Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5

wanker · Post #1381 » by **wanker** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:25 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:I don't understand Chad Ford talking about Barnes having a tournament worthy of a #1 pick and comparing him to Williams. 21ppg on 19 shots while not creating much himself sounds like a #1 pick

Comparing Barnes to Derrick Williams is an insult to Barnes. I wouldn't even take Williams in the top 5, as he is going to be truly mediocre (if not terrible) NBA player. Williams and Walker are what you would call "fool's gold."

Prestige · Post #1382 » by **Prestige** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:25 pm

Reignman wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:I don't understand Chad Ford talking about Barnes having a tournament worthy of a #1 pick and comparing him to Williams. 21ppg on 19 shots while not creating much himself sounds like a #1 pick

If Barnes goes top 2 it's Marvin Williams all over again

You're making shortsighted assumptions as much as Ford so I'm not sure what you're mad about.

Outside of Irving almost every prospect has question marks surrounding them. Tweeners, undersized, unpolished, haven't played in ages, older players, etc.

I think it's pretty much BS when anyone talks in absolutes in this draft.

When you say "Marvin Williams all over again" that means you see CP or Deron calibre players behind Barnes in this draft. I'd love to know who you think have that kind of calibre.

No, he probably means another N Carolina player with potential never reaching it, and to be honest I get that vibe from HB a little as well.

Prestige · Post #1383 » by **Prestige** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:26 pm

wanker wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:I don't understand Chad Ford talking about Barnes having a tournament worthy of a #1 pick and comparing him to Williams. 21ppg on 19 shots while not creating much himself sounds like a #1 pick

Comparing Barnes to Derrick Williams is an insult to Barnes. I wouldn't even take Williams in the top 5, as he is going to be truly mediocre (if not terrible) NBA player. Williams and Walker are what you would call "fool's gold."

Whoa there.

Reignman · Post #1384 » by **Reignman** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:36 pm

PRESTIGE wrote:
Reignman wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:I don't understand Chad Ford talking about Barnes having a tournament worthy of a #1 pick and comparing him to Williams. 21ppg on 19 shots while not creating much himself sounds like a #1 pick

If Barnes goes top 2 it's Marvin Williams all over again

You're making shortsighted assumptions as much as Ford so I'm not sure what you're mad about.

Outside of Irving almost every prospect has question marks surrounding them. Tweeners, undersized, unpolished, haven't played in ages, older players, etc.

I think it's pretty much BS when anyone talks in absolutes in this draft.

When you say "Marvin Williams all over again" that means you see CP or Deron calibre players behind Barnes in this draft. I'd love to know who you think have that kind of calibre.

No, he probably means another N Carolina player with potential never reaching it, and to be honest I get that vibe from HB a little as well.

Outside of Irving I pretty much get that vibe from the majority of the top prospects, Barnes isn't an exception.

BrickHeads · Post #1385 » by **BrickHeads** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:48 pm

Am I the only one here that wouldn't really mind getting Kemba Walker or Brandon Knight?

I'm not even sure which of the 2 I like best at this point between them. I get the general feeling on here that losing out on Barnes or Irving is a disaster for this season.

I don't feel that way.

s e n s i · Post #1386 » by **s e n s i** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:58 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:I don't understand Chad Ford talking about Barnes having a tournament worthy of a #1 pick and comparing him to Williams. 21ppg on 19 shots while not creating much himself sounds like a #1 pick

If Barnes goes top 2 it's Marvin Williams all over again

I am going to straight-up call you out here...your track record in terms of prospect analysis has been poor. Rubio, Henderson, Thabeet...to name a few, all players you thought had no bust potential, look at em now. You were also pretty wrong about Derozan, as you wrote him off before he even played an NBA game. You wanted nothing to do with Tyreke Evans who was deservedly the ROY last year and has had a down season this year because of injury.

But hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day...so who knows, right?

God Squad · Post #1387 » by **God Squad** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:59 pm

BrickHeads wrote:Am I the only one here that wouldn't really mind getting Kemba Walker or Brandon Knight?

I'm not even sure which of the 2 I like best at this point between them. I get the general feeling on here that losing out on Barnes or Irving is a disaster for this season.

