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Re: Summer Runs and Random Player Sightings 

Post#1341 » by Syd-TK3 » Fri Sep 6, 2024 2:39 am

sofargone wrote:

Mogbo is definitely the type of player that will do better with real talent around him.
Happy to see how trigger happy he seems basically gonna have to treat his 3 point growth the same way we did Siakam
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Post#1342 » by youngRAPZ » Fri Sep 6, 2024 3:21 am

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sofargone wrote:

Mogbo is definitely the type of player that will do better with real talent around him.
Happy to see how trigger happy he seems basically gonna have to treat his 3 point growth the same way we did Siakam

Imagine we trade OG and Siakam and then draft the future hybrid of them both. Mogbo develops a handle and finishing game like Siakam and then develops a 3 point shot and Defense of OG. :lol: one can dream.
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Post#1344 » by Tha Cynic » Fri Sep 6, 2024 3:12 pm

Mogbo is Barnes-lite
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Post#1345 » by DreamTeam09 » Fri Sep 6, 2024 4:34 pm

Looks like walking away with Walker Mogbo Chomche & Shead in a weak draft bodes well for the future. If one of them can show something a little earlier that'd be cool. We have 4 more, potentially solid picks over the next 2 years as well. Gotta slowly restock the cupboards
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Post#1346 » by Dalek » Fri Sep 6, 2024 4:56 pm

I just wish Scottie could show a bit more offensive game. Even in these runs he is mainly just passing the ball. I know there aren't a lot of summer time highlights, but even in watching his film the past season he is at his best distributing and not being a scorer.

Can we afford him to be a slightly better Ben Simmons? Am I overreacting or is this what we should expect?

To me, Scottie looks like 20/8/8 type of scorer. Post-NY trade his numbers dipped to 18/7/6 so to think he will have an uptick with the same core is wishful thinking unless Darko force feeds him on offense.

I think that kind of average is way too low for any franchise player and now we are paying him significant money. Something seems off about the strategy given we have guys like Luka, GIannis, Joker, Embiid, Lebron who can average over 30 and do all the distributing you want.
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Post#1347 » by manjusaka » Fri Sep 6, 2024 5:45 pm

Dalek wrote:I just wish Scottie could show a bit more offensive game. Even in these runs he is mainly just passing the ball. I know there aren't a lot of summer time highlights, but even in watching his film the past season he is at his best distributing and not being a scorer.

Can we afford him to be a slightly better Ben Simmons? Am I overreacting or is this what we should expect?

To me, Scottie looks like 20/8/8 type of scorer. Post-NY trade his numbers dipped to 18/7/6 so to think he will have an uptick with the same core is wishful thinking unless Darko force feeds him on offense.

I think that kind of average is way too low for any franchise player and now we are paying him significant money. Something seems off about the strategy given we have guys like Luka, GIannis, Joker, Embiid, Lebron who can average over 30 and do all the distributing you want.


He doesn’t have an iso game like the players you have mentioned. Scoring wise he’s still has a long way to go.
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Post#1348 » by DreamTeam09 » Fri Sep 6, 2024 6:07 pm

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Dalek wrote:I just wish Scottie could show a bit more offensive game. Even in these runs he is mainly just passing the ball. I know there aren't a lot of summer time highlights, but even in watching his film the past season he is at his best distributing and not being a scorer.

Can we afford him to be a slightly better Ben Simmons? Am I overreacting or is this what we should expect?

To me, Scottie looks like 20/8/8 type of scorer. Post-NY trade his numbers dipped to 18/7/6 so to think he will have an uptick with the same core is wishful thinking unless Darko force feeds him on offense.

I think that kind of average is way too low for any franchise player and now we are paying him significant money. Something seems off about the strategy given we have guys like Luka, GIannis, Joker, Embiid, Lebron who can average over 30 and do all the distributing you want.


He doesn’t have an iso game like the players you have mentioned. Scoring wise he’s still has a long way to go.


Or you can look at it as he wasn't billed as a scorer to begin with untill we put him into that position. Yr 4 Giannis was 22 8 5 yr 3 Scottie was 19 8 6. It's going to be a slow burn but he's ahead of schedule in terms of scoring.
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Post#1349 » by RaptorLakerJay » Fri Sep 6, 2024 6:13 pm

Dalek wrote:I just wish Scottie could show a bit more offensive game. Even in these runs he is mainly just passing the ball. I know there aren't a lot of summer time highlights, but even in watching his film the past season he is at his best distributing and not being a scorer.

Can we afford him to be a slightly better Ben Simmons? Am I overreacting or is this what we should expect?

To me, Scottie looks like 20/8/8 type of scorer. Post-NY trade his numbers dipped to 18/7/6 so to think he will have an uptick with the same core is wishful thinking unless Darko force feeds him on offense.

I think that kind of average is way too low for any franchise player and now we are paying him significant money. Something seems off about the strategy given we have guys like Luka, GIannis, Joker, Embiid, Lebron who can average over 30 and do all the distributing you want.


