Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread Part 9

[ash_k]

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I am liking this, but yes sir he is volume shooter and will never ever get anywhere close to Jamal Crawford athletic ability(length) and shoot making ability as a volume shooter. Jimmer will never be able to create the type of separations you need to be effective

You watched too much NCAA and you are just having a tough time projecting him Jimmer; and understanding the NBA game.

Jimmer is not a " Pure Shooter", far from it.
Example: If you coach let you take 10 3s in game and you make 4 of them, you are shooting 40%. Does that make a pure shooter ? ..

Kyrie Irving is a better shooter than Jimmer: he has a better form and better release too

[Tough Tony D]

And just the fact that we drafted Araujo out of BYU should make us take a 10 year BYU break.

[PowerPhil15]

if you at all watched any of his games which i know you havent you would know that at the minimum 1/3 of his buckets are drives to the net. So no he wont be shut down like morrison. he has no limit to his offensive game and one of the best in the ncaa last year to create and 1 plays and even drive and kick to his teamates.

give me a break

just like Morrison, he will be shutdown. Cause do you actually believe 1. he will make the same shot with the type of athlete you see in the league (length and all) covering him. 2 to compare; Nash is a pure shooter with Vision, Jimmer is a volume shooter with limited vision 3. It is the NBA, so you might want to balance your NBA's watching with NCAA's "watching" to better understand 4. Which coach will let a volume shooter with limited athletic ability out there jack up shot? 5. Do you honestly think he will be able to drive to basket in this league? 6. Dont be fooled by the Mark Price comparison; Mark Price was a "Pure shooter" 7. Steve Kerr was more effective that Jimmer will ever be 8. Unathletic, no pure-shooting and short combo guard, cmon

Give me a break

I can't tell if you're trolling or serious. If you're serious, it's clear you don't understand the term "volume shooter" in the way it is generally applied to players. You also seem to have no idea what a "pure shooter" is. You are likely correct that he is a combo guard and my feeling on him is that he's Jamal Crawford (not a bad thing, I think crawford is an absolute game changer for Atlanta). But he's not short (pretty solid PG size), he is a pure shooter, and he's not a volume shooter.

For edification purposes: Volume shooters are guys with big point totals and poor shooting percentages. Jimmer has bug point total on crazy good percentages, which he did while contstantly the focus of attention for every defense. Kemba Walker was a volume scorer and is not a pure shooter. Jimmer is the purest shooter in the draft, probably for years. TS% around 60 every year takes you a LONG way from Volume Shooter. And hitting 40% of your threes, many from way beyond the college 3, while constantly double teamed - that's a pure shooter. Any clip package shows his form - pretty much as pure as it gets.

ya he definetely uses the term volume shooter a lot. man i didnt realize how smart that term is, thanks for the insight. btw do some thinking, ya? because your logic dictates that a volume shooter is bound to fail, and you claim a player is not atheletic when all you have seen is the colour of his skin. go to bed, your time is up

[7-Day Dray]

Do any of you guys read my posts??? I've posted in this thread multiple times with some interesting stuff, and I have yet to get one response or reply. I'm a Wizards fan, so I'm not on this board a lot, but your draft thread is busy, so I decided to stop by. Some hospitality But since no one saw this , I'll just post it again.

Jimmer is a baller! A new scout for NBADraft.net has this series called "JNixon-Iggy9's (his forum username) Countdown to the Draft: 60 Prospects in 30 Days. He has Jimmer at #5 on his board. He's the best scout I know and I value what he says very highly. Here's what he had to say about Jimmer.

5: Jimmer Fredette, 6’2 196, PG, BYU, Sr.

Wow. CRAZY good basketball player for BYU over his last 2 or 3 years. Teams threw all kinds of defense at him, he lost the only other truly talented player on the BYU in Brandon Davies to end his Sr. season, and he still was remarkably efficient for all that he faced, and got them to the Sweet 16. He got national notoriety during his Sr. year, but he really was great his Jr. season as well, some may argue even better. Very well-spoken and seems to be humble and nice. Has some unique stories about his growing up. Plays with a very even demeanor on the court and it’s extremely rare for him to lose composure. Physically, Fredette has good size for an NBA PG, as he’s 6’2 and a shade under 200 lbs with a strong build and an average 6’4 wingspan. Athletically, Fredette shows pretty good quickness and agility, but he’s not an explosive guy at all in terms of leaping or his speed, being just alright in both instances.