I don't feel that way.

Maybe some feel that way. But I'm far more optimistic. I'd love Knight, Kanter, and I'd take a gamble on Perry Jones.
Yeah I'd love to get Kyrie or Barnes. But at this point its not looking likely so its smart to think of alternatives.

mappiah19 · Post #1388 » by **mappiah19** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:01 pm

chocolateSensi wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:I don't understand Chad Ford talking about Barnes having a tournament worthy of a #1 pick and comparing him to Williams. 21ppg on 19 shots while not creating much himself sounds like a #1 pick

If Barnes goes top 2 it's Marvin Williams all over again

I am going to straight-up call you out here...your track record in terms of prospect analysis has been poor. Rubio, Henderson, Thabeet...to name a few, all players you thought had no bust potential, look at em now. You were also pretty wrong about Derozan, as you wrote him off before he even played an NBA game.

But hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day...so who knows, right?

You forgot T-Will. And Dr. Mufasa is the mysterious Lemondrop

Post #1389 » by **5DOM** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:02 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:I don't understand Chad Ford talking about Barnes having a tournament worthy of a #1 pick and comparing him to Williams. 21ppg on 19 shots while not creating much himself sounds like a #1 pick

If Barnes goes top 2 it's Marvin Williams all over again

I'm of the same opinion. Against Kentucky, he was pretty much average or not playing well for 39 minutes of the game. Even during that one minute period he played well, the guy made an open 3 and a transition bucket, and everyone was going absolutely crazy lol. It's just his hype doing the work for him again. Hell I think even Jeremy Lamb played much better than Barnes this tourny. Williams, Walker, Zeller and Knight for sure too.

God Squad · Post #1390 » by **God Squad** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:03 pm

chocolateSensi wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:I don't understand Chad Ford talking about Barnes having a tournament worthy of a #1 pick and comparing him to Williams. 21ppg on 19 shots while not creating much himself sounds like a #1 pick

If Barnes goes top 2 it's Marvin Williams all over again

I am going to straight-up call you out here...your track record in terms of prospect analysis has been poor. Rubio, Henderson, Thabeet...to name a few, all players you thought had no bust potential, look at em now. You were also pretty wrong about Derozan, as you wrote him off before he even played an NBA game. You wanted nothing to do with Tyreke Evans who was deservedly the ROY last year and has had a down season this year because of injury.

But hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day...so who knows, right?

Ouch.

Post #1391 » by **5DOM** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:04 pm

chocolateSensi wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:I don't understand Chad Ford talking about Barnes having a tournament worthy of a #1 pick and comparing him to Williams. 21ppg on 19 shots while not creating much himself sounds like a #1 pick

If Barnes goes top 2 it's Marvin Williams all over again

I am going to straight-up call you out here...your track record in terms of prospect analysis has been poor. Rubio, Henderson, Thabeet...to name a few, all players you thought had no bust potential, look at em now. You were also pretty wrong about Derozan, as you wrote him off before he even played an NBA game. You wanted nothing to do with Tyreke Evans who was deservedly the ROY last year and has had a down season this year because of injury.

But hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day...so who knows, right?

Does this make what Dr Mufasa said any wrong? Do you honestly think Barnes had a touranment worthy of being a #1 pick?

s e n s i · Post #1392 » by **s e n s i** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:08 pm

5DOM wrote:
chocolateSensi wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:I don't understand Chad Ford talking about Barnes having a tournament worthy of a #1 pick and comparing him to Williams. 21ppg on 19 shots while not creating much himself sounds like a #1 pick

If Barnes goes top 2 it's Marvin Williams all over again

I am going to straight-up call you out here...your track record in terms of prospect analysis has been poor. Rubio, Henderson, Thabeet...to name a few, all players you thought had no bust potential, look at em now. You were also pretty wrong about Derozan, as you wrote him off before he even played an NBA game. You wanted nothing to do with Tyreke Evans who was deservedly the ROY last year and has had a down season this year because of injury.

But hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day...so who knows, right?

Does this make what Dr Mufasa said any wrong? Do you honestly think Barnes had a touranment worthy of being a #1 pick?

