, Toney Douglas, DJ Augustin, Steve Blake, Luke Ridnour, Ish Smith, Derek Fisher, Ronnie Price

RFA- (Qualifying Offer)- Avery Bradley, Eric Bledsoe, Greivis Vasquez, Isaiah Thomas, Tyshawn Taylor

Player Option- Darren Collison, Nate Robinson, Eric Maynor

I don't see Parker leaving SA, and I'm not really seeing a significant upgrade in the rest of the UFA's. I'd throw some money at Bradley and Bledsoe, depending on how they play this season, but I'd expect other teams to join the bidding on them as well.

Both Collison and Maynor could decline their PO's if they shine in backup minutes this season in order to secure longer deals, but they're not exactly great options to run your point full-time.

Looking at the rest of the free agent crop for 2014, notables include:

SG
(UFA)- Kobe, Thabo Sefolosha, Ray Allen, Jamal Crawford, Ben Gordon, Vince Carter, Keith Bogans, Jodie Meeks, Shannon Brown, Fransisco Garcia, Wes Johnson, Shannon Brown, Will Barton
(RFA)- Gordon Hayward, Evan Turner, Jordan Crawford

SF
(UFA)- Paul Pierce, Danny Granger, Shawn Marion, Luol Deng, Caron Butler, Marvin Williams, Michael Beasley, Trevor Ariza, Mike Miller, John Salmons, Shane Battier, James Jones, Richard Jefferson,
(RFA)- Paul George,

PF
(UFA)- Pau Gasol, Dirk Nowitzki, Elton Brand, Kris Humphries, Jason Smith, Charlie Villanueva, Rashard Lewis, Al-Farouq Aminu, Boris Diaw, DeJuan Blair, Matt Bonner, Kenyon Martin
(RFA)- Greg Monroe, Larry Sanders, Patrick Patterson, Ed Davis, Derrick Favors, Kevin Seraphim, Trevor Booker

C
(UFA)- Andrew Bogut, Marcin Gortat, Emeka Okafor, Spencer Hawes, Andris Biedrins, Nazr Mohammed, Jordan Hill, Ryan Hollins, Sam Dalembert, Jermaine O'Neal
(RFA)- DeMarcus Cousins, Epke Udoh, Gustavo Ayon

OAKLEY_2 · Post #1323 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Sun Aug 4, 2013 8:10 pm

Salted Meat wrote:
Jermaine OBosh wrote:Is there any PG that we can target to sign in next years Free Agency.

Honestly, if Lowry performs well this year, I would have no problem re-signing him to something like 3/$25M

I wouldn't do that. I would indeed sign Julyan Stone to be a combo guard and move Lowry for picks and equivalent expiring salary all the while sliding towards the 2014 lotto. Then we likely see Rudy Gay opt out and we can either move him at the deadline or see if he wants a longer term Toronto deal in the 10 - 12 per range. If we lose one or both of Lowry-RG we know we can replace one of them from next year's draft crop. At least in so far as dismantling team BC is concerned.

LoveMyRaps · Post #1324 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Sun Aug 4, 2013 9:12 pm

rapsanity wrote:Raptors trade: Kyle Lowry and Quincy Acy

SAC trades: Isaiah Thomas, Luc Mbah a Moute, an unprotected 2014 draft pick

LOOOOL Sacramento will die of laughter when they hear that offer..

sweetcity · Post #1325 » by **sweetcity** » Tue Aug 6, 2013 7:11 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
rapsanity wrote:Raptors trade: Kyle Lowry and Quincy Acy

SAC trades: Isaiah Thomas, Luc Mbah a Moute, an unprotected 2014 draft pick

LOOOOL Sacramento will die of laughter when they hear that offer..

why? again outside the top 6 players, the 2014 draft isnt that great

bballsparkin · Post #1326 » by **bballsparkin** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 7:54 am

Umm, because Sacramento tends to draft top 6? Because in deep drafts steals in the top 13 minimum can be had? Because Lowry is soon an unrestricted free agent? Because many of us Raptor fans are willing to gut our team for a chance at two top ten lottery picks? Etc? ...

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #1327 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 2:46 pm

what about this?

To TOR: Kenneth Faried + Evan Fournier
To DEN: Terrence Ross + TOR 14' (top 10 protected) 1st + NYK 16' 1st

Masai goes after 2 guys he had in Denver to round out the roster.

Denver signed Hickson, Mozgov & traded for Arthur so they get picks back for Faried and upgrade on Fournier.

Lowry / Augustin / Buycks
Derozan / Fournier / Fields
Gay / Novak / Daye
Faried / Hansbrough / Acy
Val / Amir / Gray

MNRunLeft · Post #1328 » by **MNRunLeft** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 4:09 pm

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:what about this?

To TOR: Kenneth Faried + Evan Fournier
To DEN: Terrence Ross + TOR 14' (top 10 protected) 1st + NYK 16' 1st

Denver isn't touching this, don't see Denver accepting Ross and TOR pick for Faried OR Fournier for NYK 16' pick, adding it all together just makes it worse. Not even sure Ross should be considered and upgrade over Fournier, Fournier played significantly less mins but was more productive while on the court.

Brettfinch · Post #1329 » by **Brettfinch** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 7:00 pm

Ice102 wrote:
Schroeder/Augustine/Buicks
Barnes/Morrow
Gay/Acy/Novak/Daye
Amir/Hansbrough/Acy
Val/Hayes

That's actually not a bad team and we'd have multiple draft picks and capspace coming up. Plus, we can build the future around Schroeder, Barnes and Val.

