Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II

[Bruin]

Blazers interest in Vanderbilt probably means they gave up on the Race for OG..

or that the race for O.G. hadn't even started yet...

What about Boucher and Flynn for Josh Hart and Greg Brown (expiring)?

Josh Hart is the best player in that deal by a pretty significant margin. Portland wouldn’t touch this

[andyo]

Hi Raptors faithful, Lakers fan here lurking to read about where your team is at.

One thing I've noticed is discussion around NOP trading the Lakers pick swap (often seen it around OG trades). Imo there's no way NO does this until after the lottery, because they simply have no idea where the pick lands and don't have any urgency to win now. They're on a 10 game losing streak and it's perfectly possible that their 13th position goes higher while the Lakers pick drops lower, there's a possibility either pick jumps, etc. Imagine David Griffin trading that only to see that it lands on the first or second pick, and you did it just to upgrade a .500 team on the cusp of the playin.

If that was Masai, what would you think of him?

That's a fair take but on the other hand, I don't think you understand how much raptor fans value OG. We should be building around OG, not trading him. I think FVV and GTJ are our disposable pieces. We should be giving most of Fred and GTJ's shots to OG and Pascal, IMO.

[levon]

Hi Raptors faithful, Lakers fan here lurking to read about where your team is at.

One thing I've noticed is discussion around NOP trading the Lakers pick swap (often seen it around OG trades). Imo there's no way NO does this until after the lottery, because they simply have no idea where the pick lands and don't have any urgency to win now. They're on a 10 game losing streak and it's perfectly possible that their 13th position goes higher while the Lakers pick drops lower, there's a possibility either pick jumps, etc. Imagine David Griffin trading that only to see that it lands on the first or second pick, and you did it just to upgrade a .500 team on the cusp of the playin.

If that was Masai, what would you think of him?

That's a fair take but on the other hand, I don't think you understand how much raptor fans value OG. We should be building around OG, not trading him. I think FVV and GTJ are our disposable pieces. We should be giving most of Fred and GTJ's shots to OG and Pascal, IMO.

You're right to value OG highly. I just don't think Griffin trades a mystery box pick that could be anywhere from #1 to #20 before the trade deadline for OG, and I don't think Masai settles for less from another team given that OG's not even expiring. Neither team has any urgency to do that deal before the deadline.

[Bruin]

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[PhilBlackson]

Hi Raptors faithful, Lakers fan here lurking to read about where your team is at.

One thing I've noticed is discussion around NOP trading the Lakers pick swap (often seen it around OG trades). Imo there's no way NO does this until after the lottery, because they simply have no idea where the pick lands and don't have any urgency to win now. They're on a 10 game losing streak and it's perfectly possible that their 13th position goes higher while the Lakers pick drops lower, there's a possibility either pick jumps, etc. Imagine David Griffin trading that only to see that it lands on the first or second pick, and you did it just to upgrade a .500 team on the cusp of the playin.

If that was Masai, what would you think of him?

That's a fair take but on the other hand, I don't think you understand how much raptor fans value OG. We should be building around OG, not trading him. I think FVV and GTJ are our disposable pieces. We should be giving most of Fred and GTJ's shots to OG and Pascal, IMO.

You're right to value OG highly. I just don't think Griffin trades a mystery box pick that could be anywhere from #1 to #20 before the trade deadline for OG, and I don't think Masai settles for less from another team given that OG's not even expiring. Neither team has any urgency to do that deal before the deadline.

The very simple way around that is to place top 1 or 2 protection on it which is exactly what I think they would (will) do so NOP gets at least a couple Playoff runs out of OG and hopefully helps them creep back up the standings and not waste another season of whatever they're gonna be able to get out of Zion.

I also strongly disagree about the urgency, Raps want to lock in a top 6 or so pick, Pels simply don't know how long Zion will even last in the league but their only realistic chances (pending that jump into the protected top 2) are tied to him and right now the West is wide open. Not to mention the best version you'll see of CJ is NOW and he will only decline with time. There's plenty of reason for both teams to act now, plus NOP preventing MEM from getting him and effectively closing the door on the Pels as contenders pending a fluke into the top 2 which again they'd be protected against.

