Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4

Post #1341 » by **Undefeated** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 2:56 am

Watching OKC game, but looks like Quincy Miller is cashing in from downtown.

Rapsfan07 · Post #1342 » by **Rapsfan07** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 2:57 am

can someone tell me how Drummond played? looks like he had a good game...

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #1343 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:01 am

Undefeated wrote:Watching OKC game, but looks like Quincy Miller is cashing in from downtown.

Can you describe what you're seeing in Miller in relation to his pro prospects? I'm not seeing it quite frankly. To me, he looks like Charlie Villanueva (who'd be pretty good if he played with the same activity level as Miller). Who would you compare him to?

StringerBell · Post #1344 » by **StringerBell** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:02 am

fredericklove wrote:
StringerBell wrote:
fredericklove wrote:I had high hopes of PJ3's SF ability, but now it seems like he's more and more of a 4, not a go to guy type of 4 either.

Based on what?

Based on all the games from the entire season. Usually earlier in the game he will be aggressive, then he will go through a long stretch in the 2nd half going "non-existent" mode, watches pierre jackson runs the show in 2nd half, even during crunch time he will absolutely not demand the ball. That's what he's being criticized for. A go to guy should demand the ball in crunch time and not go nonexistent like that.

I don't think that means much in college ball. Especailly on a team like Baylor who likes to put the ball in Jacksons hands at key moments. Regardless, he still can play the 3(can shoot the midrange J, can post up, handle the ball and pass it with the best of them.

fredericklove · Post #1345 » by **fredericklove** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:06 am

Rapsfan07 wrote:PJ III only has 2 rebounds? wow

I know eh, 6'11 and 240 lb and he can't do jack on the board?

StringerBell · Post #1346 » by **StringerBell** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:08 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:
Undefeated wrote:Watching OKC game, but looks like Quincy Miller is cashing in from downtown.

Can you describe what you're seeing in Miller in relation to his pro prospects? I'm not seeing it quite frankly. To me, he looks like Charlie Villanueva (who'd be pretty good if he played with the same activity level as Miller). Who would you compare him to?

Not seeing it either - he needs to polish up his offensive game. I think it'd be best for him and Drummond to stay one more year. Seems to have done wonders for PJ3

Homer Jay · Post #1347 » by **Homer Jay** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:08 am

Rapsfan07 wrote:can someone tell me how Drummond played? looks like he had a good game...

Well here's my opinion, and as Swayze said "Opinions Vary",

Pros - Gets himself open for easy dunks. Powers through guys with ease. Great size even thou he hasn't developed yet. Decent jumping ability. Definitely a force in the paint. Reminds me of a young Amare at times but maybe it's just the propensity for wearing the T under the jersey.

Cons - Useless outside of 5 feet. FT form is atrocious - fouling him is an effective way to stop him, Doesn't pick up the play and tends to stand around waiting for a pass. Provides pretty much no help defense. Georgetown never really ran many plays at him so I can't judge his man to man D. Will need an effective penetrator to play with to score at the NBA level.... something the Raptors currently do not have. In fact this situation here couldn't be worse for him.

fredericklove · Post #1348 » by **fredericklove** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:10 am

Rapsfan07 wrote:can someone tell me how Drummond played? looks like he had a good game...

The most pointless 18 and 7 of his career, j/k but pointless. He scored alot on garbage points, and had 4 wide open dunks. Nothing special, he's not boxing out, being a participant in the paint watching other team getting all the rebound. He didn't have a major defensive impact on the game either, and he's not setting hard picks or hard screens. He could have done so much more to help the team but he's the same old drummond.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1349 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:12 am

StringerBell wrote:
Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:
Undefeated wrote:Watching OKC game, but looks like Quincy Miller is cashing in from downtown.

Can you describe what you're seeing in Miller in relation to his pro prospects? I'm not seeing it quite frankly. To me, he looks like Charlie Villanueva (who'd be pretty good if he played with the same activity level as Miller). Who would you compare him to?

Not seeing it either - he needs to polish up his offensive game. I think it'd be best for him and Drummond to stay one more year. Seems to have done wonders for PJ3

...not sure if serious.

