Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2

fredericklove · Post #1361 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:25 pm

Jason Kidd is saying wow to Marshall rite now.

fredericklove · Post #1362 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:27 pm

S.W.A.N wrote:
dagger wrote:
baulderdash77 wrote: He has the look of a 1st option much more than anyone else in the draft at this point.

So far this draft isn't exciting me as much as I'd expect, given the hype. It's certainly deeper, but deeper doesn't do a team like ours any good. There is no Top 10 superstar for sure, no griffin or Durant or Carmelo - these guys ate up the NCAA as freshmen, and Griffin as a soph was an absolute no-brainer.

Agreed

At this point its looking like 2 superstar potential guys in Davies and Drummond, not sure fire guys like Durant or Griffin but they both have aspects of their games that will stand out more at the next level...
Drummond just needs to continue to improve as season goes on.

After that it does fall off a bit. Barnes has not stepped his game up, Miller is probably still too close to his injury to show what kind of player he really is, and then there is a whole bunch of tweeners at the top end of this draft as well.

That said, there is a boat load of talent this year and I don't think the normal 5 deep charts apply (percentage of guys that become starters drops rapidly after 5th pick in most drafts)

But it certainly does make me cheer more for wins this year. I think we have too much talent on our roster right now to compete for the top 2 guys and picks 3-10 are somewhat interchangeable at this point.

I really hope one or two of the point guards play their way into our draft range.

I don't see any superstar potential in both ADs but both have high chances to be all stars. While the rest have borderline all star potential.

Dr Positivity · Post #1363 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:56 pm

Lamb and PJIII are the most dynamic talents in the draft, but Anthony Davis would be such a nice pickup for a team who's had defensive issues this long and PJIII would be Bosh and Bargnani like in that regard, so I'd still go Lamb 1st, Davis 2nd, PJIII and Sullinger 3rd and 4th.

Lamb can be a star, he has a SG's Durant like combination of height, shooting and quickness

Post #1364 » by **Alfred** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:02 am

Dr Mufasa wrote:Lamb and PJIII are the most dynamic talents in the draft, but Anthony Davis would be such a nice pickup for a team who's had defensive issues this long and PJIII would be Bosh and Bargnani like in that regard, so I'd still go Lamb 1st, Davis 2nd, PJIII and Sullinger 3rd and 4th.

Lamb can be a star, he has a SG's Durant like combination of height, shooting and quickness

Lamb doesn't really have Durant-like size (he's 6'5'' in shoes), but he does have absurd length -- apparently possessing a 7'4'' wingspan.

I agree on his star potential though. He looks like the most complete wing player to come along in a while.

fredericklove · Post #1365 » by **fredericklove** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:15 am

Zeller destroys his fat opponent lol ...28 pts, 11 of 15 FG.

mappiah19 · Post #1366 » by **mappiah19** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:20 am

Alfred wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:Lamb and PJIII are the most dynamic talents in the draft, but Anthony Davis would be such a nice pickup for a team who's had defensive issues this long and PJIII would be Bosh and Bargnani like in that regard, so I'd still go Lamb 1st, Davis 2nd, PJIII and Sullinger 3rd and 4th.

Lamb can be a star, he has a SG's Durant like combination of height, shooting and quickness

Lamb doesn't really have Durant-like size (he's 6'5'' in shoes), but he does have absurd length -- apparently possessing a 7'4'' wingspan.

I agree on his star potential though. He looks like the most complete wing player to come along in a while.

Agree, Alfred. You see some above average or at best, star potential in him. I don't know why some posters think Lamb is overhyped.

Overall, he doesn't have any glaring weaknesses (like some of the other wing prospects in this draft). And it looks like he has not reached his ceiling yet too.

S.W.A.N · Post #1367 » by **S.W.A.N** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:21 am

fredericklove wrote:
I don't see any superstar potential in both ADs but both have high chances to be all stars. While the rest have borderline all star potential.

I think the AD's hang their hats on defense at the next level.

Elite defenders with good enough athleticism to score at a good clip...

JN · Post #1368 » by JN » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:27 am

Dion Waiters showing why he will be a first rounder at some point. LOL< at everyone who said Syracuse was vulnerable. Hey, Dookie V did you like that 23-0 run. How about you Mike (Louie Anderson) Patrick. Were going to win this, and then kick ass in the ACC next year.

