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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#1321 » by Thaddy » Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:59 am

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Everyone grows and develops at their own pace. No doubt 18 year old Cissoko is rocking a grown man build.

The whole goal of scouting is projecting what players will be. Coulibaly’s build and athleticism combined with his agility/fluidity are very intriguing to me. He looks like he could be special.

I watch for some really weird things, like how a guy moves or how their shot goes through the net.

I’m high on Cissoko too fwiw.

I can't see why you have Coulibaly over Rupert.

The guys we've seen come out of the NBL have a high degree of success from Giddy, LaMelo, Daniels, etc. There's been some bad players like Ferguson I guess but he was a non factor in that league too.

Rupert's team the Breakers made the finals this year. He was also a rotation player and played pretty well despite a poor offensive package. He would be an instant role player for us because of his defense and he would just need to get a 3Pt shot to be our back up SF.

He transitioned from being a point guard to a wing player so there's creation potential there as well. I'd be interested in seeing how they match up once combine stats come out. Coulibaly might be a benefactor of playing with a generational talent as well.

As of now I'd lean towards the more proven Rupert. He just has less liability that comes with him and we've seen past success with similar prospects from the NBL.


Longer term I see both guys being great defensive players. Coulibaly has a big edge offensively in my opinion.

I get what you’re saying. I’d be happy with either player draft night.

Coulibaly is playing with the best player in that league too. I think that's worth considering.

We generally go for the player we think can be the best after 5 years. In terms of tools that has to be Rupert but he isn't lighting up the NBL which is a bit of a concern.

The safest pick would probably be Cason Wallace. He has the talent to be developed into a Fred replacement if the time comes.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#1322 » by Rapsfan07 » Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:42 pm

I like Cissoko but we don't need anymore super raw prospects that need to develop a jumpshot.

What we need is a guard who can create his own shot, make plays for others, defend, get to the rim and score from all three levels OR a player who is already very close to that.

If we manage to acquire a later first or early second, Cissoko is on my list but as long as we stay in the 10-15 range (which I really hope we do), we should be looking at other players.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#1323 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:06 pm

Our guard depth is so depleted. If Fred struggles, we have nothing. So far he's been playing a lot better.

Imagine having Cason Wallace last night to relief Fred? Running with Trent/Koloko. That's finally a balanced bench unit.
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Post#1324 » by Psubs » Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:07 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:I like Cissoko but we don't need anymore super raw prospects that need to develop a jumpshot.

What we need is a guard who can create his own shot, make plays for others, defend, get to the rim and score from all three levels OR a player who is already very close to that.

If we manage to acquire a later first or early second, Cissoko is on my list but as long as we stay in the 10-15 range (which I really hope we do), we should be looking at other players.


Cissoko is probably the most little bit of everything like a Franz Wagner, in this draft. He already shoots the NBA 3 at 33% at 3.6 attempts per game.

Tankathon has Cissoko back in the 1st round at #28 and Coulibaly at #32

Cissoko
Floor - Boris Diaw
Ceiling - Luol Deng

Coulibaly
Floor - guard version of Bruno
Ceiling - Mikal Bridges

People seem to like Maxwell Lewis, but to me they are easy to find. Just sign Kelly Oubre with the MLE.

Really with Cissoko, he's the 1st European player to join the GLeague Ignite. He could've stayed in Europe and made money there but wanted to challenge former college standouts and journeymen fringe NBA players.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#1325 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:16 pm

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Rapsfan07 wrote:I like Cissoko but we don't need anymore super raw prospects that need to develop a jumpshot.

What we need is a guard who can create his own shot, make plays for others, defend, get to the rim and score from all three levels OR a player who is already very close to that.

If we manage to acquire a later first or early second, Cissoko is on my list but as long as we stay in the 10-15 range (which I really hope we do), we should be looking at other players.


Cissoko is probably the most little bit of everything like a Franz Wagner, in this draft. He already shoots the NBA 3 at 33% at 3.6 attempts per game.

Tankathon has Cissoko back in the 1st round at #28 and Coulibaly at #32

Cissoko
Floor - Boris Diaw
Ceiling - Luol Deng

Coulibaly
Floor - guard version of Bruno
Ceiling - Mikal Bridges

Floor: Boris Diaw?

Do you realize how good Boris Diaw was?
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Post#1326 » by Ell Curry » Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:22 pm

Only watched like 5 minutes of him but Whitehead on Duke certainly looked the part of an NBA wing.

Some other random thoughts:

Kedrian Johnson - WVU, undrafted guy, but looked a possible summer league/G-legaue guy though might have just been on fire. Intriguingly, his FTR is huge and he hit 83% from the line but only 31% from 3 so maybe he just sorta had a cold month but can actually shoot it. If it's true that that 80 3s is just too small a sample size for NBA 3s (and it makes sense it's literally 12 Gary Trent or 9 Van Vleet games) and FT% is more accurate, might be something there, though again he probably just got hot. Good test next round against Alabama's defence.

