Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread

[asham27]

Raps out: Gay, Amir, Novak, Gray, Augustin
Raps in: Asik, Fredette, Motiejunas, Hayes, Salmons, balloon payment,6.5 million TPE.

Rockets in: Amir, Novak, Augustin
Rockets out: Asik, Motiejunas

Kings in: Gay, Gray, 3 million cash from Rockets
Kings out: Salmons, Hayes, Fredette

Salmons gets bought out so he doesn't have to play for this God-forsaken team. He only has 1 million guaranteed for next year anyway. Motiejunas is an ok prospect. Fredette can play backup and perhaps salvage his career, if not no problem, he's expiring. Asik can play centre with JV at power forward in the Raptors version of the "jumbo lineup". If JV and Asik both play 30 minutes a night, they would only need to be on the floor together 12 minutes. If it doesn't work, those 12 minutes could be key to ensuring more losses. It would work better than it did with Howard I'm guessing or he can just be moved on to another team.

The real mystery is whether the Kings will be willing to trade Salmons, Hayes, Fredette, and a little under 5 million in cap space for Gay and Gray. I say it's possible. Houston gives up cash to compensate for Asik's balloon payment in final year but it goes to Kings to compensate for Gay's contract.

Why would the Kings want Gay? Their in even worst shape than the Raptors and they don't play in the biggest joke of a division like the Atlantic.

[zilby]

Rudy for Pierce would be an unbelievable deal.

The thought of Rudy and JJ playing alongside each other is hilarious. And Pierce's expiring would be a fantastic asset at the deadline. Plus could bring vet leadership to help continue mentoring DD/Ross/Fields.

Get er done Prokhorov.

I'd continue the tank and let Ross/DD continue to develop, let Pierce expire and have Wiggins fill in for him next year

[sweetcity]

I think Rudy might actually be the key to the tank. I'd move everyone but him and let him keep throwing up shots at a career low percentage.

There are a few trades out there that could net us assets

Toronto In - Dennis Schroder + 2014 first
Atlanta In - DeMar DeRozan

Toronto In - Perry Jones + Kendrick Perkins + 2014 first
Oklahoma City In - Tyler Hansbrough + Steve Novak

Toronto In - Carlos Boozer + 2014 Chicago Bulls first
Chicago In - Amir Johnson + Kyle Lowry

Raps Assets - 4 2014 first round picks + Ross + JV + Schroder + Perry Jones

Expiring Contracts In 2014 - Boozer + Gay + Perkins + Fields = $50m+

[theSkinny]

Steve Nash to the Heat.

Chalmers, Anthony to the Raps (Chalmers is an expiring and Anthony has two left (one an option?) and a pair of 2nds.

DeRozan to the lakers.


Follow up trade

Lowry

For

Sacre, Steve Blake (expiring)

Tank, have two Canucks backing up Val .. Profit.

[asham27]

Steve Nash to the Heat.

Chalmers, Anthony to the Raps (Chalmers is an expiring and Anthony has two left (one an option?) and a pair of 2nds.

DeRozan to the lakers.


Follow up trade

Lowry

For

Sacre, Steve Blake (expiring)

Tank, have two Canucks backing up Val .. Profit.

Chalmers is so much more valuable than Nash

[SkywalkerAC]

Chicago and Charlotte are the two teams with extra picks that everyone should be designing trades around.

[OAKLEY_2]

I think Rudy might actually be the key to the tank. I'd move everyone but him and let him keep throwing up shots at a career low percentage.

There are a few trades out there that could net us assets

Toronto In - Dennis Schroder + 2014 first
Atlanta In - DeMar DeRozan

Toronto In - Perry Jones + Kendrick Perkins + 2014 first
Oklahoma City In - Tyler Hansbrough + Steve Novak

Toronto In - Carlos Boozer + 2014 Chicago Bulls first
Chicago In - Amir Johnson + Kyle Lowry

Raps Assets - 4 2014 first round picks + Ross + JV + Schroder + Perry Jones

Expiring Contracts In 2014 - Boozer + Gay + Perkins + Fields = $50m+

Schroder/2014 is a coup and my guess wouldn't get done. If it did I'd be a huge fan of that. Demar should be retained though still very young and decent offensive player. How does the money balance off with 10 mil Demar for entry level Schroder and a pick? Not going to happen.

PJIII and Perkins without the pick is more realistic for Novak and Hansbrough - do they need 2 more big men?

Boozer and the 2014 I do in a heartbeat.

[TheShocker]

This is how i would like to see it unfold. And as unrealistic as some trades may seem, i dont care. Cheers to hoping we fleece some teams.

Trade #1:

To Charlotte:

Rudy Gay + Landry Fields

To Toronto:

Ben Gordon + Michael Kidd-Gilchrist + Bismack Biyombo

Rationale for Charlotte: They get a "star player" to play with Kemba Walker and Al Jefferson to hopefully make a playoff run. Charlotte get desperate in other words.

