Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

[david5773]

No, he won Exec of the year for a reason.

It's a process.

Thought you would know better DJ Khaled. When you decline, you decline. There's no way back.

[theSkinny]

Nope DK, just me.. theSkinny.

Good question WSS, although you already know the answer...

But we could play this game all day... like, what about if we got Tyson Chandler and Boris Diaw? How would you feel?

Its too grandiose of a question with too many would'a could'a should'a.


I was pissed at BC too in the summer... but now I just think it is what it is. I may as well try and focus on what we have and what is happening RIGHT NOW, finding positives when I see them and leaving all the would'a could'a should'a's out of my mindset.

We have BC right now, what would firing him right now get us? It would get us Ed Stefanski for the rest of the year... ie likely little would change (Ed is not a wheeler and dealer like BC is) then next year we start the whole rebuilding process all over.

BC hates losing, more than all of us combined. My thought is he is waiting till January (like every other team) to see how their roster is looking and then will make a move based on our record to either get us rebuilding assets if we are hopelessly behind the 8ball record wise, or a move for a legit #1 or #2 option if we have a reasonable chance of making the playoffs.

[whysoserious]

No, he won Exec of the year for a reason.

It's a process.

He won it in his first year, what's happened since? 6 more years is not enough time for the process?

[whysoserious]

I was pissed at BC too in the summer... but now I just think it is what it is. I may as well try and focus on what we have and what is happening RIGHT NOW, finding positives when I see them and leaving all the would'a could'a should'a's out of my mindset.

I'm still pissed to an extent. Not because I had high expectations but because BC himself was the one that set the expectations high and failed to deliver. He was the one talking of all this flexibility up to the draft and how we had so many options. It obviously takes another team to work it out but then it comes down to simply keep your mouth shut. Either way, he failed to deliver on what he was talking about.

We have BC right now, what would firing him right now get us? It would get us Ed Stefanski for the rest of the year... ie likely little would change (Ed is not a wheeler and dealer like BC is) then next year we start the whole rebuilding process all over.

BC hates losing, more than all of us combined. My thought is he is waiting till January (like every other team) to see how their roster is looking and then will make a move based on our record to either get us rebuilding assets if we are hopelessly behind the 8ball record wise, or a move for a legit #1 or #2 option if we have a reasonable chance of making the playoffs.

I agree with focusing on what we have. But this is the position MLSE has put this team in. BC is jumping from rebuild to accelerating to rebuild. This is not going to help the team get better. He needs to, or whoever is in charge needs to commit to a vision. That's what scares me about BC continuing on. And you're right that firing just leaves us with all the same people in theorganization who will continue on this path until the off-season when there may be a chance at getting someone with a different vision.

I know we all don't want more losing cause we're sick of it but I don't believe BC ever committed to losing and rebuilding and that has hurt us and put us in this position. He was trying to win at the same time as selling a rebuild and he jumped to accelerate and that's another step back potentially.

[ash_k]

If the Pau-trade goes down and Pau is not flipped to another team/contender to get younger pieces then BC should be fired immediately.

BC and his constant search for "character" guys need to understand people mature; just look at Zach Randolph!
had his issues and eventually outgrew them; and look what he is doing with Memphis.

Michael "B-Easy" Beasley is in the same situation, supremely talented.
you take a chance with this kind of talent, support him (them) and trust your coaching staff to utilize them the best.

[JN]

Can someone please explain to me the reasoning behind posters continuing to say BC generates money for MLSE. I dont get it whatsoever. If MLSE makes money its because there are enough suckers for fans & coporate dollars in this City. I can only assume there you be more money if we had a competant GM

Who knows how accurate the numbers are, but someone posted the profit or loss by year for the Raps, and the Raps, have been more profitable since BC took over as GM. I haven't seen any further break down of what the source of that extra profit is, but that's the claim.

Average USD vs CDN$ (Since 2002) (per OANDA))

2011 0.9888
2010 1.0302
2009 1.1411
2008 1.0660
2007 1.0738
2006 1.1340
2005 1.2111
2004 1.3008
2003 1.4002
2002 1.5696

The CAD has never been close to what it was in 2002-2005 in the BC era. A poor dollar is a significant burden for a USD payroll.




Remember that many of the revenues of this franchise are $CAD based so whether they are presenting the financials (profit) in USD or CAD, there will be a major upswing due to the dollar alone.