Filipowski - He didn't move as badly as I thought. Would be a fun bench player for us in the way a Muscala or other stretchy 5 can be useful. Probably goes too high, though.

Nick Smith JR - Not involved in his team's offense? Maybe he falls to us but also maybe Masai passes?
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#1327 » by ATLTimekeeper » Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:26 pm

I'm much more interested in Leonard Miller than Cissoko as project forwards, but there's a poor track record with the Ignite right now. At worst it seems like a place where prospects go to hide.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#1328 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:27 pm

Ell Curry wrote:Only watched like 5 minutes of him but Whitehead on Duke certainly looked the part of an NBA wing.

Some other random thoughts:

Kedrian Johnson - WVU, undrafted guy, but looked a possible summer league/G-legaue guy though might have just been on fire. Intriguingly, his FTR is huge and he hit 83% from the line but only 31% from 3 so maybe he just sorta had a cold month but can actually shoot it. If it's true that that 80 3s is just too small a sample size for NBA 3s (and it makes sense it's literally 12 Gary Trent or 9 Van Vleet games) and FT% is more accurate, might be something there, though again he probably just got hot. Good test next round against Alabama's defence.

Filipowski - He didn't move as badly as I thought. Would be a fun bench player for us in the way a Muscala or other stretchy 5 can be useful. Probably goes too high, though.

Nick Smith JR - Not involved in his team's offense? Maybe he falls to us but also maybe Masai passes?

Get back on the Whitehead train people! Injuries are definitely a concern, but this kid is the closest thing to Tatum in this draft. He’s just a smooth scorer. Jon Scheyer is a good coach but he’s misusing the hell out of Dariq. He’s NOT just a standstill shooter. Give him the ball and let him lead you! Duke is very good though and might actually be the favourite to win the tourney so it’s hard to argue at the moment.
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Post#1329 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:27 pm

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Post#1330 » by Psubs » Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:40 pm

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Ell Curry wrote:Only watched like 5 minutes of him but Whitehead on Duke certainly looked the part of an NBA wing.

Some other random thoughts:

Kedrian Johnson - WVU, undrafted guy, but looked a possible summer league/G-legaue guy though might have just been on fire. Intriguingly, his FTR is huge and he hit 83% from the line but only 31% from 3 so maybe he just sorta had a cold month but can actually shoot it. If it's true that that 80 3s is just too small a sample size for NBA 3s (and it makes sense it's literally 12 Gary Trent or 9 Van Vleet games) and FT% is more accurate, might be something there, though again he probably just got hot. Good test next round against Alabama's defence.

Filipowski - He didn't move as badly as I thought. Would be a fun bench player for us in the way a Muscala or other stretchy 5 can be useful. Probably goes too high, though.

Nick Smith JR - Not involved in his team's offense? Maybe he falls to us but also maybe Masai passes?

Get back on the Whitehead train people! Injuries are definitely a concern, but this kid is the closest thing to Tatum in this draft. He’s just a smooth scorer. Jon Scheyer is a good coach but he’s misusing the hell out of Dariq. He’s NOT just a standstill shooter. Give him the ball and let him lead you! Duke is very good though and might actually be the favourite to win the tourney so it’s hard to argue at the moment.


It looks like there's a bit of weight gain due to injuries. Can he trim down and regain athleticism?
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#1331 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:44 pm

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Ell Curry wrote:Only watched like 5 minutes of him but Whitehead on Duke certainly looked the part of an NBA wing.

Some other random thoughts:

Kedrian Johnson - WVU, undrafted guy, but looked a possible summer league/G-legaue guy though might have just been on fire. Intriguingly, his FTR is huge and he hit 83% from the line but only 31% from 3 so maybe he just sorta had a cold month but can actually shoot it. If it's true that that 80 3s is just too small a sample size for NBA 3s (and it makes sense it's literally 12 Gary Trent or 9 Van Vleet games) and FT% is more accurate, might be something there, though again he probably just got hot. Good test next round against Alabama's defence.

Filipowski - He didn't move as badly as I thought. Would be a fun bench player for us in the way a Muscala or other stretchy 5 can be useful. Probably goes too high, though.

Nick Smith JR - Not involved in his team's offense? Maybe he falls to us but also maybe Masai passes?

Get back on the Whitehead train people! Injuries are definitely a concern, but this kid is the closest thing to Tatum in this draft. He’s just a smooth scorer. Jon Scheyer is a good coach but he’s misusing the hell out of Dariq. He’s NOT just a standstill shooter. Give him the ball and let him lead you! Duke is very good though and might actually be the favourite to win the tourney so it’s hard to argue at the moment.


It looks like there's a bit of weight gain due to injuries. Can he trim down and regain athleticism?

Definitely! He’s 18 years old. At 18 losing weight, especially for an athlete, is as difficult as breathing.
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Post#1332 » by Kevin Willis » Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:46 pm

Ell Curry wrote:Only watched like 5 minutes of him but Whitehead on Duke certainly looked the part of an NBA wing.

