2023 Draft Discussion Part III

[NotMyKawhi]

its cason or george

[NotMyKawhi]

I'd trade OG and 13 for 2

[ill-Will03]

I'd trade OG and 13 for 2

But would you trade #2 for OG and 13?

[grant101]

We should consider some undrafted candidates since we really need 3 and defense.

Dmoi Hodge

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Kobe Brown

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I'm all the way sold on D'moi Hodge as an UDFA. He take nothing off the table on either end, and is a rock solid defender (on and off ball). I'd be thrilled to be able to add him to this team

[DG88]

You know who raptor fans wouldn't ve drafted with this same thinking steph who was known purely as a shooter with limited passing and defense, he already has the tools and has showed he can add to his game

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They're games are nothing alike even in college. Hawkins was not the primary ball handler that Steph was. Hawkins is a movement shooter like Richard Hamilton.

https://youtu.be/UNQmZqTDhw4

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[Snowwy]

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I couldn't agree more with this.

If Masai "reached" for Podz at 13 (assuming other names like Walker, Gradey, Hendricks are gone already) I wouldn't even mind. It would only be a "reach" based on media mocks sleeping on him, the numbers+tape suggest otherwise. DaRon Holmes too is another guy I haven't seen mocked higher than the 2nd round that I think is really getting slept on.

Or maybe this could be the first draft since the Bruno pick they use a FRP on a non-NCAA prospect. Cissoko, Leonard Miller, Rupert and even Coulibaly if he stays in this draft all seem like non-NCAA prospects that could intrigue Masai.

Other popular names here that are mocked around pick 13 like Wallace, Whitmore and Black don't seem like the types of players Masai usually targets with FRPs despite having respectable numbers in general.

With Thompson, it is important to .. you know, watch the games .. not some YouTube highlights. With his athletic ability, it is pretty easy to project a star. Have you seen Brandin Podziemski play?

I think the guys you have as going around 13 will be gone by 13, or at least a few of them. Black is a concern for me, he looks exactly like a Raptors draft pick. Tall, good wingspan for guard, not overwhelming though, can't shoot. I hope they don't take him.

I have a lot of interest in Dereck Lively. I have been less active this season in this thread but I haven't noticed as much interest in him, why is that?

[Thaddy]

its cason or george

If he can't be efficient against lesser competition what gives you confidence he can against NBA level athletes? I don't think George has a future on a championship contender. He's still undersized and not very efficient.

This sums up my concern about Hawkins

The only players drafted in the last 15 years with as low of a rebound, steal, and assist rate at his size are John Jenkins and Cameron Thomas. Not exactly beacons of well-rounded play.

https://theboxandone.substack.com/p/jordan-hawkins-2023-nba-draft-scouting

I doubt Dick is available when we pick. I'm pretty cemented in the Cissoko pick but I'm picking up some interest in George. George is the obvious pick in our range similar to how Suggs was. If he can show he's a good shooter in the pre-draft and has a decent wingspan we might go in that direction. However in terms of measurements, size, and skills Cissoko looks like a Raptors pick.

[DreamTeam09]

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I couldn't agree more with this.

If Masai "reached" for Podz at 13 (assuming other names like Walker, Gradey, Hendricks are gone already) I wouldn't even mind. It would only be a "reach" based on media mocks sleeping on him, the numbers+tape suggest otherwise. DaRon Holmes too is another guy I haven't seen mocked higher than the 2nd round that I think is really getting slept on.

Or maybe this could be the first draft since the Bruno pick they use a FRP on a non-NCAA prospect. Cissoko, Leonard Miller, Rupert and even Coulibaly if he stays in this draft all seem like non-NCAA prospects that could intrigue Masai.

Other popular names here that are mocked around pick 13 like Wallace, Whitmore and Black don't seem like the types of players Masai usually targets with FRPs despite having respectable numbers in general.

With Thompson, it is important to .. you know, watch the games .. not some YouTube highlights. With his athletic ability, it is pretty easy to project a star. Have you seen Brandin Podziemski play?

