With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter!

[MEDIC]

Gradey is going to be a stud, he will surprise a lot of people.He will be more than a specialist.He will also be cheap for the next 2 years.RJ on the other hand makes too much and possibly asks for even more, his skills becomes diminished with B.I on the team, he is a terrible defender, he pushes us to the tax limits.So it would be a very natural and logical move to trade him for say a back up big(position of need) and prolly a late pick as well.This will create balance and flow in more ways than one.

Wrong thread?

[MEDIC]

this is what supreme confidence looks like. At only 20, bravo

I have this weird feeling that is potential is being underrated.

100% agree with you. The kid can do pretty much everything (shoot, handle in tight spaces, pass, play defense). He has no real holes in his game. He competes extremely hard, is a physical.player (even when he is outmatched), has a high motor, very aggressive. He has extreme confidence & doesn't get in his own head after making mistakes. Just keeps competing. He also seems like smart kid, good team guy & very coachable.

What's not to like?

He haa impressed the hell out of me. I didn't expect this at all when he was drafted.

[GLF]

I hope this is a reminder that summer league means nothing. The amount of people on this board who wrote off Ja’Kobe, Snead and Ochai because of **** summer league. And then were praising guys like Carlson lol. They never learn. Summer league will come around again this year and if our draft pick plays bad they’re gonna come on here speaking in absolutes about that player’s future lol

[HangTime]

I hope this is a reminder that summer league means nothing. The amount of people on this board who wrote off Ja’Kobe, Snead and Ochai because of **** summer league. And then were praising guys like Carlson lol. They never learn. Summer league will come around again this year and if our draft pick plays bad they’re gonna come on here speaking in absolutes about that player’s future lol

I feel like most fans just glance, instead of actually watch what's happening.

[mihaic]

I hope this is a reminder that summer league means nothing. The amount of people on this board who wrote off Ja’Kobe, Snead and Ochai because of **** summer league. And then were praising guys like Carlson lol. They never learn. Summer league will come around again this year and if our draft pick plays bad they’re gonna come on here speaking in absolutes about that player’s future lol

"I've seen enough!"

[AkelaLoneWolf]

this is what supreme confidence looks like. At only 20, bravo

I have this weird feeling that is potential is being underrated.

100% agree with you. The kid can do pretty much everything (shoot, handle in tight spaces, pass, play defense). He has no real holes in his game. He competes extremely hard, is a physical.player (even when he is outmatched), has a high motor, very aggressive. He has extreme confidence & doesn't get in his own head after making mistakes. Just keeps competing. He also seems like smart kid, good team guy & very coachable.

What's not to like?

He haa impressed the hell out of me. I didn't expect this at all when he was drafted.

I think he was a bit of an afterthought because he was injured to start the season. Dick was playing well and our SRP players were very impressive right from the start.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

I agree. I just hope if moved we get a similar type upside guy/pick in return. I guess if they don't, they won't move him.

If Ochai starts for better balance, you still end up with Gradey and RJ off the bench which hurts defensively.

And if not, we'll then you have Shead, JKW, Gradey and Ochai off the bench which is small. I could see us lean into the "strong defense" bench and Shead, JKW and Ochai for that. Gradey doesn't. And at that point you need size beside the others. And Gradey doesn't do that either....Mogbo does. Plus Battle can get Gradeys shots for cheaper, and more makes.

Lots of options for MU to figure out. Better than not enough options I guess.

I really feel like now is the time to move DIck, becuase if we come out next year and threaten to secure a legit playoff spot we could be in trouble of Dick not even being in the rotation.

IQ/Shead
Agabji/RJ
Ingram/Battle
Barnes/Mogbo
Poeltl/backup C

And that does not have Walter or Dick in it or our 2025 1st or our early 2025 2nd.

I have more faith in Battle than Dick tbh at this point. What does Dick do better than Battle other than miss higher difficulty shots?

Edit: or you move RJ and hope Dick grows into your bench scorer.

My hesitation with moving Dick would be we'd be selling so low. I still have a feeling he's going to become an elite shooter once his body catches up...

Will he be a positive player on the court? I don't know..

I’d be surprised if any of our young players were traded this offseason unless it’s in a package to get an all star or something.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

this is what supreme confidence looks like. At only 20, bravo

I have this weird feeling that is potential is being underrated.

100% agree with you. The kid can do pretty much everything (shoot, handle in tight spaces, pass, play defense). He has no real holes in his game. He competes extremely hard, is a physical.player (even when he is outmatched), has a high motor, very aggressive. He has extreme confidence & doesn't get in his own head after making mistakes. Just keeps competing. He also seems like smart kid, good team guy & very coachable.

What's not to like?

He haa impressed the hell out of me. I didn't expect this at all when he was drafted.

no holes in his game? sounds like MICHAEL JORDAN!!! omg!!!

[Tripod]

Just think, in the offseason depth...NONE of these guys were expected to play rotational minutes with a healthy lineup.

IQ RJ Gradey Barnes Yak
Mitchell, Ochai, Brown, Boucher, Olynyk

[Thaddy]

We should continue starting him and featuring him as an isolation scorer with the bench. The Raptors must tank harder and match the same energy as the Jazz on that front.

[HangTime]

We should continue starting him and featuring him as an isolation scorer with the bench. The Raptors must tank harder and match the same energy as the Jazz on that front.

Would you be upset if he thrives, and we win?

He's named after Jordan and Kobe, and his last name is the first of another hall of famer, Ray Allen.
The NBA's holy trinity of NBA SGs

An interesting nickname would be Jesus Shuttlesworth Jr.

