Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

That would be great if we wanted to get back into lottery. lol.

longterm it will be a great strategy

How many winning teams are doing the same thing? The league is actually shifting in the opposite direction. You need versatile players in your lineup. 3+D players no doubt serve a purpose in this league but they can't be your 2nd best players.

It's not a good strategy. In fact, I'd argue it's a horrible strategy that is extremely limited and shortsighted. We'd be the easiest team in the league to defend. LOL.

All the best teams in the league have a bunch of 3 point shooters that space the floor but i guess the league is going away from that..... We seen our team with 2 of our 3 point shooters injured and the other one was struggling and we could not score a LICK. I like you to name these teams going away from this strategy..

[Los_29]

longterm it will be a great strategy

How many winning teams are doing the same thing? The league is actually shifting in the opposite direction. You need versatile players in your lineup. 3+D players no doubt serve a purpose in this league but they can't be your 2nd best players.

It's not a good strategy. In fact, I'd argue it's a horrible strategy that is extremely limited and shortsighted. We'd be the easiest team in the league to defend. LOL.

All the best teams in the league have a bunch of 3 point shooters that space the floor but i guess the league is going away from that..... We seen our team with 2 of our 3 point shooters injured and the other one was struggling and we could not score a LICK. I like you to name these teams going away from this strategy..

You said you’d surround Scottie with 3+D shooters. To me that implies that’s all we would have around Scottie. I don’t think I need to elaborate on why that wouldn’t work out.

You also need to read my comment again as I said 3+D players serve a purpose in this league. They are important but not as a team’s 2nd best player.

It’s a bad idea.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

How many winning teams are doing the same thing? The league is actually shifting in the opposite direction. You need versatile players in your lineup. 3+D players no doubt serve a purpose in this league but they can't be your 2nd best players.

It's not a good strategy. In fact, I'd argue it's a horrible strategy that is extremely limited and shortsighted. We'd be the easiest team in the league to defend. LOL.

All the best teams in the league have a bunch of 3 point shooters that space the floor but i guess the league is going away from that..... We seen our team with 2 of our 3 point shooters injured and the other one was struggling and we could not score a LICK. I like you to name these teams going away from this strategy..

You said you’d surround Scottie with 3+D shooters. To me that implies that’s all we would have around Scottie. I don’t think I need to elaborate on why that wouldn’t work out.

You also need to read my comment again as I said 3+D players serve a purpose in this league. They are important but not as a team’s 2nd best player.

It’s a bad idea.

Just cause i say 3 and D doesn't mean they'll be stiff as a board like OG lol kawhi and PG i guess are 3 & D and obviously they can do more than just that! they are stars too

[Los_29]

All the best teams in the league have a bunch of 3 point shooters that space the floor but i guess the league is going away from that..... We seen our team with 2 of our 3 point shooters injured and the other one was struggling and we could not score a LICK. I like you to name these teams going away from this strategy..

You said you’d surround Scottie with 3+D shooters. To me that implies that’s all we would have around Scottie. I don’t think I need to elaborate on why that wouldn’t work out.

You also need to read my comment again as I said 3+D players serve a purpose in this league. They are important but not as a team’s 2nd best player.

It’s a bad idea.

Just cause i say 3 and D doesn't mean they'll be stiff as a board like OG lol

So then instead of saying 3+D players, you should’ve said all-star players because that’s essentially what you are describing.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

You said you’d surround Scottie with 3+D shooters. To me that implies that’s all we would have around Scottie. I don’t think I need to elaborate on why that wouldn’t work out.

You also need to read my comment again as I said 3+D players serve a purpose in this league. They are important but not as a team’s 2nd best player.

It’s a bad idea.

Just cause i say 3 and D doesn't mean they'll be stiff as a board like OG lol

So then instead of saying 3+D players, you should’ve said all-star players because that’s essentially what you are describing.

some all stars that shoot 3's then.. lol whatever..

[Clay Davis]

current season profile compared to the rest of the NBA:



compared to age 20 SF/PFs in NBA history:



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The versatility score indicates he's likely the most versatile player in the league :|

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[Clay Davis]

Rough game from him in the 2nd half but came super clutch with all of those steals at the end of the game.

Raptors team and him need to get locked in during the off season and work on his explosiveness, it's so hit or miss.

You should be seeing improvements once he is used to the workload next season. This game was pretty weird though. Barnes has a tendency to look more lethargic when things aren't flowing. I wasn't surprised at all that he got blocked by Biyombo, I noticed this trend in a couple of games this season by him. Also not exactly sure what the gameplan was but the Siakam isos looked ugly. You saw Barnes didn't exactly know where to be and he was wasted.

His bounce is super weird, don't know what to make of it.

I think his jumping technique is really bad, very inefficient way of utilizing his leg strenght.

