2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th

[Indeed]

Am I the only guy on this board that doesn't have a hard-on for damien inglis? I get it that we need to guard SFs after what joe johnson did to us but apart from having good size and long arms the dude doesn't do anything above average while playing 15 mpg in a french league

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His selling point is he can play point forward like Kyle Anderson. Inglis has good court vision and similar ability as compare to Anderson. I don't think Inglis has a good handle yet, not even at Anderson's ball handling, but he is younger, and he shows he can do the exact same thing as Kyle Anderson if not better on the offensive end.

[Raptorfan2012]

anderson is smooth, but a bit slow

what the team needs is a 3+D player, think kawhi leonard

Kj McDaniels?!

Or like Terrence Ross?

[baulderdash77]

I have thought for a while that KJ McDaniels is the best fit for the Raptors. I like the defensive skillset that he brings and he has good catch & shoot #'s. In our system he could do what Ross does but with better size.

I also like Kyle Anderson I think could also fit for us. He's such a unique talent that I think he's going to have a long and productive career as the 3rd best player on a team.

I'm also fairly high on Payne. He has great size and efficiency. He's a bit between positions but he fits what we're trying to build and I think he could be a starter/6th man for us.

There's a lot of other guys I really like but I expect they're all going to be long gone by the time we pick.

[for_tdot]

anderson is smooth, but a bit slow

what the team needs is a 3+D player, think kawhi leonard

Kj McDaniels?!

Or like Terrence Ross?

McDaniels is better defensively IMO and more athletic. Plus he is stronger.

[OAKLEY_2]

Kj McDaniels?!

Or like Terrence Ross?

McDaniels is better defensively IMO and more athletic. Plus he is stronger.

Another smallish wing uh no. Ross is a way better prospect and player than McDaniels.

[TheGoodDoctor]

Man if Embiid's back checked out ok there's no way I would take Wiggins over him...

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[HolyMage110]

Man if Embiid's back checked out ok there's no way I would take Wiggins over him...

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his agility in the post is just jaw dropping.

[Kevin Willis]

nbadraft.net has us taking Ennis now. I didn't even consider him falling this low, I have to digest whether or not he's now below E Payton.

Edit: Wait they have Napier AND Payton AND Lavine ahead of him. How bad is Ennis looking in his workouts?

[Risk101]

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[Sandman88]

At 20, I think I'm going to say Elfrid Payton is the early favorite if we stay there.

What is he, a pg? pg/sg?? I have no urgency to draft one of those right now. I'd rather a big then another guard. All this is under the notion we are able to bring back both pgs of course

You never draft for need, Best player available is the way to go always.

[ballislife]

nbadraft.net has us taking Ennis now. I didn't even consider him falling this low, I have to digest whether or not he's now below E Payton.

Edit: Wait they have Napier AND Payton AND Lavine ahead of him. How bad is Ennis looking in his workouts?

I think he's a fine prospect considering his age. I hope he drops to us, and everyday I think there's a better chance of it happening. He's going to be good with further development. Great size and length for a PG and his athleticism is underrated because he doesn't use it all that much when he plays. He's capable though. I'd love to have him here learning from Lowry/Vasquez. I can see him getting good minutes beside Vasquez (because GV is 6'6" and has prototypical SG size). GV would also help him on the playmaking side, which would help his development overall. He'd be brought along slowly which is a good thing. Once he hones in on his skills at PG, he's going to be a valuable player in the NBA.

Ennis is my #1 option considering his age/size/length/skill-set as a PG. Not to mention, he'd be coming home.

[Risk101]

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[Rapsobsessed7]

I'd bet on Ennis being there at #20. Payton is rising up draft boards and getting all the hype. My question is where does he fit in?

Lowry (32) / Ennis (16)
Derozan (24) / Vasquez (24)
Ross (27) / Derozan (8) / SF (13)

Is that really a upgrade over our current team? None of our issues are addressed and there's a lack of minutes available. If were drafting Ennis I'd rather S&T Vasquez for a wing player.

[bigmandinky]

At 20, I think I'm going to say Elfrid Payton is the early favorite if we stay there.

What is he, a pg? pg/sg?? I have no urgency to draft one of those right now. I'd rather a big then another guard. All this is under the notion we are able to bring back both pgs of course

You never draft for need, Best player available is the way to go always.

BPA doesn't mean much if he won't get any playing time. Lowry, Vasquez, and De Colo are all currently better and more experienced players than him and can all play and guard both guard positions. Don't see any reason why a player like Payton would thrive here.

[ballislife]

I'd bet on Ennis being there at #20. Payton is rising up draft boards and getting all the hype. My question is where does he fit in?

Lowry (32) / Ennis (16)
Derozan (24) / Vasquez (24)
Ross (27) / Derozan (8) / SF (13)

Is that really a upgrade over our current team? None of our issues are addressed and there's a lack of minutes available. If were drafting Ennis I'd rather S&T Vasquez for a wing player.

That's a perfect distribution of minutes if we have the opportunity of nabbing Ennis. Ennis is not the short term solution... he's our long-term PG once he'd learn from Lowry/Vassquez. In the meantime, he'd add a lot of talent to our guards and he'd grow while helping us have the best PG tandem in the league. I have no problem with that.

Lowry is getting older, so once he regresses at 31/32, Ennis will be ready as a 25/26 year old... similar to what Tony Parker was able to do as a youngin in the league. Ennis having experience learning from Lowry would be huge for our future.

Ennis has a ton of potential, you don't pass on that. Masai even said he'd be surprised if Ennis was available at 20... so it's safe to say he'd take him if he were there. I think there's a very good chance that he's there at 20... and it'd be a steal. I hope it happens.