No, definitely not. But I think what ever Mufasa says should be taken with a grain of salt considering his wildly inaccurate analysis and projections of past prospects.

Barnes is a top 5 guy in this draft, imo. And I wouldn't be surprised if a team takes him in the top 3.

Post #1393 » by **Alfred** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:09 pm

I think CS is just pointing out Dr Mufasa's track record when it comes to draft picks.

God Squad · Post #1394 » by **God Squad** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:10 pm

5DOM wrote:
chocolateSensi wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:I don't understand Chad Ford talking about Barnes having a tournament worthy of a #1 pick and comparing him to Williams. 21ppg on 19 shots while not creating much himself sounds like a #1 pick

If Barnes goes top 2 it's Marvin Williams all over again

I am going to straight-up call you out here...your track record in terms of prospect analysis has been poor. Rubio, Henderson, Thabeet...to name a few, all players you thought had no bust potential, look at em now. You were also pretty wrong about Derozan, as you wrote him off before he even played an NBA game. You wanted nothing to do with Tyreke Evans who was deservedly the ROY last year and has had a down season this year because of injury.

But hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day...so who knows, right?

Does this make what Dr Mufasa said any wrong? Do you honestly think Barnes had a touranment worthy of being a #1 pick?

Maybe not, But he has all the tools to succeed at his position at the next level. Good height, Smooth jumper, solid rebounder, plays great defense. But I agree. I wouldn't take him 1st overall. I'd still go with Kyrie. But lets be honest, he has the tools to be a very good player.

s e n s i · Post #1395 » by **s e n s i** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:11 pm

Lemme add that he's coining Barnes as 'Marvin Williams all over again' if he's taken 2nd overall. Marvin Williams has been a bust.

Post #1396 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:14 pm

baulderdash77 wrote:Terrence Jones has been very passive lately. I don't think he's a top 10 pick anymore.

It's weird. He's far from a dominant player, but he's made some big plays when Kentucky has needed them. Drives, blocks, jumpers, passes. He's not a sexy pick and he's not going to 180 a franchise, but he's got a great chance to be a 30min+ NBA player IMO, better than most of this lotto. I think he's going to be average at worst with his body/skills and could be a safe pick for somebody around #10.

Kevin Willis · Post #1397 » by **Kevin Willis** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:21 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:^^ I don't see what being non N.American or not has anything to do with it. It all comes down to the quality of the prospect himself compared to all the other prospects in this draft, irrespective of how other players (whose only common trait is that they're not from this continent) have done in previous years. I would love to draft a good young prospect like Gallinari/Rubio/Ibaka/Batum/Beaubois in this draft (and they've just been in the last two years).

I'm talking about stars not role players. We don't see the Nowitzkis or Parkers or Mings or Gasols anymore. Just good players and at our pick is it worth taking that risk? Just thinking out loud, but there is a drop in 'star' players being drafted. None of those you metioned will ever be stars. Well - maybe Rubio.

Post #1398 » by **Alfred** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:31 pm

Gallinari looks like a good second option on a good team, now that he's free to play his game in Denver. That seems like the type of guy you could expect to get top 3 in this draft.

Reignman · Post #1399 » by **Reignman** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:32 pm

chocolateSensi wrote:Lemme add that he's coining Barnes as 'Marvin Williams all over again' if he's taken 2nd overall. Marvin Williams has been a bust.

That and the fact that the MW pick was so bad because there were obvious better prospects in Chris Paul and Deron Williams taken after him.

Who in this draft is an "obviously" better prospect than Barnes (outside of Irving)? IMO, nobody. Sure, some guys may have had better tourneys and some may have been more consistent throughout the year but that's only one small part of evaluating talent.

God Squad · Post #1400 » by **God Squad** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:35 pm

Alfred wrote:Gallinari looks like a good second option on a good team, now that he's free to play his game in Denver. That seems like the type of guy you could expect to get top 3 in this draft.

I agree. I saw flashes of what Gallo could be in NY. He's fast, athletic enough to dunk/blow by people and has a jump-shot. Gallo imo was the best piece going to Denver.