I wonder how much of his odd jumping could be remedied by better strength n conditioning work?

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[TheBoi10]

Mobley is guarding scrubs and Scottie taking the toughest assignment

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[hype_2004]

That's a superstar folks, frustrated Jokic and straight dominated.

[Badonkadonk]

Mobley is guarding scrubs and Scottie taking the toughest assignment

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Look I love Scottie but they play pretty different roles on D, Scottie spends more time in traditional 1:1 settings and from what I've seen in Cavs games so far, Mobley does switch between rim protection and roving on the perimeter depending on what's happening.

Focusing just on Scottie, it's a good callout that he has really tough assignments and it's one of the reasons I think he'll figure out how to be a tremendous defender eventually. I think a lot of his current issues comes from matching up against guys who are really good at manipulating defenses.

[HumbleRen]

Barnes 55% TS on 52% unassisted baskets
Wagner 56% TS on 40% unassisted baskets
Jalen Green 53% TS on 48 % unassisted baskets
Cade 50% TS on 63% unassisted baskets
Mobley 55% TS on 35% unassisted baskets
Kuminga 61% TS on 30% unassisted baskets

plenty of bag...


Draymond during his career high 14 PPG season, 30% unassisted baskets
Shawn Marion career best 40% unassisted baskets, all other seasons 32% and below
Boris Diaw career best 15.1 PPG, 33% unassisted baskets

not comparable...

give him the keys next year || abolish the pecking order

[hype_2004]

Barnes 55% TS on 52% unassisted baskets
Wagner 56% TS on 40% unassisted baskets
Jalen Green 53% TS on 48 % unassisted baskets
Cade 50% TS on 63% unassisted baskets
Mobley 55% TS on 35% unassisted baskets
Kuminga 61% TS on 30% unassisted baskets

plenty of bag...


Draymond during his career high 14 PPG season, 30% unassisted baskets
Shawn Marion career best 40% unassisted baskets, all other seasons 32% and below
Boris Diaw career best 15.1 PPG, 33% unassisted baskets

not comparable...

give him the keys next year || abolish the pecking order

Just give him the keys and lock everything!

[positivetension]

He'll get the keys soon enough. His development isn't being stunted by how the Raptors are bringing him along, in fact I'd argue it's the opposite.

[Mehar]

Another solid all-around game from Barnes. The way he has played so far, has surpassed all my expectations about him. I thank the Basketball Gods that we jumped from 7th to 4th in the draft last year. Good thing also that we did not compete for the "play-in tournament" last year like some posters wanted, for the "organization's winning culture". Otherwise, we would have been stuck with a guy like Corey Kispert at 15, who the Wizards drafted after they got dominated in the first round by Philadelphia.

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[CANsportsguru]

I'm going to say this if the season ended today Scottie should be the ROY. He's taken on a much steeper workload defensively than anyone else in the rookie class. Offensively he's been used everywhere in a variety of different roles. He's not really featured in the offense he just kind of goes and gets his own and still putting up great numbers. Then there's all the little things he does that doesn't show up on the stat sheets. If Cade wins because he's able to score a few more points due to higher usage on a non playoff team it would be a robbery.

[Tha Cynic]

I'm going to say this if the season ended today Scottie should be the ROY. He's taken on a much steeper workload defensively than anyone else in the rookie class. Offensively he's been used everywhere in a variety of different roles. He's not really featured in the offense he just kind of goes and gets his own and still putting up great numbers. Then there's all the little things he does that doesn't show up on the stat sheets. If Cade wins because he's able to score a few more points due to higher usage on a non playoff team it would be a robbery.

Yeah, if you look at responsibility and accomplishments, I think Barnes has clearly been the better player. If you look at basic stats and hype, then you get Mobley and Cade, though the funny thing is Barnes actually had the basic stats down too.

Nurse had Barnes guarding the other teams' best players since day one. He struggled a lot against guards in those scenarios but you can see now how that's paying off. He has taken a massive step forward defensively and is having an amazing offensive season where he has been the 4th or 5th option for a big part of it.

This is why I don't care about this award. No one who's voting is actually doing a proper analysis of these players and looking as deeply as some fans and local media have.

[720]

If we can jump the Cavs you guys think that might start changing the rookie of the year narrative and get Scottie a shot at winning it? Especially with how well he has been playing.

I honestly don’t care if he wins it or not (in my mind he’s the ROY lol) but it would be cool to see.
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[HumbleRen]

If we can jump the Cavs you guys think that might start changing the rookie of the year narrative and get Scottie a shot at winning it? Especially with how well he has been playing.

I honestly don’t care if he wins it or not (in my mind he’s the ROY lol) but it would be cool to see.
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It's super tough lol. Barnes would have to average 20 + for the next 15 games to win it imo.