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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1321 » by Yallbecrazy » Tue May 30, 2023 1:37 am

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WuTang_OG wrote:If we don't get a Scoot or Bufkin, dont know where we going to get guard play next season. FVV @30M seems unlikely with new tax apron


Cason Wallace!!! :nod:


My guard ranks go
Cason then Brandin then Scoot then Sidy... gap...Black I guess, then Kobe I guess. Also, Gabe Vincent is a UFA
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1322 » by gha4life » Tue May 30, 2023 1:45 am

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Idk nothing about Cason intrigues me. He isn't a bonafide PG either so I'd rather get the scoring combo guard that can pass a little than the decent connecting passer that doesn't have that many self creation skills. Maybe I'm missing something there for why he's mocked so high

With Scottie as the "pg" of our future, we don't need a real PG, only a guy that can shoot, put pressure on the rim and make the right play
Jalen hood schifino doesn't get much love ,legit 6"4 and 6"5 in shoes, his physique will translate, hes a gd mix of play making scoring and defense

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1323 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Tue May 30, 2023 1:48 am

gha4life wrote:
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Idk nothing about Cason intrigues me. He isn't a bonafide PG either so I'd rather get the scoring combo guard that can pass a little than the decent connecting passer that doesn't have that many self creation skills. Maybe I'm missing something there for why he's mocked so high

With Scottie as the "pg" of our future, we don't need a real PG, only a guy that can shoot, put pressure on the rim and make the right play
Jalen hood schifino doesn't get much love ,legit 6"4 and 6"5 in shoes, his physique will translate, hes a gd mix of play making scoring and defense

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His shooting splits don't look great and he's not really athletic or quick even with his size. If he isn't a great shooter he's just another Banton imo
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1324 » by gha4life » Tue May 30, 2023 2:11 am

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:
gha4life wrote:
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Idk nothing about Cason intrigues me. He isn't a bonafide PG either so I'd rather get the scoring combo guard that can pass a little than the decent connecting passer that doesn't have that many self creation skills. Maybe I'm missing something there for why he's mocked so high

With Scottie as the "pg" of our future, we don't need a real PG, only a guy that can shoot, put pressure on the rim and make the right play
Jalen hood schifino doesn't get much love ,legit 6"4 and 6"5 in shoes, his physique will translate, hes a gd mix of play making scoring and defense

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His shooting splits don't look great and he's not really athletic or quick even with his size. If he isn't a great shooter he's just another Banton imo
Hes amazing in the pick and roll, has great vision and can make any pass u need from a point guard , he could get any where on the court to get his shot off , he shot 33 or 34% from 3 , comparable to a lot guys ppl are arguing we pick , hes great on defense, and what I like from him is his mid range game , u need guys who are able to get their own shot especially In the midrange when the game is on the line , not a slouch on defense, really won't be surprised if masai picked him

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1325 » by Rapsfan07 » Tue May 30, 2023 2:16 am

WuTang_OG wrote:If we don't get a Scoot or Bufkin, dont know where we going to get guard play next season. FVV @30M seems unlikely with new tax apron


Agreed. I don't see that as a viable option.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1326 » by Yallbecrazy » Tue May 30, 2023 2:28 am

gha4life wrote:
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:
gha4life wrote:Jalen hood schifino doesn't get much love ,legit 6"4 and 6"5 in shoes, his physique will translate, hes a gd mix of play making scoring and defense

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His shooting splits don't look great and he's not really athletic or quick even with his size. If he isn't a great shooter he's just another Banton imo
Hes amazing in the pick and roll, has great vision and can make any pass u need from a point guard , he could get any where on the court to get his shot off , he shot 33 or 34% from 3 , comparable to a lot guys ppl are arguing we pick , hes great on defense, and what I like from him is his mid range game , u need guys who are able to get their own shot especially In the midrange when the game is on the line , not a slouch on defense, really won't be surprised if masai picked him

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1327 » by Rapsfan07 » Tue May 30, 2023 2:33 am

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gha4life wrote:
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:
His shooting splits don't look great and he's not really athletic or quick even with his size. If he isn't a great shooter he's just another Banton imo
Hes amazing in the pick and roll, has great vision and can make any pass u need from a point guard , he could get any where on the court to get his shot off , he shot 33 or 34% from 3 , comparable to a lot guys ppl are arguing we pick , hes great on defense, and what I like from him is his mid range game , u need guys who are able to get their own shot especially In the midrange when the game is on the line , not a slouch on defense, really won't be surprised if masai picked him

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Yeah... Hood-Schifino has such a low BPM that if he managed to stick around after his rookie contract, he would be a outlier of truly epic proportions. Mind you, BPM is not a perfect indicator of NBA success but like... he's not even at 1.