I think the guys you have as going around 13 will be gone by 13, or at least a few of them. Black is a concern for me, he looks exactly like a Raptors draft pick. Tall, good wingspan for guard, not overwhelming though, can't shoot. I hope they don't take him.

I have a lot of interest in Dereck Lively. I have been less active this season in this thread but I haven't noticed as much interest in him, why is that?

We have two pure 5s assuming Jakob is resigned

[Snowwy]

If Masai "reached" for Podz at 13 (assuming other names like Walker, Gradey, Hendricks are gone already) I wouldn't even mind. It would only be a "reach" based on media mocks sleeping on him, the numbers+tape suggest otherwise. DaRon Holmes too is another guy I haven't seen mocked higher than the 2nd round that I think is really getting slept on.

Or maybe this could be the first draft since the Bruno pick they use a FRP on a non-NCAA prospect. Cissoko, Leonard Miller, Rupert and even Coulibaly if he stays in this draft all seem like non-NCAA prospects that could intrigue Masai.

Other popular names here that are mocked around pick 13 like Wallace, Whitmore and Black don't seem like the types of players Masai usually targets with FRPs despite having respectable numbers in general.

With Thompson, it is important to .. you know, watch the games .. not some YouTube highlights. With his athletic ability, it is pretty easy to project a star. Have you seen Brandin Podziemski play?

I think the guys you have as going around 13 will be gone by 13, or at least a few of them. Black is a concern for me, he looks exactly like a Raptors draft pick. Tall, good wingspan for guard, not overwhelming though, can't shoot. I hope they don't take him.

I have a lot of interest in Dereck Lively. I have been less active this season in this thread but I haven't noticed as much interest in him, why is that?

We have two pure 5s assuming Jakob is resigned

Yeah, that is fair, I guess. I don't really rate Koloko has anything about replacement level personally, but I know he has some fans. I think that Lively is a good fit with the team as a potential elite rim protector and maybe Koloko has that ceiling.

[Yallbecrazy]

I'd trade OG and 13 for 2

But would you trade #2 for OG and 13?

I would, but I would throw up at trading #13 and #2 fo OG even though it would never be accepted.

I'm not sold on Scoot, he had all the measurables and talent, but then showed the lack of shooting and defense+ measurable advanced stats... and this article https://deanondraft.substack.com/p/when-draft-consensus-hype-fails-is
seems to say don't draft high RSCI guys that fall, but low RSCI guys that rise. I'm sorry to keep linking Dean, but he's completely anti-media and the last several years has a way better track. record at predicting players.

Guys I like ( in no order, excluding Victor):
B. Miller(not in out range and if we end up top 4 then trade down since I like these others similarly)
Dick
Wallace
Cissoko
Podz
Hendricks

Guys who I'm not sure of but wouldn't mind( and should probably trade down if the above guys are still available):
Scoot
Bufkin
Whitmore
Lively( not a good fit since we have Poeltl and Koloko)
Walker
L. Miller


Guys who I'm also not sure of, but am hesitant:
Black ( like him more than the below)
Sensabaugh
George
Sasser( sorry I put him in this category because of rejected by George and I think he can be a rotational player, but I don't see anything more than that.)

Guys I think should be avoided based on consensus rating:
Hawkins
Thompson twins

Picks to be complete busts despite high draft rankings (always a chance of outlier growth, but they need that to even be rotational players):
Nick Smith
JHS
GG Jackson

[ItsDanger]

Lively is a zero on offense. Should be a Mitch Robinson type, more mobility, better defense, less physical. That's still worth a pick in 25-35 range.

[Yallbecrazy]

Lively is a zero on offense. Should be a Mitch Robinson type, more mobility, better defense, less physical. That's still worth a pick in 25-35 range.

Yes, but he has Gobert level defense already so he will be on the floor and despite showing no indication of providing better offense than Rudy he's still young, so there's always a chance he develops something. A DPOY big man is still worth alot, despite being most likely a complete zero on offense

[ItsDanger]

Lively is a zero on offense. Should be a Mitch Robinson type, more mobility, better defense, less physical. That's still worth a pick in 25-35 range.

