Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3

[fredericklove]

I remember Brewer not only being a beast on D but also having a great motor but that was a while ago so its hard to compare.

Anyways, at what point does MKG shoot a good enough pct that teams would no longer want to change his shot?

frederick - sorry about unc today

His motor was good for his game but he wasn't really all around type compared to MKG's ability to do everything, Brewer's more like using his dribbling type tho cos at that time the college broadcasters praised him for his ball handling ability and his crossover ability. MKG doesn't shoot good enough compared to brewer (he was also known for his 3 point shooting)

meh, sh*t happens, I don't think UNC can win the final, I say Kentucky has better shot at it .

[sunny]

I can understand the comparison but not really. The system employed by the two teams is very different so its hard to evaluate how each player would have done in the others shoes. Iggy was a great passer and incredible athlete. He also fit into the Arizona offense much better i'd say.(As in, he ran great screens, made passes, rebounded etc without having the ball in his hands a lot allowing others to score - he didnt know how to shoot at this point). He also made everything he did look effortless except after he got a D rebound, he would run the quickest fast break possible.

How about transition to the pros? I've made a comparison to Iguodala as a best case scenario for Gilchrist, and I think that might be a bit generous. I'm not getting this projection of MKG as a superstar.

I find it very difficult to predict lower-top tiered guys. Iggy had the body to excel in the nba. Everything about his game translated very well IMO.He had elite vision, passing, body/mindset for D, rebounding. Even though he wasn't great at other things, he had enough that could push him to the top in the nba.

On the other hand, I see Gilchrist as being very good at a lot of things. I'm not sure what there is in his game that is truly elite though. Maybe his rebounding, maybe his D, maybe his motor - these all remain possibilities but im really not sure.

[JN]

Brewer as a Senior may have arguably been a better player then MKG. But your comparing Senior vs Frosh. MKG as a senior would be scary.

[fredericklove]

Nash just got blocked big time.

[fredericklove]

As long as you brought it up, let's discuss your track record, shall we.

Nov 20/11

You created a thread on the draft forum entitled Perry Jones vs. Anthony Davis in which you stated that Perry Jones is a once in a decade talent and everyone else that thought Davis was a better talent was being deluded by the media.

Jan 1/12

You created another thread in the draft forum where you list your big board as:

1. Gilchrist
2. Drummond
3. Davis
4. Barnes
5. Perry jones

From this we must surmise at least one of the following:

a) in fact, you believe there are at least 5 once in a decade prospects in this draft (possibly redefining that term)
b) you were wrong about Perry Jones being a a once in a decade player
c) you're making this up as you go along
d) you are an attention seeker that likes to state an opinion different from others, even if later you contradict your own opinion (which you state as fact)

yup, for the d), he goes to cleveland board too, to troll against everyone there on their draft board.

[Marlo Stanfield]

Fran Fraschilla is smitten with Perry Jones.

[Marlo Stanfield]

WTF Roy Williams

[SkywalkerAC]

PJ3 looking pretty tasty. BC likes big athletes at the 3 so i'd think he's scouting him pretty hard.

[Steely Reserve]

My Big Board is how I saw the draft going. Perry had just played below his talent level. The way he's playing now, he's a top 3 pick.

I just want either him or MKG on my Cavs. Can't lose either way.

[Marlo Stanfield]

PJ3 looking pretty tasty. BC likes big athletes at the 3 so i'd think he's scouting him pretty hard.

I know, I'm immature...

[fredericklove]

Lol at Coach Williams telling everyone to get back to the bench before the game ends, good smart decision cos all the crazy fans ran to the court like a bunch of rats. I can't imagine Barnes getting injured on the court by those (Please Use More Appropriate Word) fans.

[Marlo Stanfield]

Lol at Coach Williams telling everyone to get back to the bench before the game ends, good smart decision cos all the crazy fans ran to the court like a bunch of rats. I can't imagine Barnes getting injured on the court by those (Please Use More Appropriate Word) fans.

Way to leave 5 guys out to dry

[CunningLinguist]

My Bog Board is how I saw the draft going. Perry had just played below his talent level. The way he's playing now, he's a top 3 pick.

I just either him or MKG on my Cavs. Can't lose either way.

Well then, you don't even understand the definition of a big board. It's a ranking of players based on potential, not a mock draft.

If you think that PJ3 is a once in a decade player and you think he's a small forward, why would you want to pass him up?

You stated earlier in this thread that MKG is, by far, the best player in this draft. Does this make him a once in a century player?

I'm willing to wager some serious dollars that MKG will not be the 1st pick in the draft.

[fredericklove]

this is probably Qmiller's best game.

[fredericklove]

PJ3 looking pretty tasty. BC likes big athletes at the 3 so i'd think he's scouting him pretty hard.

I know, I'm immature...

Reporter: So Perry, how come you're not going to the raptors draft workout?
Perry: I told BC I don't like to cross the border, so I rejected his offer to come tryout for the draft workout
Reporter: What if the Raptors drafted you on draft day even if you didn't go to the tryout?
Perry: I refuse to go there, I'll demand a trade.
Reporter: Why are you being a douche?
Perry: Cause I can, you dig?

[Marlo Stanfield]

DEUCE BELLO!