[Psubs]

or that the race for O.G. hadn't even started yet...

What about Boucher and Flynn for Josh Hart and Greg Brown (expiring)?

Josh Hart is the best player in that deal by a pretty significant margin. Portland wouldn’t touch this

He's having a down year shooting and his role is lessened, so trying to buy low.

[Dalek]

Denver has always wanted OG Anunoby to pair with Jokic since last season and this year rumors have been floated. You look at how good Aaron Gordon has become, OG gives them a real shot a title. Denver has no real draft capital, so it would have to be a deal for players, but luckily Denver has guys on long-term or rookie deals.

Michael Porter Jr.
Bones Hyland
Christian Braun
2029 FRP from Nuggets

OG Anunoby
Gary Trent Jr.

There is a huge risk to take on MPJ at his salary, but when healthy he is an elite scorer and only age 24. Bones Hyland is not the defender Trent is -- not even close, but he is a dynamic scorer. Braun is a really nice two-way prospect to add and the 2029 pick will have value once Jokic is done.

To me this is a no brainer for Denver if they want the title now. Toronto adds some guys to space the floor for Scottie, and can compete now if we retain Siakam.

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[levon]

That's a fair take but on the other hand, I don't think you understand how much raptor fans value OG. We should be building around OG, not trading him. I think FVV and GTJ are our disposable pieces. We should be giving most of Fred and GTJ's shots to OG and Pascal, IMO.

You're right to value OG highly. I just don't think Griffin trades a mystery box pick that could be anywhere from #1 to #20 before the trade deadline for OG, and I don't think Masai settles for less from another team given that OG's not even expiring. Neither team has any urgency to do that deal before the deadline.

The very simple way around that is to place top 1 or 2 protection on it which is exactly what I think they would (will) do so NOP gets at least a couple Playoff runs out of OG and hopefully helps them creep back up the standings and not waste another season of whatever they're gonna be able to get out of Zion.

I also strongly disagree about the urgency, Raps want to lock in a top 6 or so pick, Pels simply don't know how long Zion will even last in the league but their only realistic chances (pending that jump into the protected top 2) are tied to him and right now the West is wide open. Not to mention the best version you'll see of CJ is NOW and he will only decline with time. There's plenty of reason for both teams to act now, plus NOP preventing MEM from getting him and effectively closing the door on the Pels as contenders pending a fluke into the top 2 which again they'd be protected against.

Then that removes incentive from Masai's end. A top 3 protected pick that may very well be in the mid to late teens isn't enough return. Like OG with the Pels plus Zion coming back you would think would drop their pick, and depending on what the Lakers do they might exit the lottery as well. What's the rush to trade OG for that before you know where the pick falls?

You almost need a reverse protection from the Raptors end that says if the pick falls outside the lottery in June, we get OG back

I don't know, I don't see a clear 2-team trade there.

[Fairview4Life]

Need itchy and scratchy to get to the fireworks factory asap. Can't spend another week of work like this.

[Raptors Realtor]

Denver has always wanted OG Anunoby to pair with Jokic since last season and this year rumors have been floated. You look at how good Aaron Gordon has become, OG gives them a real shot a title. Denver has no real draft capital, so it would have to be a deal for players, but luckily Denver has guys on long-term or rookie deals.

Michael Porter Jr.
Bones Hyland
Christian Braun
2029 FRP from Nuggets

OG Anunoby
Gary Trent Jr.

There is a huge risk to take on MPJ at his salary, but when healthy he is an elite scorer and only age 24. Bones Hyland is not the defender Trent is -- not even close, but he is a dynamic scorer. Braun is a really nice two-way prospect to add and the 2029 pick will have value once Jokic is done.

To me this is a no brainer for Denver if they want the title now. Toronto adds some guys to space the floor for Scottie, and can compete now if we retain Siakam.

Nah Porter is injury prone and on a terrible contract, and Bones although offensively intriguing is a nightmare on defense, and there are reports of some character issues.

