Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 10

[Rapsfan07]

Jeremy Lamb is easily a better ball player than MKG. He still needs to refine his skills because at this point he's relying a lot on a high motor and hustle. Won't be enough for the pros.

This.

Lamb is more of a refined player. MKG outside of hustle and high motor doesn't every much going for him. I know he'll improve and he won't stay this way for ever but I still think when they both finish developing, Lamb will be better.

[Rhettmatic]

Well we are currently sitting at 6th and all it would take is for one team like Utah to win the lottery and we would be pushed down to 7th. It's very possible.

The draft position is very possible but I don't see four wings being drafted before Jared Sullinger or any of the other bigs lurking just outside the top 5 on most mocks (of course, this also presumes that Drummond goes back to school, which we don't know yet). But as I say, I'd happily take Sullinger in that situation.

[fredericklove]

What's wrong with MKG over Lamb? MKG is ranked top 2 or 3 in virtually every mock draft... If we're going by drafting BPA it would only make sense...

I see T- rob and beal goiing before mkg.

Okay, but if it's the Raptors turn to pick, and MKG and Lamb are both available (assuming t-rob & beal are gone)... who would you pick?

Lamb of course. The possibility of dragic in town...think about it, both dragic and lamb and VAL...trade demar and bargnani because I don't care about them two.

[niQ]

lol I have nothing against Lamb, but I'm just surprised the Raps boards was crazy over MKG probably just a week ago and now everyone is on Lamb.

On another note, when did the possibility of getting Dragic come into play? Or is it just you guy's wishing it'll happen?

[sunny]

1. Louisville - $211.5 M
2. Kansas - 146.0
3. Indiana - 130.8
4. Ohio State - 120.3
5. Arizona - 110.4
6. North Carolina - 109.8
7. Duke - 105.9
8. Virginia - 97.6
9. UNLV - 88.4
10. Minnesota - 87.9
11. Wisconsin - 87.7
12. Wake Forest - 87.3
13. Syracuse - 82.7
14. Kansas State - 77.6
15. Maryland - 77.1
16. Kentucky - 73.7
17. UCLA - 73.5
18. Purdue - 73.2
19. Missouri - 67.6
20. Northwestern - 66.0

Source: "Ryan Brewer, an assistant professor of finance at Indiana University-Purdue University Columbus, calculated the intrinsic valuations of 100 top Division I programs... Among other factors, the study examined each program's revenues and expenses and made cash-flow adjustments, risk assessments and growth projections for every school"

[Rapsfan07]

Well we are currently sitting at 6th and all it would take is for one team like Utah to win the lottery and we would be pushed down to 7th. It's very possible.

The draft position is very possible but I don't see four wings being drafted before Jared Sullinger or any of the other bigs lurking just outside the top 5 on most mocks (of course, this also presumes that Drummond goes back to school, which we don't know yet). But as I say, I'd happily take Sullinger in that situation.

Yup. Sullinger's not a bad choice either.

[vexen]

Well we are currently sitting at 6th and all it would take is for one team like Utah to win the lottery and we would be pushed down to 7th. It's very possible.

The draft position is very possible but I don't see four wings being drafted before Jared Sullinger or any of the other bigs lurking just outside the top 5 on most mocks (of course, this also presumes that Drummond goes back to school, which we don't know yet). But as I say, I'd happily take Sullinger in that situation.

Sullinger would be a good consolation prize but wouldn't you rather have Rondo? Do you think the Celtics would even be interested?

[fredericklove]

lol I have nothing against Lamb, but I'm just surprised the Raps boards was crazy over MKG probably just a week ago and now everyone is on Lamb.

On another note, when did the possibility of getting Dragic come into play? Or is it just you guy's wishing it'll happen?

Those one that love mkg aren't us from draft board. Those are the ones that don't pay attention to college ball this season. We have caps to sign dragic, and he is Ufa.

[Kevin Willis]

This draft has a lot of kids returning. Not nearly as deep as it was few weeks ago which makes it less likely to get a second round steal as guy go up to the first round.

But with most of the kids who have so far said they're returning to school, it was always presumed they would do so. Which of the prospects going back to school actually surprised you?

Tony Mitchell was a surprise. Zeller I thought would come out with his brother. Burke should come back but after a good freshman year I was still surprised. Even a Plumlee a bit because I can't see his stock rising this year. Some of these decisions should be business decisions and some of these guys should get out when they're at their highest.

[Dr Positivity]

Swishscout uploaded Moe Harkless into their series, which is useful because there wasn't great youtube footage before

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_1alVOQos8&list=UUtA1fanU-infOsCodhDiroA&index=22&feature=plcp[/youtube]

Watch for this guy to end up in the top 10/lotto by the end of the day. The draft loves the youth/physical tools/motor combo, especially when they're relatively productive at that age (He had an equal statistical season as MKG). He looks like he has a huge wingspan too.

I could see him to being the James Johnson to our Derozan in this draft where we don't pick him but he's thrown around in the final 5 names or so

[DA_SCOUT]

- actually quite fast, fastest player on Baylor
- Good face up game
- Solid post moves (I wont say lack of, I've watched A LOT of baylor games this season)

If you have watched alot of baylor games this season, you would know Pierre Jackson is the fastest player on Baylor. What does he do faceup? blow by? no. Shooting over people? No. A pullup? No. He only has that jump shot at the elbow and short corner. That's it.