[DJ KHALED]

Um you guys do realize that we will be in play for howard, paul, etc in the offseason? all is not lost, i'm confident that BC can once again showcase his gm talents to the league

[McFurious1]

Um you guys do realize that we will be in play for howard, paul, etc in the offseason? all is not lost, i'm confident that BC can once again showcase his gm talents to the league

Not sure if serious

[david5773]

Um you guys do realize that we will be in play for howard, paul, etc in the offseason? all is not lost, i'm confident that BC can once again showcase his gm talents to the league

Get lost DJ Trolled.

[JN]

Raptors Attendance in the last two years was the worst since 1998 (even worse than the Babcock era)

I don't understand the "profitability" comments. I work for a company that is extremely profitable -- it's never about simply being really profitable... its about being more profitable and further driving the value of the company.

in the one area that BC can control the most (ticket revenue) the team is down to its lowest attendance levels in over a decade.

There probably has been some significant growth in the TV properties -- but that is seen by almost all franchises right now as there have been some huge local rights deals recently. And its not like BC is negotiating these deals.

League wide revenues are beyond BC's control.

Main costs are a budget -- which he follows... like most other people in the world can do. Except he wastes a significant portion of his payroll, restricting the team's ability to win short and long term.... which hurts the main thing he can control. Ticket revenue,


The one good thing BC did right when he got here was built up goodwill in the Raptors brand almost immediately during 2007... it lingered for about a year and a half..... and it has now died to the same levels it was before his arrival.

[niQ]

Wow, 90 pages. .any more and we're going to have to start a Should BC be Fired pt 2.

*edit 91.now.

[Dr Octagon]

Wow, 90 pages. .any more and we're going to have to start a Should BC be Fired pt 2.

*edit 91.now.

The more, the merrier.

[Scase]

BC hates losing, more than all of us combined. My thought is he is waiting till January (like every other team) to see how their roster is looking and then will make a move based on our record to either get us rebuilding assets if we are hopelessly behind the 8ball record wise, or a move for a legit #1 or #2 option if we have a reasonable chance of making the playoffs.

Not many people seem to pick up on it but his "hatred for losing" is a detriment. He hates losing so much that he never commits to a real rebuild, this team should have been blown up years ago and wasn't. Right now is a great time to blow it up but he won't. He will do the same thing he does every year, make some panic trade/signing that restores a little faith and cripples the teams future/cap space for the foreseeable future.

This team is likely going to be WAY below .500 by the end of this west coast trip, and I mean worst record in the league bad. Giving us a perfect reason to just blow it up and try to aim for a good pick the next couple years and restart it. Adding decent pieces to the hot garbage mess we currently have is no more than the typical BC Band-Aid we've become accustomed to seeing year after year.

For whatever stupid reason it's the same story every off season, BC thinks we are "just one more key piece away" no matter the team makeup and he makes a move for that one piece that simply improves us from a sub standard excuse for a basketball team to a bottom feeder. Keeping us inline for yet another 7-10th pick, netting us a mediocre player with no real chance of substantially improving this team.

[SDM]

Um you guys do realize that we will be in play for howard, paul, etc in the offseason? all is not lost, i'm confident that BC can once again showcase his gm talents to the league

Not sure if serious

The only Howard Colangelo could get is Mass, as his attorney. And the only Paul he could get is Silas as his new scapegoat coach.

[Haisan]

I wish we could send Colangelo to the D-league for a bit. Let him work on his team-building chops there for a bit and prove he's ready for the big boys.

As Nate Silver said to Bill Simmons last week, $8-10 million contracts for mid-tier talent are what kills a team. Sadly, that's all BC has been signing for years. Get him out of here.

[Snakeyes]

^ Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Inevitable]

I wish we could send Colangelo to the D-league for a bit. Let him work on his team-building chops there for a bit and prove he's ready for the big boys.

As Nate Silver said to Bill Simmons last week, $8-10 million contracts for mid-tier talent are what kills a team. Sadly, that's all BC has been signing for years. Get him out of here.

Great points

[geoffleo]

How does anyone still defend this guy? We should be demanding a public showing of him so we can pelt him with everything we have to shame him.

[lucky777s]

As Nate Silver said to Bill Simmons last week, $8-10 million contracts for mid-tier talent are what kills a team. Sadly, that's all BC has been signing for years. Get him out of here.

BC reads post.

Thinks: Hmmm, they may actually have a point there. These players can't be fully happy and motivated making that kind of money. I need to pay them more. First I will extend Lowry for 15 mill per, then re-sign Jose for 12 mill per, and I need to check with Fruitman on when I can extend Andrea - that is the top priority. And is it too late to increase my offer to DD? I can probably keep Fields at 7 mill per after this slow start to the year.

[two5]

BC is the armpit of GM's. He's the type of guy whose father was very successful and the kid ended up being a failure.