[PhilBlackson]

You're right to value OG highly. I just don't think Griffin trades a mystery box pick that could be anywhere from #1 to #20 before the trade deadline for OG, and I don't think Masai settles for less from another team given that OG's not even expiring. Neither team has any urgency to do that deal before the deadline.

The very simple way around that is to place top 1 or 2 protection on it which is exactly what I think they would (will) do so NOP gets at least a couple Playoff runs out of OG and hopefully helps them creep back up the standings and not waste another season of whatever they're gonna be able to get out of Zion.

I also strongly disagree about the urgency, Raps want to lock in a top 6 or so pick, Pels simply don't know how long Zion will even last in the league but their only realistic chances (pending that jump into the protected top 2) are tied to him and right now the West is wide open. Not to mention the best version you'll see of CJ is NOW and he will only decline with time. There's plenty of reason for both teams to act now, plus NOP preventing MEM from getting him and effectively closing the door on the Pels as contenders pending a fluke into the top 2 which again they'd be protected against.

Then that removes incentive from Masai's end. A top 3 protected pick that may very well be in the mid to late teens isn't enough return. Like OG with the Pels plus Zion coming back you would think would drop their pick, and depending on what the Lakers do they might exit the lottery as well. What's the rush to trade OG for that before you know where the pick falls?

You almost need a reverse protection from the Raptors end that says if the pick falls outside the lottery in June, we get OG back

I don't know, I don't see a clear 2-team trade there.

No actually it doesn't remove the incentive, quite the opposite because you literally don't know what you're talking about.

If you were a Rap fan you would know Masai very much wanted to trade into the draft (with POR for OG but wanted another pick) in order to get Daniels actually who ofc the Pels have. So that would be his MAIN target (which was reported already that our focus is the young players NOT the picks), the picks and/or other young players (whether that's Murphy, Jones or LAL picks) are the additional upside not the focal point so your whole valuation is off as you're weighting the wrong thing.

Again holding on to OG potentially ruins OUR own draft pick and his value will never be higher than it is in this moment when a team can get a couple of Playoff runs out of him at the minimum vs one. Not to mention the younger players the Raps are targeting can improve over that time where suddenly whichever team may want to take them off the table especially for a shorter contract. When you understand that, you'll understand why now is the time for them to move him.

[dagger]

Hi Raptors faithful, Lakers fan here lurking to read about where your team is at.

One thing I've noticed is discussion around NOP trading the Lakers pick swap (often seen it around OG trades). Imo there's no way NO does this until after the lottery, because they simply have no idea where the pick lands and don't have any urgency to win now. They're on a 10 game losing streak and it's perfectly possible that their 13th position goes higher while the Lakers pick drops lower, there's a possibility either pick jumps, etc. Imagine David Griffin trading that only to see that it lands on the first or second pick, and you did it just to upgrade a .500 team on the cusp of the playin.

If that was Masai, what would you think of him?

That's a fair take but on the other hand, I don't think you understand how much raptor fans value OG. We should be building around OG, not trading him. I think FVV and GTJ are our disposable pieces. We should be giving most of Fred and GTJ's shots to OG and Pascal, IMO.

You're right to value OG highly. I just don't think Griffin trades a mystery box pick that could be anywhere from #1 to #20 before the trade deadline for OG, and I don't think Masai settles for less from another team given that OG's not even expiring. Neither team has any urgency to do that deal before the deadline.

You can add protections to a pick or swap, so the exposure to the mystery box is reduced. I don't think any team with a pick that could end up being #1 or #2 in this draft would trade it without such protection - or in the case of the Lakers pick, additional protection for NO.

[levon]

Probably overstaying my welcome here but if I was Toronto, I'd shed FVV, re-sign GTJ, and I'd hold on to OG+ to buy instead of sell, sort of like the AD deal and their play for Durant last summer. Someone amazing is going to get disgruntled soon, it's the NBA. Luka's already given the Mavs a timeline.

[Godaddycurse]

Denver has always wanted OG Anunoby to pair with Jokic since last season and this year rumors have been floated. You look at how good Aaron Gordon has become, OG gives them a real shot a title. Denver has no real draft capital, so it would have to be a deal for players, but luckily Denver has guys on long-term or rookie deals.