Youth and everyone cares about d, and athletic and shooting would take a while for them to merge but once they did and everyone hits potential just nasty. I really like Schroeder like a lot

Marvin Martian · Post #1330 » by **Marvin Martian** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 7:30 pm

Val + Derozan + Ross + bargs picks for Kevin Love.

Lowry
Fields
Gay
Love
Amir

jvuc · Post #1331 » by **jvuc** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 7:31 pm

How likely are these trade inspired by Beasley's troubles (I had to include players to make salaries work), though Kendall Narshall for DJ optional if his upsdie is lacking.

Beasley+Bulter+Brown+Green+Frye+Marshall + picks 2014 and future 1st for Gay+DD+QRich+Daye+Gray+DJ
or

Beasley+Bulter+Brown+Green+Gortat+Marshall + picks 2014 and future 1st? for Gay+DD+QRich+Daye+Gray+DJ

or

Beasley+Bulter+Brown+Marshall + pick 2014 and future for Gay+QRich+Daye+DJ

Gibby · Post #1332 » by **Gibby** » Thu Aug 8, 2013 12:00 am

rapsanity wrote:Raptors trade: Kyle Lowry and Quincy Acy

SAC trades: Isaiah Thomas, Luc Mbah a Moute, an unprotected 2014 draft pick

You think the Kings are going to give up a unprotected 2014 pick for Kyle freakin Lowry?

Ice102 · Post #1333 » by **Ice102** » Thu Aug 8, 2013 1:25 am

Brettfinch wrote:
Ice102 wrote:
Schroeder/Augustine/Buicks
Barnes/Morrow
Gay/Acy/Novak/Daye
Amir/Hansbrough/Acy
Val/Hayes

That's actually not a bad team and we'd have multiple draft picks and capspace coming up. Plus, we can build the future around Schroeder, Barnes and Val.

Youth and everyone cares about d, and athletic and shooting would take a while for them to merge but once they did and everyone hits potential just nasty. I really like Schroeder like a lot

I think Schroeder is going to be terrific. Just a great, old-school point guard with a ton of potential.

A team like that can really compete on all levels and grow to be quite strong.

-Ice

Ice102 · Post #1334 » by **Ice102** » Thu Aug 8, 2013 1:26 am

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:what about this?

To TOR: Kenneth Faried + Evan Fournier
To DEN: Terrence Ross + TOR 14' (top 10 protected) 1st + NYK 16' 1st

Masai goes after 2 guys he had in Denver to round out the roster.

Denver signed Hickson, Mozgov & traded for Arthur so they get picks back for Faried and upgrade on Fournier.

Lowry / Augustin / Buycks
Derozan / Fournier / Fields
Gay / Novak / Daye
Faried / Hansbrough / Acy
Val / Amir / Gray

If DEN agreed to this, then absolutely! But I highly doubt it. Ross isn't valuable right now and they are giving up a lot for picks that aren't exactly tantalizing.

-Ice

iVC15 · Post #1335 » by **iVC15** » Thu Aug 8, 2013 1:48 am

tor trades - amir johnson, novak, 2016 nyk 1st
spurs trade thiago splitter, 2014 1st

would any of yous pull the trigger on that?

bboyskinnylegs · Post #1336 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu Aug 8, 2013 1:52 am

iVC15 wrote:tor trades - amir johnson, novak, 2016 nyk 1st
spurs trade thiago splitter, 2014 1st

would any of yous pull the trigger on that?

Amir is younger, on a better contract, and imo better than Splitter, so I'd pass on this.

sweetcity · Post #1337 » by **sweetcity** » Thu Aug 8, 2013 1:41 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:
iVC15 wrote:tor trades - amir johnson, novak, 2016 nyk 1st
spurs trade thiago splitter, 2014 1st

would any of yous pull the trigger on that?

Amir is younger, on a better contract, and imo better than Splitter, so I'd pass on this.

thats an awful trade!

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #1338 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Thu Aug 8, 2013 3:47 pm

Some blow up ideas

To TOR: MKG + Ben Gordon + DET 14' 1st
To CHA: Gay + Ross

CHA gets Ross and pairs him up with Walker long term.

To TOR: Jennings + Monroe + CV
To DET: Lowry + Gay

Lowry/Stuckey/Gay/Smith/Drummond would be a nice group.

LoveMyRaps · Post #1339 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Thu Aug 8, 2013 4:20 pm

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:Some blow up ideas

To TOR: MKG + Ben Gordon + DET 14' 1st
To CHA: Gay + Ross

CHA gets Ross and pairs him up with Walker long term.

To TOR: Jennings + Monroe + CV
To DET: Lowry + Gay

Lowry/Stuckey/Gay/Smith/Drummond would be a nice group.

Like these proposals the only thing I'd change is how about just..

To TOR: Gordon + DET 14' 1st + POR 14' 1st
To CHA: Gay + OKC 14' 2nd

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #1340 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Thu Aug 8, 2013 4:22 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
Rapsobsessed7 wrote:Some blow up ideas

To TOR: MKG + Ben Gordon + DET 14' 1st
To CHA: Gay + Ross

CHA gets Ross and pairs him up with Walker long term.

To TOR: Jennings + Monroe + CV
To DET: Lowry + Gay

Lowry/Stuckey/Gay/Smith/Drummond would be a nice group.

Like these proposals the only thing I'd change is how about just..

To TOR: Gordon + DET 14' 1st + POR 14' 1st
To CHA: Gay + OKC 14' 2nd

I like getting MKG and he would be the odd man out with Rudy there but I like yours too