IF everything falls right he MIGHT be a rotation guard but that's a huge if. He's firmly on my personal Do Not Draft list.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1328 » by gha4life » Tue May 30, 2023 2:38 am

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Yallbecrazy wrote:
gha4life wrote:Hes amazing in the pick and roll, has great vision and can make any pass u need from a point guard , he could get any where on the court to get his shot off , he shot 33 or 34% from 3 , comparable to a lot guys ppl are arguing we pick , hes great on defense, and what I like from him is his mid range game , u need guys who are able to get their own shot especially In the midrange when the game is on the line , not a slouch on defense, really won't be surprised if masai picked him

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https://www.tankathon.com/players/jalen-hood-schifino

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Yeah... Hood-Schifino has such a low BPM that if he managed to stick around after his rookie contract, he would be a outlier of truly epic proportions. Mind you, BPM is not a perfect indicator of NBA success but like... he's not even at 1.

IF everything falls right he MIGHT be a rotation guard but that's a huge if. He's firmly on my personal Do Not Draft list.
I don't rely completely on stats to evaluate talent , a lot of it is devoid of context , but I guess we will see , saving all this receipts lol I trust the eye test

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Post#1329 » by Yallbecrazy » Tue May 30, 2023 2:51 am

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Yallbecrazy wrote:
gha4life wrote:Hes amazing in the pick and roll, has great vision and can make any pass u need from a point guard , he could get any where on the court to get his shot off , he shot 33 or 34% from 3 , comparable to a lot guys ppl are arguing we pick , hes great on defense, and what I like from him is his mid range game , u need guys who are able to get their own shot especially In the midrange when the game is on the line , not a slouch on defense, really won't be surprised if masai picked him

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https://www.tankathon.com/players/jalen-hood-schifino

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Yeah... Hood-Schifino has such a low BPM that if he managed to stick around after his rookie contract, he would be a outlier of truly epic proportions. Mind you, BPM is not a perfect indicator of NBA success but like... he's not even at 1.

IF everything falls right he MIGHT be a rotation guard but that's a huge if. He's firmly on my personal Do Not Draft list.


This is a weak draft, normally there are a lot of very productive players so one has to look for the various archetypes of each productive guy they think will translate well, but in this draft they look at guys like JHS, Nick Smith, GG Jackson and there aren't any productive players so they rate these guys as the #1 guy who fits archetype D so he must be worth a top 15 pick when in reality they shouldn't be drafted at all.

In GG Jackson's case they are looking for the guy who is most likely to be Kahwi or Lebron so there's only one 6'7-6'9 guy over 210 lbs who can handle the ball so he's automatically a top 20 guy...even though he'll never be good enough in all probability to even be a rotational G league player.

People are looking for the next Jamal Murray so here's Nick Smith Jr... he fits that archetype. Let's put him in the top 5...oh wait he sucks, how about top 10...oh wait he's really bad at basketball; can't shoot, poor passer, terrible defender, and one of the worst rebounders in all of college basketball...top 20.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1330 » by Yallbecrazy » Tue May 30, 2023 2:53 am

gha4life wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:
Yallbecrazy wrote:
https://www.tankathon.com/players/jalen-hood-schifino

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Yeah... Hood-Schifino has such a low BPM that if he managed to stick around after his rookie contract, he would be a outlier of truly epic proportions. Mind you, BPM is not a perfect indicator of NBA success but like... he's not even at 1.

IF everything falls right he MIGHT be a rotation guard but that's a huge if. He's firmly on my personal Do Not Draft list.
I don't rely completely on stats to evaluate talent , a lot of it is devoid of context , but I guess we will see , saving all this receipts lol I trust the eye test

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Are you a professional scout who has been trained/ been given guidance by others and has decades of experience? If not I suggest to change your tactics.