Now what if he's a 20/8/8 1st team All-NBA defensive team and even a DPOY?
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Post#1350 » by MoMan24 » Fri Sep 6, 2024 11:07 pm

Dalek wrote:I just wish Scottie could show a bit more offensive game. Even in these runs he is mainly just passing the ball. I know there aren't a lot of summer time highlights, but even in watching his film the past season he is at his best distributing and not being a scorer.

Can we afford him to be a slightly better Ben Simmons? Am I overreacting or is this what we should expect?

To me, Scottie looks like 20/8/8 type of scorer. Post-NY trade his numbers dipped to 18/7/6 so to think he will have an uptick with the same core is wishful thinking unless Darko force feeds him on offense.

I think that kind of average is way too low for any franchise player and now we are paying him significant money. Something seems off about the strategy given we have guys like Luka, GIannis, Joker, Embiid, Lebron who can average over 30 and do all the distributing you want.

There is no way that in year 3 Scottie averaged 19.9 ppg and you're already capping his ceiling at 20 ppg. Its actually a silly worry when you consider Scottie increased his scoring by about 23% last season, increased his usage by about 22% last season while also having a career high in efficiency in a nightmare transition season. This is factoring in how raw of a scoring skillset he came into the league with. Giannis in his 3rd year averaged 16.9 ppg. I use Giannis as an example because he also had a raw scoring skillset and Giannis will never be the passer/playmaker Scottie is. Guys like Ant, Paolo came into the league further along as scorers but Scottie was much further along as a defender and playmaker. Another point is as rookies Ant and Paolo had a higher usage rate than Scottie did in year 3. Not only were they further ahead as scorers but they were given the keys right away. Scottie right now is a better scorer than he was when he last played an NBA game 100%. He just turned 23. Like Giannis when his skillset continues to improve, he learns to leverage his size and strength better, the spacing around him improves and his confidence goes up this take will look silly.
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Post#1351 » by XTC » Sat Sep 7, 2024 8:35 pm

Dalek wrote:I just wish Scottie could show a bit more offensive game. Even in these runs he is mainly just passing the ball. I know there aren't a lot of summer time highlights, but even in watching his film the past season he is at his best distributing and not being a scorer.

Can we afford him to be a slightly better Ben Simmons? Am I overreacting or is this what we should expect?

To me, Scottie looks like 20/8/8 type of scorer. Post-NY trade his numbers dipped to 18/7/6 so to think he will have an uptick with the same core is wishful thinking unless Darko force feeds him on offense.

I think that kind of average is way too low for any franchise player and now we are paying him significant money. Something seems off about the strategy given we have guys like Luka, GIannis, Joker, Embiid, Lebron who can average over 30 and do all the distributing you want.


I don't think Scottie is going to be an alpha scorer, he's naturally a pass first guy. I think he's going to be a guy who can give you 22/8/8 on a nightly basis with 1.5 steals and 1.5 blocks. He's probably the closest thing to Scottie Pippen the league has seen since... Scottie Pippen. He's a complete unicorn in the sense he does so many things at an elite level.

Thing is IQ and RJ show the ability to take over games, and allow Scottie to be Scottie.
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Post#1352 » by LoveMyRaps » Sat Sep 7, 2024 8:46 pm

Quickley is gonna have a Tyrese Maxey like leap this season.
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Post#1353 » by Vampirate » Sat Sep 7, 2024 8:58 pm

XTC wrote:
Dalek wrote:I just wish Scottie could show a bit more offensive game. Even in these runs he is mainly just passing the ball. I know there aren't a lot of summer time highlights, but even in watching his film the past season he is at his best distributing and not being a scorer.

Can we afford him to be a slightly better Ben Simmons? Am I overreacting or is this what we should expect?

To me, Scottie looks like 20/8/8 type of scorer. Post-NY trade his numbers dipped to 18/7/6 so to think he will have an uptick with the same core is wishful thinking unless Darko force feeds him on offense.

I think that kind of average is way too low for any franchise player and now we are paying him significant money. Something seems off about the strategy given we have guys like Luka, GIannis, Joker, Embiid, Lebron who can average over 30 and do all the distributing you want.


I don't think Scottie is going to be an alpha scorer, he's naturally a pass first guy. I think he's going to be a guy who can give you 22/8/8 on a nightly basis with 1.5 steals and 1.5 blocks. He's probably the closest thing to Scottie Pippen the league has seen since... Scottie Pippen. He's a complete unicorn in the sense he does so many things at an elite level.

Thing is IQ and RJ show the ability to take over games, and allow Scottie to be Scottie.


What ultimately matters is if the game is close and you need to score, will Barnes produce that bucket.

Also being a 22/8/8 player won't matter as much in the playoffs.

For example in 2004 Nash averaged 15.5 points. In the playoffs he averaged 23.9 points.

in 2019 Jokic averaged 19.9 ppg, in the playoffs he averaged 24.4 ppg.