Michael Porter Jr.
Bones Hyland
Christian Braun
2029 FRP from Nuggets

OG Anunoby
Gary Trent Jr.

There is a huge risk to take on MPJ at his salary, but when healthy he is an elite scorer and only age 24. Bones Hyland is not the defender Trent is -- not even close, but he is a dynamic scorer. Braun is a really nice two-way prospect to add and the 2029 pick will have value once Jokic is done.

To me this is a no brainer for Denver if they want the title now. Toronto adds some guys to space the floor for Scottie, and can compete now if we retain Siakam.

Green
Smith
Braun
Hyland
2029 FRP
2026/2028 swap

OG
Flynn
Hermangomez

[dagger]

Denver has always wanted OG Anunoby to pair with Jokic since last season and this year rumors have been floated. You look at how good Aaron Gordon has become, OG gives them a real shot a title. Denver has no real draft capital, so it would have to be a deal for players, but luckily Denver has guys on long-term or rookie deals.

Michael Porter Jr.
Bones Hyland
Christian Braun
2029 FRP from Nuggets

OG Anunoby
Gary Trent Jr.

There is a huge risk to take on MPJ at his salary, but when healthy he is an elite scorer and only age 24. Bones Hyland is not the defender Trent is -- not even close, but he is a dynamic scorer. Braun is a really nice two-way prospect to add and the 2029 pick will have value once Jokic is done.

To me this is a no brainer for Denver if they want the title now. Toronto adds some guys to space the floor for Scottie, and can compete now if we retain Siakam.

Nah Porter is injury prone and on a terrible contract, and Bones although offensively intriguing is a nightmare on defense, and there are reports of some character issues.

I'd say that's a hard no from both side for different reasons. I don't think as much of Porter Jr as some, mainly because I don't like max salary players who are defensive liabilities.

[Raptors Realtor]

Denver has always wanted OG Anunoby to pair with Jokic since last season and this year rumors have been floated. You look at how good Aaron Gordon has become, OG gives them a real shot a title. Denver has no real draft capital, so it would have to be a deal for players, but luckily Denver has guys on long-term or rookie deals.

Michael Porter Jr.
Bones Hyland
Christian Braun
2029 FRP from Nuggets

OG Anunoby
Gary Trent Jr.

There is a huge risk to take on MPJ at his salary, but when healthy he is an elite scorer and only age 24. Bones Hyland is not the defender Trent is -- not even close, but he is a dynamic scorer. Braun is a really nice two-way prospect to add and the 2029 pick will have value once Jokic is done.

To me this is a no brainer for Denver if they want the title now. Toronto adds some guys to space the floor for Scottie, and can compete now if we retain Siakam.

Green
Smith
Braun
Hyland
2029 FRP
2026/2028 swap

OG
Flynn
Hermangomez

[t54zhao]

What kind of picks should we want in this trade

Orlando:
FVV

Toronto:
Suggs
Gary Harris

[ItsDanger]

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When they took Sharpe, I assumed he would be traded. Doesn't match Dame timeline, Simons is blocking him.

[ItsDanger]

Denver has always wanted OG Anunoby to pair with Jokic since last season and this year rumors have been floated. You look at how good Aaron Gordon has become, OG gives them a real shot a title. Denver has no real draft capital, so it would have to be a deal for players, but luckily Denver has guys on long-term or rookie deals.

Michael Porter Jr.
Bones Hyland
Christian Braun
2029 FRP from Nuggets

OG Anunoby
Gary Trent Jr.

There is a huge risk to take on MPJ at his salary, but when healthy he is an elite scorer and only age 24. Bones Hyland is not the defender Trent is -- not even close, but he is a dynamic scorer. Braun is a really nice two-way prospect to add and the 2029 pick will have value once Jokic is done.

To me this is a no brainer for Denver if they want the title now. Toronto adds some guys to space the floor for Scottie, and can compete now if we retain Siakam.

Green
Smith
Braun
Hyland
2029 FRP
2026/2028 swap

OG
Flynn
Hermangomez