Here is a guy with Aspergers I think who decided to start trying to scout around a decade ago and trusts numbers a lot more than the eye test (he still uses the eye test a fair amount) and he has been way more successful at predicting NBA success than the other notable scouts like Ford/Vecenie/ random notable internet writer that ranks everyone almost the same as everyone else:

https://deanondraft.substack.com/

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1331 » by Psubs » Tue May 30, 2023 2:59 am

gha4life wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:
Yallbecrazy wrote:
https://www.tankathon.com/players/jalen-hood-schifino

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Yeah... Hood-Schifino has such a low BPM that if he managed to stick around after his rookie contract, he would be a outlier of truly epic proportions. Mind you, BPM is not a perfect indicator of NBA success but like... he's not even at 1.

IF everything falls right he MIGHT be a rotation guard but that's a huge if. He's firmly on my personal Do Not Draft list.
I don't rely completely on stats to evaluate talent , a lot of it is devoid of context , but I guess we will see , saving all this receipts lol I trust the eye test

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So you watched JHS games and you must also love Trayce Jackson-Davis, son of Dale Davis. :nod:

No team should waste a 1st pick on JHS, he's early 2nd round material at best. Amari Bailey, Whitehead, Cissoko and Sasser should be drafted before JHS and Maxell Lewis. I would even think of taking Emoni Bates over those 2, because I think Bates could be a microwave scorer off the bench like a Lou Will or Jamal Crawford.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1332 » by deeps6x » Tue May 30, 2023 3:20 am

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Rapsfan07 wrote:
It makes plenty of sense. If you're high on Alexander, that's fine. Don't gotta be an azzhole because I don't agree with you.

This is my last response to you because you’re absolutely clueless and happy about it. And no, you don’t any make sense, but I wouldn’t expect you to understand why. It’s funny how you’re calling me “goofy” when I haven’t called you any childish names, and then have the audacity to call me an “azzhole”. Again, make it make sense. Nice try avoiding the language filter, but reported.

Do you research next time. Alexander is right up there with Bufkin when it comes to everything except finishing at the rim. It’s arguable who had better teammates to take away from their production more, but Bufkin basically had 2 other pros in Dickinson and Howard, while Alexander was playing off of Kaluma, Kalkbrenner, Nembhard, and Baylor Scheierman.

Alexander was the better shooter statistically. Had better percentages across the board, except for at the rim which was previously mentioned. He’s just as disruptive as a defender, has a better TS%, a better BPM, etc etc. Personally, I’d take Bufkin in the lottery and Alexander in the 20’s because I think the pro game suits Bufkin more, but to say Alexander will be available in the 2nd round is laughably ignorant.
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Well to be fair, he kind of is...usually like that. I mean, look at his signature. Yeah, I said that. I was trying to poke the bear when I said it. But its been SEVEN YEARS and he hasn't let it go.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1333 » by Raptorfan2012 » Tue May 30, 2023 3:24 am

Alright fellow Raptor fans, I don’t have a lot of time to spend on researching the draft. Should I spend more time watching Scoot, Miller, Thompson videos, or Bufkin, Hawkins, Wallace, Bilal vids lol
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1334 » by gha4life » Tue May 30, 2023 3:28 am

Yallbecrazy wrote:
gha4life wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:
Yeah... Hood-Schifino has such a low BPM that if he managed to stick around after his rookie contract, he would be a outlier of truly epic proportions. Mind you, BPM is not a perfect indicator of NBA success but like... he's not even at 1.

IF everything falls right he MIGHT be a rotation guard but that's a huge if. He's firmly on my personal Do Not Draft list.
I don't rely completely on stats to evaluate talent , a lot of it is devoid of context , but I guess we will see , saving all this receipts lol I trust the eye test

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Are you a professional scout who has been trained/ been given guidance by others and has decades of experience? If not I suggest to change your tactics.