Some other random thoughts:

Kedrian Johnson - WVU, undrafted guy, but looked a possible summer league/G-legaue guy though might have just been on fire. Intriguingly, his FTR is huge and he hit 83% from the line but only 31% from 3 so maybe he just sorta had a cold month but can actually shoot it. If it's true that that 80 3s is just too small a sample size for NBA 3s (and it makes sense it's literally 12 Gary Trent or 9 Van Vleet games) and FT% is more accurate, might be something there, though again he probably just got hot. Good test next round against Alabama's defence.

Filipowski - He didn't move as badly as I thought. Would be a fun bench player for us in the way a Muscala or other stretchy 5 can be useful. Probably goes too high, though.

Nick Smith JR - Not involved in his team's offense? Maybe he falls to us but also maybe Masai passes?


Also Lively is a defensive monster.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#1333 » by God Squad » Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:01 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:I like Cissoko but we don't need anymore super raw prospects that need to develop a jumpshot.

What we need is a guard who can create his own shot, make plays for others, defend, get to the rim and score from all three levels OR a player who is already very close to that.

If we manage to acquire a later first or early second, Cissoko is on my list but as long as we stay in the 10-15 range (which I really hope we do), we should be looking at other players.

Who then? No player at 12+ isn't going to have warts or faults. Pretty much all the prospects in our range are either lacking in their offensive package or a turnstile defensively. I personally would lean Wallace( not 100%) if Hendricks is off board. But even he's going to take some work with his offense and running a team properly.
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Post#1334 » by God Squad » Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:04 pm

Ell Curry wrote:Only watched like 5 minutes of him but Whitehead on Duke certainly looked the part of an NBA wing.

Some other random thoughts:

Kedrian Johnson - WVU, undrafted guy, but looked a possible summer league/G-legaue guy though might have just been on fire. Intriguingly, his FTR is huge and he hit 83% from the line but only 31% from 3 so maybe he just sorta had a cold month but can actually shoot it. If it's true that that 80 3s is just too small a sample size for NBA 3s (and it makes sense it's literally 12 Gary Trent or 9 Van Vleet games) and FT% is more accurate, might be something there, though again he probably just got hot. Good test next round against Alabama's defence.

Filipowski - He didn't move as badly as I thought. Would be a fun bench player for us in the way a Muscala or other stretchy 5 can be useful. Probably goes too high, though.

Nick Smith JR - Not involved in his team's offense? Maybe he falls to us but also maybe Masai passes?

lol What? Have you watched Arkansas? He's the main reason they look so lost as a team IMO. NSJ is not good. I don't care what mocks are saying.
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Post#1335 » by ItsDanger » Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:06 pm



Definitely needs better handles. The 3 pt shot looks legit.
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Post#1336 » by Psubs » Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:09 pm

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Definitely needs better handles. The 3 pt shot looks legit.


He seems like Harrison Barnes.
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Post#1337 » by ATLTimekeeper » Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:10 pm

Whitehead might have a small career as a 3&D player. Wouldn't draft him until the 20s. Just not very versatile and there are better shooters to be had.
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Post#1338 » by Psubs » Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:13 pm

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Ell Curry wrote:Only watched like 5 minutes of him but Whitehead on Duke certainly looked the part of an NBA wing.

Some other random thoughts:

Kedrian Johnson - WVU, undrafted guy, but looked a possible summer league/G-legaue guy though might have just been on fire. Intriguingly, his FTR is huge and he hit 83% from the line but only 31% from 3 so maybe he just sorta had a cold month but can actually shoot it. If it's true that that 80 3s is just too small a sample size for NBA 3s (and it makes sense it's literally 12 Gary Trent or 9 Van Vleet games) and FT% is more accurate, might be something there, though again he probably just got hot. Good test next round against Alabama's defence.

Filipowski - He didn't move as badly as I thought. Would be a fun bench player for us in the way a Muscala or other stretchy 5 can be useful. Probably goes too high, though.

Nick Smith JR - Not involved in his team's offense? Maybe he falls to us but also maybe Masai passes?

lol What? Have you watched Arkansas? He's the main reason they look so lost as a team IMO. NSJ is not good. I don't care what mocks are saying.


Dick, Cason, Hendricks, Walker, Cissoko, seem to be the more multi-faceted players that I would want. Most everyone else (outside of Wemby, Brandon Miller and Scoot) can be reproduced by spending the full MLE.
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Post#1339 » by Psubs » Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:17 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:Whitehead might have a small career as a 3&D player. Wouldn't draft him until the 20s. Just not very versatile and there are better shooters to be had.


Are there really better "shooters"? Kid is shooting 40% from 3 and 88% FT's. I see Trey Alexander mocked at #60 on Tankathon...

I think Whitehead will be like AJ Griffin, but could be a better prospect if he can get fit again and avoid future injuries. Looking at Zion. Whitehead still definitely gets picked in the 1st round like Josh Green did.
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Post#1340 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:22 pm

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