Rationale for Toronto: Big expiring in Ben Gordon. Ujiri gets his african project. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist becomes another Demar Derozan type player in Toronto. A hard worker with a good attitude. Waive Gordon.

Trade #2:

To Chicago:

Kyle Lowry

To Toronto:

Marquis Teague + Michael Dunleavy + Charlotte 1st

Rationale for Chicago: Kyle Lowry gives them an opportunity to compete this season. A legit starting point guard.

Rationale for Toronto: Get a project PG + Charlotte 1st rounder to add to rebuild. Dunleavy makes contracts work.

Trade #3:

To Detroit:

Amir Johnson + Terrence Ross + Charlotte 1st

To Toronto:

Greg Monroe + Jonas Jerebko

Rationale for Detroit: Monroe will be due a huge contract this summer, and pick up a solid option to place beside Drummond in Amir Johnson. Terrence Ross is a 3pt shooting threat to space the floor for the Pistons bigs. The take the chance that Charlotte doesnt make the playoffs with the pick.

Rationale for Toronto: Greg Monroe forms a solid frontcourt with Val. Hopefully they are able to coexist as a tandem. Jerebko would be filler.

Draft:

5-8th: Hopefully we get lucky enough and one of Marcus Smart and Dante Exum drop to our pick.
Charlotte 16-20th: BPA

Hire new Coach: George Karl or Lionel Hollins or someone else with experience.
2014-15 Raptors:

Dante Exum or Marcus Smart / Marquis Teague
Demar Derozan / FA
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Steve Novak or FA
Greg Monroe / Tyler Hansbrough
Jonas Val / Aaron Gray or FA

Pray that the moves work out.

[theSkinny]

Steve Nash to the Heat.

Chalmers, Anthony to the Raps (Chalmers is an expiring and Anthony has two left (one an option?) and a pair of 2nds.

DeRozan to the lakers.


Follow up trade

Lowry

For

Sacre, Steve Blake (expiring)

Tank, have two Canucks backing up Val .. Profit.

Chalmers is so much more valuable than Nash

Hello? That's why he is coming here!

[RaptorNews]

Pierce and Mason Plumlee for Gay

[Saul Goodman]

The tank can begin with one trade and that's Kyle Lowry. Masai dosnt even have to look like he's tanking, he can just say that he wasn't confident Kyle would stay in Toronto. Trade Lowry for a first and an expiring and this team implodes

[AbC?]

I would try to get Antetokounmpo from the Bucks but it seems like their management and fans are really high on him. I think he turns out to be a Batum type player or even better. It's too bad we didn't have our draft pick.

Maybe we can sell them on Demar being a core piece . Val/Giannis/Top 5 pick would be a pretty good core going forward, would also lose a lot of games next season to net us another high pick.

[SkywalkerAC]

The tank can begin with one trade and that's Kyle Lowry. Masai dosnt even have to look like he's tanking, he can just say that he wasn't confident Kyle would stay in Toronto. Trade Lowry for a first and an expiring and this team implodes

Doesn't even have to be an expiring as I really don't see Masai aiming for cap space next summer.

[SkywalkerAC]

I would try to get Antetokounmpo from the Bucks but it seems like their management and fans are really high on him. I think he turns out to be a Batum type player or even better. It's too bad we didn't have our draft pick.

Maybe we can sell them on Demar being a core piece . Val/Giannis/Top 5 pick would be a pretty good core going forward, would also lose a lot of games next season to net us another high pick.

I'd usually advise against imagining we can trade for good-looking prospects like Giannis and Shroeder. Their teams are probably just as high on them as you are, if not higher. It's prospects like Bennett, who are struggling, and overpaid due to draft position, that have some chance of being available.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Anybody care to put together an interesting, realistic DeMar DeRozan trade?

I'm not for or against trading DeMar for the record.

I'm just trying to see how Masai is going to reconstruct this team, and aside from the draft, one way he's going to have to do it is through trades, and DeMar is one of the few guys on our team who can bring back some value, for either the present or future.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

I would try to get Antetokounmpo from the Bucks but it seems like their management and fans are really high on him. I think he turns out to be a Batum type player or even better. It's too bad we didn't have our draft pick.

Maybe we can sell them on Demar being a core piece . Val/Giannis/Top 5 pick would be a pretty good core going forward, would also lose a lot of games next season to net us another high pick.

I'd usually advise against imagining we can trade for good-looking prospects like Giannis and Shroeder. Their teams are probably just as high on them as you are, if not higher. It's prospects like Bennett, who are struggling, and overpaid due to draft position, that have some chance of being available.