[fredericklove]

Lol at Coach Williams telling everyone to get back to the bench before the game ends, good smart decision cos all the crazy fans ran to the court like a bunch of rats. I can't imagine Barnes getting injured on the court by those (Please Use More Appropriate Word) fans.

Way to leave 5 guys out to dry

The bench warmers are not his assets Heck I'd do the same thing too if it was the raps' team. Leave Butler, AC, Magloire, Forbes and Bayless on the floor

[fredericklove]

My Bog Board is how I saw the draft going. Perry had just played below his talent level. The way he's playing now, he's a top 3 pick.

I just either him or MKG on my Cavs. Can't lose either way.

Well then, you don't even understand the definition of a big board. It's a ranking of players based on potential, not a mock draft.

If you think that PJ3 is a once in a decade player and you think he's a small forward, why would you want to pass him up?

You stated earlier in this thread that MKG is, by far, the best player in this draft. Does this make him a once in a century player?

I'm willing to wager some serious dollars that MKG will not be the 1st pick in the draft.

Put my head in that bet too. If MKG's 1st pick I'll behead myself with a chainsaw, bro.

[fredericklove]

what the, damn it I missed the kentucky game. So MKG and Davis had good game and Drummond still lacks motor? Got it. I'm ready for 2nd half of UNC and abit of PJ3.

His picks are disgusting and he still manages to dominate the glass and paint. Although I doubt he manages to do so against nba players simply because he doesn't put enough effort into what he is doing. He's gotten better at positioning defensively but lacking some serious fundamentals. The anti Jonas imo. His passing though for a big man is remarkable.

As for UNC I think I'm bad luck, the first game of HB i tune into in about a month and its been disgusting. He did attempt to drive the ball and was able to use his body to shield the ball and get into the paint. Missed the shot but baby steps I guess... I wonder who would look better in the nba Lamb or Barnes... I think Lamb

Drummond's motor is the only thing that destroys him. I don't even know if all those lack of serious fundamentals were result of immaturity or being new to the game cos he's definitely not raw and has a good bbiq from the games I've seen this season. But just imagine him with Blake Griffin's motor, heck, even with an Amir motor too is good enough to help D12 to destroy every game. Dude just doesn't know how extremely talented he is. His offensive skillset is already looking advanced, its just the mental state but I'm happy that uconn is looking to go to him on offense abit more.

Yeah you're cursing Barnes for sure lol. I think Lamb has the upper hand in the NBA cos Lamb is equally as good on ball or off ball. Even if he struggles handling the ball in his first rookie season cos I think a lot of good ball handler struggles first year then improves, but so even if Lamb struggles at that he's still good enough to score using screens since he's already a good spot up shooter or slashing to the bucket.

Barnes's taking it babystep, one thing about Barnes is he has a really good body control, if he's able to drive consistently he'll be able to finish through contact extremely well. He's already used to the half court set in UNC so if he plays for raps he'll have good idea how to utilizes those half-court sets (where to spotup, where or when to drive etc) and if Jose stays (i pray not) I can see him passing the ball alot more to Barnes (like he does to butler or JJ ) than to Demar.

[CunningLinguist]

what the, damn it I missed the kentucky game. So MKG and Davis had good game and Drummond still lacks motor? Got it. I'm ready for 2nd half of UNC and abit of PJ3.

His picks are disgusting and he still manages to dominate the glass and paint. Although I doubt he manages to do so against nba players simply because he doesn't put enough effort into what he is doing. He's gotten better at positioning defensively but lacking some serious fundamentals. The anti Jonas imo. His passing though for a big man is remarkable.

As for UNC I think I'm bad luck, the first game of HB i tune into in about a month and its been disgusting. He did attempt to drive the ball and was able to use his body to shield the ball and get into the paint. Missed the shot but baby steps I guess... I wonder who would look better in the nba Lamb or Barnes... I think Lamb

Drummond's motor is the only thing that destroys him. I don't even know if all those lack of serious fundamentals were result of immaturity or being new to the game cos he's definitely not raw and has a good bbiq from the games I've seen this season. But just imagine him with Blake Griffin's motor, heck, even with an Amir motor too is good enough to help D12 to destroy every game. Dude just doesn't know how extremely talented he is. His offensive skillset is already looking advanced, its just the mental state but I'm happy that uconn is looking to go to him on offense abit more.

Yeah you're cursing Barnes for sure lol. I think Lamb has the upper hand in the NBA cos Lamb is equally as good on ball or off ball. Even if he struggles handling the ball in his first rookie season cos I think a lot of good ball handler struggles first year then improves, but so even if Lamb struggles at that he's still good enough to score using screens since he's already a good spot up shooter or slashing to the bucket.

Barnes's taking it babystep, one thing about Barnes is he has a really good body control, if he's able to drive consistently he'll be able to finish through contact extremely well. He's already used to the half court set in UNC so if he plays for raps he'll have good idea how to utilizes those half-court sets (where to spotup, where or when to drive etc) and if Jose stays (i pray not) I can see him passing the ball alot more to Barnes (like he does to butler or JJ ) than to Demar.

I'm not sure if it's motor so much as not knowing where he's supposed to be on the court. I agree that his skills are way ahead of his fundamentals at this point.