Quite the offensive talent, really, really good player on this end. Hard to talk about Jimmer without discussing his UNREAL shooting skills. Possesses a very soft touch, good release speed, and great elevation. Absolutely incredible range, out consistently to around 30 feet. Most range since Salim Stoudamire came out of Arizona in 05. What Fredette particularly special as a shooter if the fact that he can shoot just as well with his feet set, as he does off the dribble or off screens. Real compact shooter off the dribble, who can go from dribble to shot instantaneously. Super confident and must be accounted for as soon as he passes half-court. Makes some shots that make you go “Wow, really?” Took bad shots as a Sr., but definitely was much better in shot selection all of his other years when the team had more balance. Fredette certainly isn’t a slouch as a slasher either. Possesses some strong crossovers and hesitation moves. Is a strong slasher who uses his jump shot to set up slashing lanes. Possesses a solid 1st step, but he likes to utilize crossovers as opposed to a quick 1st step to set his defender up to better attack and get a step on his man. Had a fairly predictable right-left/left-right crossover that guys (mainly Jacob Pullen and Malcolm Lee) picked up on, but he’s added more crossovers to his arsenal since then. The threat of his pull-up jumper makes him extremely tough to contain in isolation. Has effective floaters and runners in the lane. Understands weakside defense and occasionally will beat his man AND shield himself from help D, which is very impressive. Still, he struggles at times with length and athleticism when at the rim and dealing with helpside D. Capable of making impressive lay-ins, shielding the ball from shot-blockers using the rim and the net. Has mastered the scoop shot. Impressive pick and roll player, both as a shooter, passer and slasher. Unselfish player, who some think is a scorer based on how he looked as a Sr. He clearly is more of a PG to me, as evidenced by his Soph. and especially his Jr. seasons were he quarterbacked some solid BYU teams. Capable of finding open shooters in the drive and dish. Shows a high IQ. Will be able to play alongside a ball-dominant guard, and he shows the ability to play off-ball some. Solid transition player.

Fredette’s playing for a team with limited talent forced him to conserve energy, and not play all that hard on this end. Almost always closes out slowly on shooters, and isn’t very good denying dribble penetration. Not going to be much of a threat in the passing lanes. Plays a bit upright and lateral quickness is limted. Never going to be a truly good defender, but he has the ability to be just good enough to defend long enough to were his team D can bottle up his man. And the lessened load of offensive responsibility will also allow him to exert more energy on this end.

Fredette is a gifted offensive weapon who will be a very good NBA player, I have no doubts. His jump shot is great, he was really efficient despite the shots he took oftentimes, and he’s smart. He’s been a PG, with success, and he’s clearly an unselfish player so I have no doubts he’ll play the position well in the NBA. His defense won’t be very good, sure, but he won’t be a liability either. I think Fredette is similar to a Dallas Mavs version of Steve Nash, and I think he’ll go on to have a great career.

He thinks that Jimmer will be a very good NBA player. I think he's very underrated on this board and by everyone on this site.

[OneTime86]

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Kyrie Irving is a better shooter than Jimmer:

Wut

[5DOM]

I'm sorry but Jimmer's definitely a better shooter than Kyrie. Steve Nash doesn't have the greatest looking jumper either but he's damn effective.

[7-Day Dray]

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I am liking this, but yes sir he is volume shooter and will never ever get anywhere close to Jamal Crawford athletic ability(length) and shoot making ability as a volume shooter. Jimmer will never be able to create the type of separations you need to be effective

You watched too much NCAA and you are just having a tough time projecting him Jimmer; and understanding the NBA game.

Jimmer is not a " Pure Shooter", far from it.
Example: If you coach let you take 10 3s in game and you make 4 of them, you are shooting 40%. Does that make a pure shooter ? ..

Kyrie Irving is a better shooter than Jimmer: he has a better form and better release too

I think this guy's trolling. Going by what he's saying, I really doubt he's seen Jimmer play.

[Reef]

Valanciunas does not have NBA post moves. He has a little back down ability until he's next to the basket and a shot is available with his height. Which in no way will be there in the NBA with his body

LOL...you're criticizing Val's lack of post moves but you support the guy who airballs layups and only scores through dunks.

[Maclin9]

While Kemba was facing Teams like Kentucky, Texas, Michigan St., Louisville, Arizona, Marquette etc. Jimmer was facing the likes of UNLV, Gonzagua, Utah St, Wofford, Wyoming etc. 2 different kind of opposition

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Jimmer scored 33 pts on 22 shots this year against Arizona, put 49 pts on them on 23 shots in his Junior year.