Here is a guy with Aspergers I think who decided to start trying to scout around a decade ago and trusts numbers a lot more than the eye test (he still uses the eye test a fair amount) and he has been way more successful at predicting NBA success than the other notable scouts like Ford/Vecenie/ random notable internet writer that ranks everyone almost the same as everyone else:

https://deanondraft.substack.com/

Old site:
https://deanondraft.com/
Prediction of who succeeds in the league is not an exact science, u need to weigh in everything imo , the organization that drafts you and how u are utilized makes a big difference, lot of players careers can get derailed based on where they are taken, i don't even think scottie wins rookie of the year if he wasn't drafted by us , players change teams and all of sudden their careers get resurrected, one thing abt great players is u can tell them when u watch them , no one will tell u their +- but they can see when someone has the talent, just needs the right environment to grow

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1335 » by Yallbecrazy » Tue May 30, 2023 3:29 am

Raptorfan2012 wrote:Alright fellow Raptor fans, I don’t have a lot of time to spend on researching the draft. Should I spend more time watching Scoot, Miller, Thompson videos, or Bufkin, Hawkins, Wallace, Bilal vids lol


Neither, just read through 500 + pages of real gm draft threads.

I say that in jest, but there have actually been a couple discussions that you won't find elsewhere that have been extremely informative sprinkled in somewhere.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1336 » by ItsDanger » Tue May 30, 2023 3:30 am

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Likes Brunson and Jamal Murray styles. Still think he's the guard you got to look closely at. Depending on what happens with roster of course.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1337 » by simple_jack » Tue May 30, 2023 3:30 am

Raptorfan2012 wrote:Alright fellow Raptor fans, I don’t have a lot of time to spend on researching the draft. Should I spend more time watching Scoot, Miller, Thompson videos, or Bufkin, Hawkins, Wallace, Bilal vids lol


Scoot and pray
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1338 » by Yallbecrazy » Tue May 30, 2023 3:33 am

gha4life wrote:
Yallbecrazy wrote:
gha4life wrote:I don't rely completely on stats to evaluate talent , a lot of it is devoid of context , but I guess we will see , saving all this receipts lol I trust the eye test

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Are you a professional scout who has been trained/ been given guidance by others and has decades of experience? If not I suggest to change your tactics.

Here is a guy with Aspergers I think who decided to start trying to scout around a decade ago and trusts numbers a lot more than the eye test (he still uses the eye test a fair amount) and he has been way more successful at predicting NBA success than the other notable scouts like Ford/Vecenie/ random notable internet writer that ranks everyone almost the same as everyone else:

https://deanondraft.substack.com/

Old site:
https://deanondraft.com/
Prediction of who succeeds in the league is not an exact science, u need to weigh in everything imo , the organization that drafts you and how u are utilized makes a big difference, lot of players careers can get derailed based on where they are taken, i don't even think scottie wins rookie of the year if he wasn't drafted by us , players change teams and all of sudden their careers get resurrected, one thing abt great players is u can tell them when u watch them , no one will tell u their +- but they can see when someone has the talent, just needs the right environment to grow

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but numbers predict that stuff better. I'm talking about aggression numbers for guards like oRB% and Free throw rate, or bbiq numbers for bigs like steals and A/T ratio.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1339 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Tue May 30, 2023 3:33 am

Brandin Podziemski reminds me of like Derrick White at 0.85x speed right now.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#1340 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Tue May 30, 2023 3:35 am

Yallbecrazy wrote:
gha4life wrote:
Yallbecrazy wrote:
Are you a professional scout who has been trained/ been given guidance by others and has decades of experience? If not I suggest to change your tactics.

Here is a guy with Aspergers I think who decided to start trying to scout around a decade ago and trusts numbers a lot more than the eye test (he still uses the eye test a fair amount) and he has been way more successful at predicting NBA success than the other notable scouts like Ford/Vecenie/ random notable internet writer that ranks everyone almost the same as everyone else:

https://deanondraft.substack.com/

Old site:
https://deanondraft.com/
Prediction of who succeeds in the league is not an exact science, u need to weigh in everything imo , the organization that drafts you and how u are utilized makes a big difference, lot of players careers can get derailed based on where they are taken, i don't even think scottie wins rookie of the year if he wasn't drafted by us , players change teams and all of sudden their careers get resurrected, one thing abt great players is u can tell them when u watch them , no one will tell u their +- but they can see when someone has the talent, just needs the right environment to grow

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but numbers predict that stuff better. I'm talking about aggression numbers for guards like oRB% and Free throw rate, or bbiq numbers for bigs like steals and A/T ratio.


I went through AST/TO ratio for SFs before and a fair share of the top SFs had 1:1 or worse AST/TO in their college years and were able to improve upon it dramatically as they entered the NBA and developed.

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