If Ennis shows a great improvement, I wouldn't mind dealing Lowry for other needs, because Ennis is that good. He can be our future PG without a doubt. I hope it happens. When Ennis is ready to be a starter, we should look to work our team around him/DeRozan/Valanciunas. that's a great young team to build around.

[Ackshun]

I hope I don't bite these words, but I highly doubt Tyler Ennis will ever LEAD a championship team.

I'd pass. Much rather go with Colo, Bikes, and GV in that rotation and use the draft pick on the BPA amongst SG/SF/PF/C

[ballislife]

I hope I don't bite these words, but I highly doubt Tyler Ennis will ever LEAD a championship team.

I'd pass. Much rather go with Colo, Bikes, and GV in that rotation and use the draft pick on the BPA amongst SG/SF/PF/C

He doesn't need to lead us to a ship, but he can be a really good contributing factor if he develops into anything similar to Tony Parker. His game is really close to Parker's... he's definitely not as good at the moment, but he has a very similar game. He can work in the pick and roll, his shot is better than Parker's coming into the league, and he has the passing ability/floater in the paint that he can bring him to that level. His FG% in the paint isn't as good, but there's some good signs that show he can get to that level. He has a great deal of potential as our long-term PG.

Ennis would be great for us. Most people want Payton over Ennis, but IMO Ennis is a better shooter and more of a fundamental PG that can make the easy plays/extra passes that make good team, great. I hope most GM's have the same thought of him, that'll help him come home.

[Dukenukem23]

How much value do you guys put on hand size? It's been my latest obsession and I'm discovering a direct correlation between large hands and success in the NBA. Take Terrence Ross for example, a player limited by short arms yet he has very large hands that have allowed him to do some things he otherwise couldn't. Such as the dunk over Faried he was able to really cock that ball back and contort his body to avoid the block. Having large and and better control of the ball while in the air makes him a much better finisher. It also helps him get steals, make passes etc.

Now to main point. I was just looking over the 2014 combine hand measurements and Kyle Anderson a player I am very high on has very small hands relative to his size. Hand length is only 8.25" and hand width a measly 8.75". If you look at some of the best passers in the game (which is going to be Anderson's calling card) they nearly all have very large hands. Having big hands allows you to throw accurate one handed passes that you otherwise would not be able to.

I wish there was more data to look back on to backup my theory but I don't believe the NBA has been measuring hand size for very many years as I have found a lot of difficulty getting any data on some of the older players. What I've done instead is gone to google images and looked at players hands on a basketball to put it to scale to determine how large their hands are. Lol. Anyways just something to think about....

[cammac]

This is one of the most interesting drafts in many years with maybe the greatest depth with quality players well into 2nd round. I have a feeling that Masai will secure another draft pick likely 23rd, 25th (2015st.) or 27th (NYKs 2016 1st). Players like Porzingis have as much if not more to be a star rather than players like Smart, LaVine and less of a bust than McDermott, Napier, Hood & Early. He has the height and potential skill set to be a player like AK47 with a touch of Dirk. Damn the thought of Jonas 6ft11 C & Kristaps 7ft PF together in a couple years sends shivers down my spine.

20th Porzingis, Anderson, Payton, Ennis
23rd, 25th or 27th Anderson. Payton, Ennis or Inglis (assuming we got a 2nd 1st)
37th Inglis, Bogdanovic, Adams, Bachynski
59th Bachynski, Powell, Birch, Ejim

[Double Helix]

How much value do you guys put on hand size? It's been my latest obsession and I'm discovering a direct correlation between large hands and success in the NBA. Take Terrence Ross for example, a player limited by short arms yet he has very large hands that have allowed him to do some things he otherwise couldn't. Such as the dunk over Faried he was able to really cock that ball back and contort his body to avoid the block. Having large and and better control of the ball while in the air makes him a much better finisher. It also helps him get steals, make passes etc.

Now to main point. I was just looking over the 2014 combine hand measurements and Kyle Anderson a player I am very high on has very small hands relative to his size. Hand length is only 8.25" and hand width a measly 8.75". If you look at some of the best passers in the game (which is going to be Anderson's calling card) they nearly all have very large hands. Having big hands allows you to throw accurate one handed passes that you otherwise would not be able to.

I wish there was more data to look back on to backup my theory but I don't believe the NBA has been measuring hand size for very many years as I have found a lot of difficulty getting any data on some of the older players. What I've done instead is gone to google images and looked at players hands on a basketball to put it to scale to determine how large their hands are. Lol. Anyways just something to think about....

If a lady you like asks you if the shoe size or hand size thing is true the only correct response is, "Only one way to find out." Wait. What are we talking about here. Oh yeah. Basketball.

I think the big hands thing is much more important for full time PFs and Cs. It helps them catch fast passes better in traffic, alley oops in traffic, and tip out rebounds. They haven't tested it long enough for your theory but considering that most of the league's best free throw shooters and 3 point shooters tend to be PGs and SGs there may actually be a small unknown advantage to not having Shaq hands when shooting the basketball. When you saw Shaq hold a basketball it was like an average person holding a tennis ball.

MCW's hand size measured out at 7.5 despite standing 6'6 and he was ROY. John Wall is 6'5 and even better but has 8.25. Kenneth Faried's hand size was 8.25 despite being 6'8. Dante Exum's was 8.5. Greg Monroe and Derrick Favors (6'10-6'11 guys) only measures out at 8'75. I'm sure if we had historical data we'd see fairly weak correlation between the two among guards and wings but stronger correlation for PFs and Cs. But even then... Cory Joseph's 10.25 width puts Andre Drummond's 9.5 width to shame. It's worth knowing for PFs and Cs but it's still only one small piece of the puzzle.