JamesNaismith · Post #1369 » by **JamesNaismith** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:30 am

Perry Jones' mug reminds me of TMac.

Dr Positivity · Post #1370 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:31 am

I think this is an unlucky year for us cause SG and PF are the strong positions and PG and SF are full of average players IMO.

I think we have to prepare ourselves for the possibility of drafting a Thomas Robinson or John Henson just because they're the BPA and we're picking 6 or 7, instead of (IMO) reaching on Barnes or Miller for need, though I do like MKG enough to say that he'd be a solid pick in the top 10

There could be value out there for Ed Davis, who has never struck me as a guy 100% ok with playing long term in Toronto anyways. I believe essentially swapping him for Thomas Robinson would be a nice move, Robinson strikes me as having more offensive upside and he'd be on his rookie deal 2 years earlier...

Post #1371 » by **Undefeated** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:36 am

I just don't see where this best star potential is coming from for Jeremy Lamb. He's more of a solid starter or borderline all-star talent. He doesn't have that innate dominating quality in him where he can simply take over a game whenever he wants. Don't get me wrong, Lamb can score with the best of them, but he seems to be a silent assassin, who will go his own way and at the end of the night he'll put up 20ish points to our amazement.

Post #1372 » by **Undefeated** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:41 am

Dr Mufasa wrote:I think we have to prepare ourselves for the possibility of drafting a Thomas Robinson or John Henson just because they're the BPA and we're picking 6 or 7, instead of (IMO) reaching on Barnes or Miller for need, though I do like MKG enough to say that he'd be a solid pick in the top 10

No way Thomas Robinson or John Henson go top 10. Way too raw, not that talented and low ceiling.

Post #1373 » by **Alfred** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:44 am

I personally wouldn't be surprised if Lamb could eventually play the 3 with his insane length. He'd obviously need to put on some weight, but at 6'5'' I wouldn't call it totally out of the question.

Furthermore, it's not like DeMar is a can't-miss guy at the 2. I was impressed with his improvement last season, but I'm not convinced that he hasn't reached his ceiling yet.

As for Lamb's star potential? When I watch Jeremy Lamb, I see a special player. Shooting, body control, maturity, first step, length. He has a LOT of tools, and doesn't look to have any glaring weaknesses. A more polished Joe Johnson comes to mind, or perhaps Michael Finley.

Post #1374 » by **5DOM** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:51 am

Very good athlete with insane length and decent skill set (shooting + ball handling). He even played a MAJOR role in UCONN winning the championship last season. What's not to like? I think he has a higher potential than DeMar did because of his wingspan, ball handling skills and first step

Post #1375 » by **5DOM** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:58 am

Zeller with 31 points on 15 shots and 10 rebounds. Impressive #s

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #1376 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:04 am

I agree with dagger in the sense that this draft may have been overhyped. Davis and Drummond, while intriguing, just aren't as refined as prospects as you'd like. For example, there are games where Drummond flat out looks like Kwame Brown. There's a lot to like defensively with both Drummond and Davis, but they both have deficiencies that makes me, for one, question what they will be at the next level I.E. I'm not sure if they're stars, all-star, or simply excellent role players, and my thoughts on them are also somewhat altered due to the fact we have Valanciunas, Davis, Johnson, and Bargnani, all of whom are talented in their own right.

Post #1377 » by **Undefeated** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:20 am

I like the comparison of Joe Johnson to Jeremy Lamb. Anyways, his ball-handling skill is decent, nothing nice I'd say. Dribbles the ball kinda high and when he crosses over it's away from his body and exposed.

Post #1378 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:23 am

Kentucky game is hard to watch but Wiltjer looking better. TJones hurt his left hand, has done nothing.

Hendrix · Post #1379 » by **Hendrix** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:24 am

I think I like Lamb.

He's already pretty good, but some strenth would really help take his game to the next level imo. When I see him play there's some things that he does wrong (jumping towards the basket on shots for example), but it seems like those things come from being gangly/weak/akward and what not, and that's easy to fix with some simple exersize/diet. If he's this productive already even while being a stick it says a lot imo.

He kinda reminds me of a longer armed Barbosa.

Post #1380 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:31 am

AD is better than Chattanooga.

Who do you want the Raptors to draft in the 2012 NBA Draft?