Official CBA/Labour Talks Discussion Thread II

[LittleOzzy]

The deadline is irrelevant. It's artificial and no one should pay any attention to it.

I'm loling at the thought of at 5pm Sterns alarm on his phone goes off, he and the boys close up their books and say sorry, times up

I doubt anyone thought that would happen.

I do believe though if talks break down tonight that December will be lost if not the season.

[plainballing]

The deadline is irrelevant. It's artificial and no one should pay any attention to it.

I'm loling at the thought of at 5pm Sterns alarm on his phone goes off, he and the boys close up their books and say sorry, times up

Sounds like Saw.

[Courtside]

The league doesn't want to sell a team to a group with 1000's of interested, vocal owners. There is a reason they sell to individuals and very small ownership groups.

MLSE, anyone?
owned by the teachers.

Not owned by the teachers - owned by the Pension Fund as a separate business entity.

[Ponchos]

The league doesn't want to sell a team to a group with 1000's of interested, vocal owners. There is a reason they sell to individuals and very small ownership groups.

MLSE, anyone?
owned by the teachers.

The teachers are not 1000's of interested vocal owners. They don't call David Stern. Individually they have ZERO rights as pertaining to the stewardship of the team or the NBA.

Try again.

[Cyrus]

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
League, union ordering in dinner. Make of it what you will. #smallmoves

[Cyrus]

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Hearing that at 9 p.m., union will offer new proposal: 57 percent, no salary cap, no trade rules, just good, wholesome family fun. #kidding

[LittleOzzy]

What if the food doesn't come on time? Will the NBA lock out the delivery guy?

[floppymoose]

[inonba]

What if the food doesn't come on time? Will the NBA lock out the delivery guy?

They'll just take their talents to TGI Fridays.

[CrookedJ]

What if the food doesn't come on time? Will the NBA lock out the delivery guy?

Or.... what if the delivery guy is really just some loser with a ball cap, a white t shirt and a Delissio pizza?

[Homer Jay]

What if the food doesn't come on time? Will the NBA lock out the delivery guy?

If they even ordered food, Ozzy... these jackiemyazzes couldn't agree on one place to order from!

Jesus, they are probably re-enacting "Rabbit Season! Duck Season!" right now for all we know.

[RapTelligence]

So what are they really going to sign for? 50-50. They could have done this a month ago.

[Homer Jay]

The league doesn't want to sell a team to a group with 1000's of interested, vocal owners. There is a reason they sell to individuals and very small ownership groups.

MLSE, anyone?
owned by the teachers.

Not owned by the teachers - owned by the Pension Fund as a separate business entity.

Yeah. BC to Stefanski, " Oh, Ed, I forgot to mention you have to call all 200,000 teachers in Ontario and get their approval for every trade!"

[YogiStewart]

The league doesn't want to sell a team to a group with 1000's of interested, vocal owners. There is a reason they sell to individuals and very small ownership groups.

MLSE, anyone?
owned by the teachers.

The teachers are not 1000's of interested vocal owners. They don't call David Stern. Individually they have ZERO rights as pertaining to the stewardship of the team or the NBA.

Try again.

LOL.
how is that different that getting RGM to pool money and to elect Harry Palmer as our president and representative?

MLSE is a better organized version of that. you have the Teachers, represented by the ppl who run their pension plan, you have Tennenbaum, and you have other minority owners.

[Ponchos]

LOL.
how is that different that getting RGM to pool money and to elect Harry Palmer as our president and representative?

MLSE is a better organized version of that. you have the Teachers, represented by the ppl who run their pension plan, you have Tennenbaum, and you have other minority owners.

There's a gigantic frigging difference.

We'd elect Harry to be the president of overseeing a basketball team. Every single one of us would be interested in the day to day of the Raptors. The day Harry traded Bargs you'd have lawsuits and calls for him to step down.

The teachers elect people to run the OTPP to manage a god damned pension fund. Not a basketball team. They don't care about the Raptors. Even if an individual teacher cares about the Raptors they have absolutely no legal power to do anything about it.

This is why the NBA would never ever ever ever ever allow RealGM'ers to own a franchise, yet it is ok with them for the OTPP to own the Raps.

The NBA chooses who they want to own teams. Just ask Larry Ellison.

[Twinkie defense]

Here's a great summary of the what the owners want and what the players are rejecting.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... index.html

Seems the players basically want the same system requirements that made the last CBA such a mess and what has created such lopsided teams. The players clearly aren't trying to fix the system, they love it the way it is because it has given them all the control. The stars get to do whatever they want and the middling guys get overpaid.

This is the problem, the players have refused to acknowledge the systemic issues with the League, and as such have made the mistake that there were no systemic issues, and therefore the position of the owners wasn't genuine and their demands for change were just negotiating tactics, that would come around once negotiations got to the 11th hour.

And now, when the League and the NBPA finally get around to signing off on a deal, and the players have a much worse deal than they had in the past, those posters who keep throwing up vague objections to the owners position ("Why aren't you the same as the NHL?" "The Beatles made a lot of money" "how could you have spent that much money - I don't believe it!") will resolve their cognitive dissonance - not by saying well, maybe there were a lot of teams losing money after all, but by blaming the players for caving in.

Book it!

If you have seen the documentary The Fog of War, there is a chilling scene where former US Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara talks about meeting his Vietnamese counterpart well after the war. The US was fighting against a creeping tide of communism, and as such were convinced that the Vietnamese would give in once they saw how overmatched they were militarily. But the Vietnamese didn't give a damn about communism - they were fighting an imperialist invader, and they would rather die than give in. The two parties were fighting different wars, and the US lost because we didn't understand what we were fighting - as in Sun Tzu's classic The Art of War, the US, like the NBPA, didn't understand the nature of their fight.

[CrookedJ]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
@WojYahooNBA

The NBA and NBPA have made significant progress Wednesday night toward reaching a deal, two sources briefed on talks told Y! Sports.

[CrookedJ]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski

No deal was considered imminent, but talks were expected to extend late into the evening. The two sides have been meeting for 7.5 hours.

[YogiStewart]

LOL.
how is that different that getting RGM to pool money and to elect Harry Palmer as our president and representative?

MLSE is a better organized version of that. you have the Teachers, represented by the ppl who run their pension plan, you have Tennenbaum, and you have other minority owners.

There's a gigantic frigging difference.

We'd elect Harry to be the president of overseeing a basketball team. Every single one of us would be interested in the day to day of the Raptors. The day Harry traded Bargs you'd have lawsuits and calls for him to step down.

The teachers elect people to run the OTPP to manage a god damned pension fund. Not a basketball team. They don't care about the Raptors. Even if an individual teacher cares about the Raptors they have absolutely no legal power to do anything about it.

This is why the NBA would never ever ever ever ever allow RealGM'ers to own a franchise, yet it is ok with them for the OTPP to own the Raps.

The NBA chooses who they want to own teams. Just ask Larry Ellison.

our argument has nothing to do with the labour talk anymore, but...you ever read over shareholder agreements? a cleverly crafted SO agreement takes away the micromanagement you speak of. this is how major corporations can make their shares public. but this is a separate discussion

[Cyrus]

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Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
For those getting overly excited & optimistic about the NBA talks, I'm told u should slow your roll. Still a ways to go