Essentially when push comes to shove, can Barnes take over?
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Post#1354 » by dauv78 » Sat Sep 7, 2024 10:03 pm

XTC wrote:
Dalek wrote:I just wish Scottie could show a bit more offensive game. Even in these runs he is mainly just passing the ball. I know there aren't a lot of summer time highlights, but even in watching his film the past season he is at his best distributing and not being a scorer.

Can we afford him to be a slightly better Ben Simmons? Am I overreacting or is this what we should expect?

To me, Scottie looks like 20/8/8 type of scorer. Post-NY trade his numbers dipped to 18/7/6 so to think he will have an uptick with the same core is wishful thinking unless Darko force feeds him on offense.

I think that kind of average is way too low for any franchise player and now we are paying him significant money. Something seems off about the strategy given we have guys like Luka, GIannis, Joker, Embiid, Lebron who can average over 30 and do all the distributing you want.


I don't think Scottie is going to be an alpha scorer, he's naturally a pass first guy. I think he's going to be a guy who can give you 22/8/8 on a nightly basis with 1.5 steals and 1.5 blocks. He's probably the closest thing to Scottie Pippen the league has seen since... Scottie Pippen. He's a complete unicorn in the sense he does so many things at an elite level.

Thing is IQ and RJ show the ability to take over games, and allow Scottie to be Scottie.


so basically we have to find our Michael Jordan to match with our Pippen, got it, shouldn't be too hard :D :wink: :lol:
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Post#1356 » by dandaman » Sat Sep 7, 2024 11:12 pm

We know he can hit step back 3's but can he get passed his guy and finish at the basket or show some more level of creativity with the ball, he is making 35 mill now he better
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Post#1357 » by MEDIC » Sun Sep 8, 2024 12:04 am

dandaman wrote:We know he can hit step back 3's but can he get passed his guy and finish at the basket or show some more level of creativity with the ball, he is making 35 mill now he better


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Post#1358 » by Tripod » Sun Sep 8, 2024 1:09 am

dauv78 wrote:
XTC wrote:
Dalek wrote:I just wish Scottie could show a bit more offensive game. Even in these runs he is mainly just passing the ball. I know there aren't a lot of summer time highlights, but even in watching his film the past season he is at his best distributing and not being a scorer.

Can we afford him to be a slightly better Ben Simmons? Am I overreacting or is this what we should expect?

To me, Scottie looks like 20/8/8 type of scorer. Post-NY trade his numbers dipped to 18/7/6 so to think he will have an uptick with the same core is wishful thinking unless Darko force feeds him on offense.

I think that kind of average is way too low for any franchise player and now we are paying him significant money. Something seems off about the strategy given we have guys like Luka, GIannis, Joker, Embiid, Lebron who can average over 30 and do all the distributing you want.


I don't think Scottie is going to be an alpha scorer, he's naturally a pass first guy. I think he's going to be a guy who can give you 22/8/8 on a nightly basis with 1.5 steals and 1.5 blocks. He's probably the closest thing to Scottie Pippen the league has seen since... Scottie Pippen. He's a complete unicorn in the sense he does so many things at an elite level.

Thing is IQ and RJ show the ability to take over games, and allow Scottie to be Scottie.


so basically we have to find our Michael Jordan to match with our Pippen, got it, shouldn't be too hard :D :wink: :lol:

Pippen was just as good. Just ask him. Lol
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Post#1359 » by Tripod » Sun Sep 8, 2024 1:10 am

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XTC wrote:
Dalek wrote:I just wish Scottie could show a bit more offensive game. Even in these runs he is mainly just passing the ball. I know there aren't a lot of summer time highlights, but even in watching his film the past season he is at his best distributing and not being a scorer.

Can we afford him to be a slightly better Ben Simmons? Am I overreacting or is this what we should expect?

To me, Scottie looks like 20/8/8 type of scorer. Post-NY trade his numbers dipped to 18/7/6 so to think he will have an uptick with the same core is wishful thinking unless Darko force feeds him on offense.

I think that kind of average is way too low for any franchise player and now we are paying him significant money. Something seems off about the strategy given we have guys like Luka, GIannis, Joker, Embiid, Lebron who can average over 30 and do all the distributing you want.


I don't think Scottie is going to be an alpha scorer, he's naturally a pass first guy. I think he's going to be a guy who can give you 22/8/8 on a nightly basis with 1.5 steals and 1.5 blocks. He's probably the closest thing to Scottie Pippen the league has seen since... Scottie Pippen. He's a complete unicorn in the sense he does so many things at an elite level.

Thing is IQ and RJ show the ability to take over games, and allow Scottie to be Scottie.


What ultimately matters is if the game is close and you need to score, will Barnes produce that bucket.

Also being a 22/8/8 player won't matter as much in the playoffs.

For example in 2004 Nash averaged 15.5 points. In the playoffs he averaged 23.9 points.

in 2019 Jokic averaged 19.9 ppg, in the playoffs he averaged 24.4 ppg.

Essentially when push comes to shove, can Barnes take over?

Barnes 4th Q results show yes he can, most nights.
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Post#1360 » by YoungG » Sun Sep 8, 2024 2:51 am

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