And he definitely lacks post moves, he has no fakes/pivots move in the paint, he only has that back down then turn around jump hook, nothing else.

We'll agree to disagree but..
If you watched a lot of Baylor games this season, you would've noticed his quickness. He is in fact faster than Pierre Jackson as mentioned several times during the season by the commentators.

If he's there at 7, I take him and run. I still stand by that.

[DA_SCOUT]

I still take MKG over Lamb btw.

[fredericklove]

- actually quite fast, fastest player on Baylor
- Good face up game
- Solid post moves (I wont say lack of, I've watched A LOT of baylor games this season)

If you have watched alot of baylor games this season, you would know Pierre Jackson is the fastest player on Baylor. What does he do faceup? blow by? no. Shooting over people? No. A pullup? No. He only has that jump shot at the elbow and short corner. That's it.

And he definitely lacks post moves, he has no fakes/pivots move in the paint, he only has that back down then turn around jump hook, nothing else.

We'll agree to disagree but..
If you watched a lot of Baylor games this season, you would've noticed his quickness. He is in fact faster than Pierre Jackson as mentioned several times during the season by the commentators.

If he's there at 7, I take him and run. I still stand by that.

I never once heard commentators mentioned it, I'm not sure if you're making this up. Pierre Jackson is still by far the faster guy cmon bro, you're still trying to compare the quickness of a 5'11 and a 6'11? PJ3 is quick for his size in transition but nowhere fast in half-court setting, whereas Pierre Jackson is the fastest guy to attack the lane in half-court, and goes on full speed coast to coast mode everytime the opposing team turns it over leading to fastbreak opportunities.

[Yeezus_]

I've watched a few games Lamb played in. He looks like he got all the tools to be an elite SG?

[anj]

We'll agree to disagree but..
If you watched a lot of Baylor games this season, you would've noticed his quickness. He is in fact faster than Pierre Jackson as mentioned several times during the season by the commentators.

If he's there at 7, I take him and run. I still stand by that.

I never once heard commentators mentioned it, I'm not sure if you're making this up. Pierre Jackson is still by far the faster guy cmon bro, you're still trying to compare the quickness of a 5'11 and a 6'11? PJ3 is quick for his size in transition but nowhere fast in half-court setting, whereas Pierre Jackson is the fastest guy to attack the lane in half-court, and goes on full speed coast to coast mode everytime the opposing team turns it over leading to fastbreak opportunities.

I remember hearing it in a broadcast, too. It doesn't make it true, but I remember commentators saying it - and they were quoting Baylor's coach, Scott Drew.

[dTox]

Has Quincy Miller declared yet or is he coming back? Would love for the Raps to take a chance on him with a later first or early 2nd, he still has more potential than any other wing prospects in my opinion (key word being potential)

[CoachJReturns]

I'd take MKG over Lamb because you just can't teach the kind of effort and intensity. That being said from what little I've seen, I like Lamb's game a lot. Very smooth and more explosive I think than he's given credit for. Both will be good players in the league for a long time.
To me a lot of it comes down to what will be done with the rest of the roster. Demar does not have a small forward's game, so I don't want to see him there. Of course he also lacks the handle or outside shot of a great guard, so it's tough to say what should be done with him. If we're drafting MKG then whoever is at the point guard spot needs to be a great outside shooter, because Bargs will be the only guy capable of hitting a 3 and even his percentages are nothing great. Honestly, I just want to see some balance on this bloody team. Big men who play like big men, wings who can shoot and defend the perimeter, a point guard who can create. Aahh.... Such a nice dream.

[Los Manos]

I agree that he has a chance to be with his skill-set and measurements. Good news that he's definitely in, I just hope teams keep sleeping on him come June.

Hopefully that happens. But I expect Lamb to blow up at the combine and team workouts. It shouldn't come as a surprise if Lamb does get drafted in the top 5.

Yup I've been saying the same thing for a month now, that once the combine rolls around and Lamb gets officially measured and begins workouts his stock is going to skyrocket. He's been at the top of my list out of him, MKG, Barnes & Beal for a long while and none of the wings have shown enough to leapfrog him in the past month.

I never put any stock in Ford's mock at this point in the year as his info is based on front office whispers that are likely driven by a desire to see certain players drop a few, if not a bunch of spots. However I'm still struggling to get my head around why Givony has Lamb ranked so low on his board. I highly respect his talent evaluation but what's the reason? Is he so sure of the mental deficiencies in Lamb's game effecting his upside? From a physical, skills & IQ perspective Lamb has everything I would want in a 20 year old two guard but I am concerned that Givony clearly still has major doubts.

For Givony to have Lamb behind a guy like PJIII or Terrence Jones right now just leaves me dumbfounded. As I say I respect Givony more than any other pundit out there but his level of scepticism on Lamb reaching his potential must be so high to still have Lamb ranked so low. I'd still take Lamb with a top 5 pick right now but it's hard to ignore when someone with Givony's experience ranks Lamb below such high bust material in PJIII & TJ.

[BillyGM]

if you think lambs physical tools are impressive what can you say about quincy millers 7-4 wingspan for 6' 9" sf.

[Rapsfan07]

if you think lambs physical tools are impressive what can you say about quincy millers 7-4 wingspan for 6' 9" sf.

Well I've always been a fan. Hopefully he decides to come out and we move Ed for him.