Yes, but he has Gobert level defense already so he will be on the floor and despite showing no indication of providing better offense than Rudy he's still young, so there's always a chance he develops something. A DPOY big man is still worth alot, despite being most likely a complete zero on offense

I could see someone reaching for him 16-20 because there is a lack of C's in this draft.

[Yallbecrazy]

Given my above rankings the ideal draft besides winning the lottery is trading down from 13 to ~17 and ~25 and taking Cissoko and Podz. As much as I like Wallace I would take Cissoko and Podz over just Wallace.

If we could somehow trade someone and end up with all 3 that would be incredible, but considering the lack of potential good options I'm totally cool with trading the pick altogether.

I was the guy who wanted Mobley#1 and Sengun #2 ( didn't look at Barnes, just Green and Cade. Also, liked Wagner, unsure if it was more than Cade), as well as Kessler as the best C last year who should win ROY, but won't because voters are dumb.

[Rapsfan07]

Prospects I can see getting drafted below 2.5 DBPM: Sensabaugh, Smith, Hood-Schifino, George, Howard, Hawkins, Murray, GG Jackson, Lewis, Whitehead, Terq Smith, Jalen Wilson, Strawther, Council, Keyontae Johnson, Kobe Brown, Emoni Bates, Tschiebwe, Mo Gueye, Timme, Wong, Hopkins, Kaluma.

So say I'm right and only max 5 prospects will have something resembling a good NBA career out of this list, which ones do we think will make it?

If I had to bet on 5 out of this group it would be George, Hawkins, Lewis, Murray and Johnson. Whitehead has a chance too

Not exactly sure how to define "good" but I do think these guys have a chance to carve out an NBA role

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

its cason or george

If he can't be efficient against lesser competition what gives you confidence he can against NBA level athletes? I don't think George has a future on a championship contender. He's still undersized and not very efficient.

This sums up my concern about Hawkins

The only players drafted in the last 15 years with as low of a rebound, steal, and assist rate at his size are John Jenkins and Cameron Thomas. Not exactly beacons of well-rounded play.

https://theboxandone.substack.com/p/jordan-hawkins-2023-nba-draft-scouting

I doubt Dick is available when we pick. I'm pretty cemented in the Cissoko pick but I'm picking up some interest in George. George is the obvious pick in our range similar to how Suggs was. If he can show he's a good shooter in the pre-draft and has a decent wingspan we might go in that direction. However in terms of measurements, size, and skills Cissoko looks like a Raptors pick.

Supposedly a knock on Cissoko is that he shoots tons of air balls.

You're right, that DOES sound like a Raptors pick.

[mihaic]

Cissoko didn't look special when Ignite played 905, I was at the game. At least I don't recall. Leonard Miller looked like he has potential.

Scoot was good though, I think he will be good in the NBA... but he got himself ejected against 905.

[Bruin]

Can Bufkin play PG? I like his size and build a lot for a PG

He’s a nice 3 level scorer who seems to be a solid passer. Plays defense too

I think he’s my pick as of now

[Thaddy]

Can Bufkin play PG? I like his size and build a lot for a PG

He’s a nice 3 level scorer who seems to be a solid passer. Plays defense too

I think he’s my pick as of now

The problem Bufkin will have is that he isn't a first option anywhere and I have him struggling to find an off ball role player role. We would be better for getting a strong POA defender that can develop into an elite 3pt shooter. This is the primary reason I'm interested in Ryan Rupert. I could see him being the back up SG or SF as soon as next year.

[Bruin]

Can Bufkin play PG? I like his size and build a lot for a PG

He’s a nice 3 level scorer who seems to be a solid passer. Plays defense too

I think he’s my pick as of now

The problem Bufkin will have is that he isn't a first option anywhere and I have him struggling to find an off ball role player role. We would be better for getting a strong POA defender that can develop into an elite 3pt shooter. This is the primary reason I'm interested in Ryan Rupert. I could see him being the back up SG or SF as soon as next year.

That didn’t seem to cause any problems for Poole. I’d rather not spend a lottery pick trying to find a backup. We need to find someone who can become that go to guy for us.

Scottie isn’t the go to scorer type so pairing him with a go to scoring guard seem to be necessary