[Thaddy]

We should continue starting him and featuring him as an isolation scorer with the bench. The Raptors must tank harder and match the same energy as the Jazz on that front.

Would you be upset if he thrives, and we win?

He's named after Jordan and Kobe, and his last name is the first of another hall of famer, Ray Allen.
The NBA's holy trinity of NBA SGs

An interesting nickname would be Jesus Shuttlesworth Jr.

Jakobe isn't a core level piece and he doesn't have the potential to be one. If he is costing the tank then we should limit his minutes and play Gradey or Agbaji more. Flagg, Harper, or Bailey would alter the trajectory of the Raps by quite a bit.

[bon]

We should continue starting him and featuring him as an isolation scorer with the bench. The Raptors must tank harder and match the same energy as the Jazz on that front.

Would you be upset if he thrives, and we win?

He's named after Jordan and Kobe, and his last name is the first of another hall of famer, Ray Allen.
The NBA's holy trinity of NBA SGs

An interesting nickname would be Jesus Shuttlesworth Jr.

Jakobe isn't a core level piece and he doesn't have the potential to be one. If he is costing the tank then we should limit his minutes and play Gradey or Agbaji more. Flagg, Harper, or Bailey would alter the trajectory of the Raps by quite a bit.

“He’s not good and won’t be good but if he is actually good then limit his development to hopefully get a good rookie next year”

That’s all I heard

[ArthurVandelay]

Just think, in the offseason depth...NONE of these guys were expected to play rotational minutes with a healthy lineup.

IQ RJ Gradey Barnes Yak
Mitchell, Ochai, Brown, Boucher, Olynyk

I appreciate the attempt for optimism

…but I’m not coming off the ledge

[Thaddy]

Would you be upset if he thrives, and we win?

He's named after Jordan and Kobe, and his last name is the first of another hall of famer, Ray Allen.
The NBA's holy trinity of NBA SGs

An interesting nickname would be Jesus Shuttlesworth Jr.

Jakobe isn't a core level piece and he doesn't have the potential to be one. If he is costing the tank then we should limit his minutes and play Gradey or Agbaji more. Flagg, Harper, or Bailey would alter the trajectory of the Raps by quite a bit.

“He’s not good and won’t be good but if he is actually good then limit his development to hopefully get a good rookie next year”

That’s all I heard

You're reading not hearing, but maybe you should try that again.

Walter's scouting report showed it all. He sucked as a creator in college, maybe it was injuries, we have to give him a chance to find out. Then he also had clear athleticism issues. The saving grace was his three point volume and decent percentage. We should be looking to develop him in both areas to see what he has, if he has a good foundation he can probably be developed into a 2 way role playing wing similar to Danny Green. He won't reach that unless he's given minutes and a chance to show out.

Again not a core piece but worthwhile two way starter we should be developing over a guy like GD.

[HumbleRen]

I don’t think I’m as high as him as y’all are in terms of seeing all star upside.

He has clear separation issues on isolation attempts and his leaping ability is very weak for a SG. I think he leads the league in getting blocked on his jumpers too lol.

I think he can be an absolute stud as the 5th guy on a good team though. Play energetic defence, hit some 3’s and cut a lot. The ideal archetype beside our high usage guys. He also has some PNR juice as the ball handler that we should foster.

[original fan]

Gradey is going to be a stud, he will surprise a lot of people.He will be more than a specialist.He will also be cheap for the next 2 years.RJ on the other hand makes too much and possibly asks for even more, his skills becomes diminished with B.I on the team, he is a terrible defender, he pushes us to the tax limits.So it would be a very natural and logical move to trade him for say a back up big(position of need) and prolly a late pick as well.This will create balance and flow in more ways than one.

Wrong thread?

If you take it upon yourself to be policing here, you should at least be consistent and start from the beginning of the thread?

[Psubs]

I don’t think I’m as high as him as y’all are in terms of seeing all star upside.

He has clear separation issues on isolation attempts and his leaping ability is very weak for a SG. I think he leads the league in getting blocked on his jumpers too lol.

I think he can be an absolute stud as the 5th guy on a good team though. Play energetic defence, hit some 3’s and cut a lot. The ideal archetype beside our high usage guys. He also has some PNR juice as the ball handler that we should foster.

Maybe his ceiling is Dejounte Murray that can shoot 3's? Or a poor man's SGA?

[HumbleRen]

I don’t think I’m as high as him as y’all are in terms of seeing all star upside.

He has clear separation issues on isolation attempts and his leaping ability is very weak for a SG. I think he leads the league in getting blocked on his jumpers too lol.

I think he can be an absolute stud as the 5th guy on a good team though. Play energetic defence, hit some 3’s and cut a lot. The ideal archetype beside our high usage guys. He also has some PNR juice as the ball handler that we should foster.

Maybe his ceiling is Dejounte Murray that can shoot 3's? Or a poor man's SGA?

I think he’ll be more so KCP with more on ball juice.

[MEDIC]

I don’t think I’m as high as him as y’all are in terms of seeing all star upside.

He has clear separation issues on isolation attempts and his leaping ability is very weak for a SG. I think he leads the league in getting blocked on his jumpers too lol.

I think he can be an absolute stud as the 5th guy on a good team though. Play energetic defence, hit some 3’s and cut a lot. The ideal archetype beside our high usage guys. He also has some PNR juice as the ball handler that we should foster.

I don't know if allstar is realistic (you never know), but I do see him developing into a 2 way player who could possibly start on a contending team.

If he turns into that, it's a huge W