Every heard of LaceDarius Dunn? Yeah, well he did to PJIII what PJIII and Pierre Jackson are doing to Quincy Miller.

fredericklove · Post #1350 » by **fredericklove** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:15 am

StringerBell wrote:
fredericklove wrote:Based on all the games from the entire season. Usually earlier in the game he will be aggressive, then he will go through a long stretch in the 2nd half going "non-existent" mode, watches pierre jackson runs the show in 2nd half, even during crunch time he will absolutely not demand the ball. That's what he's being criticized for. A go to guy should demand the ball in crunch time and not go nonexistent like that.

I don't think that means much in college ball. Especailly on a team like Baylor who likes to put the ball in Jacksons hands at key moments. Regardless, he still can play the 3(can shoot the midrange J, can post up, handle the ball and pass it with the best of them.

It means much if it is about the style of play, whereas those inflated stat from college don't mean much because you won't average the same in the NBA. But the style of play is most important. There will be so many jackson type players in the NBA that will want the ball in their hands (the more talented one), and if PJ3 is on a team with one or two of those, then that's going to be a problem for PJ3. He can do all of those versatile play all he wants but the problem with him is always about his "mentality".

fredericklove · Post #1351 » by **fredericklove** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:18 am

Qmiller needs to stop doing those high school dribble, those are god damn turnover prone moves.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1352 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:23 am

fredericklove wrote:Qmiller needs to stop doing those high school dribble, those are god damn turnover prone moves.

That is something that makes me wonder. Shouldn't his coach have told him that already? Scott Drew seems like a bum of a coach to me.

Rapsfan07 · Post #1353 » by **Rapsfan07** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:23 am

fredericklove wrote:Qmiller needs to stop doing those high school dribble, those are god damn turnover prone moves.

Agreed. He does look comfortable and it seems to flow in his hands but he needs to tighten it up. He's too used to the high school shake and bake stuff. He's been lighting it up from three though.

To the guy who mentioned the CV comparison to Miller is wrong. They don't play alike IMO

Back to Drummond - thanks for the updates people. I was at school so I couldn't watch the game. Based on what I hear though, he REALLY lacks fundamentals.

fredericklove · Post #1354 » by **fredericklove** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:32 am

This is so typical from PJ3 and what I say right? He's nonexistent again in the 2nd half. Not scoring, not REBOUNDING (2 reb?), absolutely done nothing in 2nd half.

Throwback24 · Post #1355 » by **Throwback24** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:34 am

fredericklove wrote:This is so typical from PJ3 and what I say right? He's nonexistent again in the 2nd half. Not scoring, not REBOUNDING (2 reb?), absolutely done nothing in 2nd half.

He was barely noticeable in the first half :-?

The guy just floats in and out of consciousness throughout the game and I don't think that's someone you draft in the top 5.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1356 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:34 am

Quincy with his 4th foul...back to the bench for P**sy Jones III

StringerBell · Post #1357 » by **StringerBell** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:36 am

fredericklove wrote:
It means much if it is about the style of play, whereas those inflated stat from college don't mean much because you won't average the same in the NBA. But the style of play is most important. There will be so many jackson type players in the NBA that will want the ball in their hands (the more talented one), and if PJ3 is on a team with one or two of those, then that's going to be a problem for PJ3. He can do all of those versatile play all he wants but the problem with him is always about his "mentality".

Inflated college stats? College game involves more ball movement, the players average 30mins a game with less possessions than the nba so I don't their stats are inflated. As far as his mentality goes, I think it's more a probuct of Baylors offensive sets than it is him. Yeah he drifts in and out of games but he seems to have a good work ethic(improved game), so a hard nosed nbq head coach can fix that.

fredericklove · Post #1358 » by **fredericklove** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:36 am

Marlo Stanfield wrote:
fredericklove wrote:Qmiller needs to stop doing those high school dribble, those are god damn turnover prone moves.

That is something that makes me wonder. Shouldn't his coach have told him that already? Scott Drew seems like a bum of a coach to me.

Smh about these coaches, they don't tell them to their face "stop doing high schooler dribbles, Quincy!' "box out! BOX OUT! Drummond!" "DEMAND THE BALL PJ3, TAKE OVER THE GAME PJ3!"

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1359 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:39 am

BEEF!

Throwback24 · Post #1360 » by **Throwback24** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:41 am

Anyone see Taj Gibson?

Who do you want the Raptors to draft in the 2012 NBA Draft?