[ash_k]

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Kyrie Irving is a better shooter than Jimmer:

Wut

you will see then you will understand why he took JJ Redick about 4 years to make a shot in the NBA

[Tough Tony D]

While Kemba was facing Teams like Kentucky, Texas, Michigan St., Louisville, Arizona, Marquette etc. Jimmer was facing the likes of UNLV, Gonzagua, Utah St, Wofford, Wyoming etc. 2 different kind of opposition

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Jimmer scored 33 pts on 22 shots this year against Arizona, put 49 pts on them on 23 shots in his Junior year.

I didnt mean that he can't put up numbers against better teams, just that the body of work is easier. And we could point out against Florida. 11-29 6 to 3-15 for 3 etc. Jimmer is a good prospect, I just don't believe his game will translate to the other level the same way as Kemba.

[Tough Tony D]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtsJJw9j2bM[/youtube]
This is pretty much how I feel about it.

[fredericklove]

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I am liking this, but yes sir he is volume shooter and will never ever get anywhere close to Jamal Crawford athletic ability(length) and shoot making ability as a volume shooter. Jimmer will never be able to create the type of separations you need to be effective

You watched too much NCAA and you are just having a tough time projecting him Jimmer; and understanding the NBA game.

Jimmer is not a " Pure Shooter", far from it.
Example: If you coach let you take 10 3s in game and you make 4 of them, you are shooting 40%. Does that make a pure shooter ? ..

Kyrie Irving is a better shooter than Jimmer: he has a better form and better release too

I think this guy's trolling. Going by what he's saying, I really doubt he's seen Jimmer play.

I love Irving but this guy really doesn't know what he's talking about and is definitely trolling!

[ash_k]

I love Irving but this guy really doesn't know what he's talking about and is definitely trolling!

Again, you will see then you will understand why he took JJ Redick about 4 years to make a shot in the NBA .

[Prestige]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtsJJw9j2bM[/youtube]
This is pretty much how I feel about it.

Nice analysis in that vid...

[Kevin Willis]

7-Day Dray - thanks for the insights!! Keep it coming, I know I enjoy reading them.

If he does one on Knight and Kanter pass it on. I can't disagree with much he says. You have to look at Jimmer's game as a Senior as an exception. He had to go nuts like Curry did. I"m not saying he's Curry but I'm saying you have to consider that when projecting him and his PG skills.

Vesely is a motor man. I think people are in love with skill, skill, skill. We've had a team of mostly skilled players and it didn't go so well. We need balance.

[highness]

7-Day Dray - thanks for the insights!! Keep it coming, I know I enjoy reading them.

If he does one on Knight and Kanter pass it on. I can't disagree with much he says. You have to look at Jimmer's game as a Senior as an exception. He had to go nuts like Curry did. I"m not saying he's Curry but I'm saying you have to consider that when projecting him and his PG skills.

Vesely is a motor man. I think people are in love with skill, skill, skill. We've had a team of mostly skilled players and it didn't go so well. We need balance.

You don't use a top 5 pick on a energy player.

[7-Day Dray]

7-Day Dray - thanks for the insights!! Keep it coming, I know I enjoy reading them.

If he does one on Knight and Kanter pass it on. I can't disagree with much he says. You have to look at Jimmer's game as a Senior as an exception. He had to go nuts like Curry did. I"m not saying he's Curry but I'm saying you have to consider that when projecting him and his PG skills.

Vesely is a motor man. I think people are in love with skill, skill, skill. We've had a team of mostly skilled players and it didn't go so well. We need balance.

Thx! He should be posting #3 & #4 tomorrow, and #2 & #1 on Friday. There available in the NBADraft.net forums, but I'll post them here as soon as their published.

I just want to point out that the guy doing the analysis is only a college freshman, but he's the best scout I know, and I love reading his analysis. I believe he was just hired by NBADraft.net too.

[chimpston17]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4snay3q9KY[/youtube]

Sports science on Derrick Williams shooting from nba range.

[ash_k]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtsJJw9j2bM[/youtube]
This is pretty much how I feel about it.

Nice analysis in that vid...

I like how he talks about Jimmer not being a pure shooter, some peeps in here might want to listen and learn about Basketball.

Jimmer is a jumpshooter(Volume shooter), just like Redick is.