I'm sure the Bucks are indeed high on Giannis- our only hope lies in that Milwaukee market, it's possible they will not allow the team to wait a couple years. They sell around 3800 fewer tickets than us per night and their roster is a mess. They've got five 6'8- 6'10 rakes, OJ Mayo (so I doubt they take DeMar) and nothing- who knows what they will do, but making the playoffs would never be easier despite their 4-15 record. They should be active.

Atlanta is in the same boat as Milwaukee market-wise (similar attendance) and Schröder is blocked by Teague, so I doubt he is as hard-to-get as he should be either. They should be trying to secure home court and Horford.

[Jeffpiercey]

I think that RG to Dallas makes sense. Mark Cuban has been burned by free agency twice now. The thought of upgrading by trade might feel like a safe move. MC has the go big or go home mentality that might see the big name and history of clutch shots in Rudy Gay and feel he's getting a steal. He's a big gambler.

God forbid, I'll even buckle and say that it might be worth taking back the expiring deal of (pause to vomit in mouth) Vince Take a Dive Carter. But in saying that, I'm also jumping on the "I want Jose back!" If we are gonna aim for the draft, a steady hand, low turnover, high assist mentor and locker room guy for the young guys. Plus my wife liked him and that meant fewer games interrupted for some dance competition show.

I'm not certain on the numbers, but a package around a couple of expiring contracts like Carter and Marion, Jose (nice Legends Night group) and a young prospect like Crowder or Larkin for RG and fillers is doable.

I know people want 2014 picks in deals, but with the spotlight on this years class, what GM could trade their first away and not get KILLED on the boards? Who would we get to give away OUR first this year? The internet would die! What you do need to remember I think, is that a draft position trade means we are essentially trading our first for a better first round pick due to an improved draft position. If a team came and said "I'll give you my #3 pick for your #9 pick straight up." you would have to be pretty dumb to not do that deal. Babcock stupid!

So...

Vince (ugh) $3.5
Marion $9.5
Jose $6.5
Crowder/Larkin $1-ish

$21 million

For

Rudy $18
And..............

My question is, who, from Dallas' standpoint, do we have to include to make the deal work financially and can be enough to justify giving up on the 2014 free agent class?



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[super_balls]

I am really intrigued by Joel Embidd of Kansas and Zach Lavine of UCLA. If we can somehow trade DeRozan for a 2015 first (draft Lavine), move Valanciunas for Embidd this year and select Wiggins (assuming we tank good enough). A core of Lavine, Wiggins and Embidd (and another pick in 2015) surrounded by signed veterans such as a Billups, Randy Foye/Willie Green and Elton Brand type players, ("Keep gettin' em checks" guys) who are willing to teach and help grow the young guys like Charles Oakley, Mugsy Bouges, Dell Curry and Kevin Willis did for Carter and McGrady.

[Edumacated]

I think that RG to Dallas makes sense. Mark Cuban has been burned by free agency twice now. The thought of upgrading by trade might feel like a safe move. MC has the go big or go home mentality that might see the big name and history of clutch shots in Rudy Gay and feel he's getting a steal. He's a big gambler.

God forbid, I'll even buckle and say that it might be worth taking back the expiring deal of (pause to vomit in mouth) Vince Take a Dive Carter. But in saying that, I'm also jumping on the "I want Jose back!" If we are gonna aim for the draft, a steady hand, low turnover, high assist mentor and locker room guy for the young guys. Plus my wife liked him and that meant fewer games interrupted for some dance competition show.

I'm not certain on the numbers, but a package around a couple of expiring contracts like Carter and Marion, Jose (nice Legends Night group) and a young prospect like Crowder or Larkin for RG and fillers is doable.

I know people want 2014 picks in deals, but with the spotlight on this years class, what GM could trade their first away and not get KILLED on the boards? Who would we get to give away OUR first this year? The internet would die! What you do need to remember I think, is that a draft position trade means we are essentially trading our first for a better first round pick due to an improved draft position. If a team came and said "I'll give you my #3 pick for your #9 pick straight up." you would have to be pretty dumb to not do that deal. Babcock stupid!

So...

Vince (ugh) $3.5
Marion $9.5
Jose $6.5
Crowder/Larkin $1-ish

$21 million

For

Rudy $18
And..............

My question is, who, from Dallas' standpoint, do we have to include to make the deal work financially and can be enough to justify giving up on the 2014 free agent class?



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If I were Mark Cuban I would rather have Marion and Carter (who are cheaper than Gay combined and are expiring).
They also already have a closer in Dirk.

[Rapsfan07]

Anybody care to put together an interesting, realistic DeMar DeRozan trade?

I'm not for or against trading DeMar for the record.

I'm just trying to see how Masai is going to reconstruct this team, and aside from the draft, one way he's going to have to do it is through trades, and DeMar is one of the few guys on our team who can bring back some value, for either the present or future.

It's hard to gauge his value and find a team that would give us something worthwhile back.


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