Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23)

[HeadtopChunes]

He's an underrated passer too. Top 10 in assists among bigs and ast/TO ratio.

After Justin Jackson went back to Maryland Jordan Bell became my #1 target. The kid is going to be good. I don't think his value will always show up statistically, but he's a game changing talent. I said it earlier, if he develops a 3 he'll make himself very rich and would be worthy of a lottery selection in this draft.

1) Jordan Bell
2) Jonah Bolden
3) Bam Adebayo
4) Ivan Rabb
5) Semi Ojeleye

...based on the DX mock.

Jordan Bell

29 minutes per game
7 shots per game
no 3s
2.3 blocks 1.3 steals
almost 9 rebounds per game
11 points per game

6 9 heigh 6 11+ wingspan

whilehe doesnt have the measurements Bolden or Swanigan have - he has the steal and blocks stats they have COMBINED. Interesting, need to watch some tape on this lad
is he defending the 3 and the 4? is he playing cleanup on offense or does he have slashing skills?

He's a great rebounder when locked in. He's super atheltic and can be a good roll man. Catch most lobs. He has some semblance of a junper and a good ft% so i think he can get there eventually.Right now he's mostly a dunker. But he's shown flashes of a faceup/post game. He's a 4 but with his really quick feet. He should be able to defend 1-4 in the league with potential for 1-5 if he can get stronger.

[Psubs]

He reminds me of Denis Rodman!

[BoyzNTheHood]

After Justin Jackson went back to Maryland Jordan Bell became my #1 target. The kid is going to be good. I don't think his value will always show up statistically, but he's a game changing talent. I said it earlier, if he develops a 3 he'll make himself very rich and would be worthy of a lottery selection in this draft.

1) Jordan Bell
2) Jonah Bolden
3) Bam Adebayo
4) Ivan Rabb
5) Semi Ojeleye

...based on the DX mock.

Jordan Bell

29 minutes per game
7 shots per game
no 3s
2.3 blocks 1.3 steals
almost 9 rebounds per game
11 points per game

6 9 heigh 6 11+ wingspan

whilehe doesnt have the measurements Bolden or Swanigan have - he has the steal and blocks stats they have COMBINED. Interesting, need to watch some tape on this lad
is he defending the 3 and the 4? is he playing cleanup on offense or does he have slashing skills?

He's a great rebounder when locked in. He's super atheltic and can be a good roll man. Catch most lobs. He has some semblance of a junper and a good ft% so i think he can get there eventually.Right now he's mostly a dunker. But he's shown flashes of a faceup/post game. He's a 4 but with his really quick feet. He should be able to defend 1-4 in the league with potential for 1-5 if he can get stronger.

IMO he's going to defend 1-5 in the NBA, especially since the league is going more to small ball. He said defense is his priority and he wants to defend the oppositions best player.

On offense, he's mostly a hustler. My comparison for him was Shawn Marion. Take note, this kid had 8 blocks to eliminate Kansas in this years NCAA tournament. He raises his game when it matters most.

He's a 3 point jumper away from being the steal of the draft. Being ranked at the end of the first round is blasphemous in my opinion, but it works for us picking late. I honestly have no clue why we haven't brought him in for a workout. This shooting fetish that our management has could cause us to draft an inferior player. People want to draft guys like TJ Leaf and Tyler Lydon. Guess what, Jordan Bell is the guy who will lock them down.

[HangTime]

Is there any way to end up with 3 picks in this years draft?

Ojeleye, Thornwell, and Evans are the 3 players we should look into.

[Psubs]

Is there any way to end up with 3 picks in this years draft?

Ojeleye, Thornwell, and Evans are the 3 players we should look into.

How athletic would it be to have Ojeleye and Bell! Powell - Ojeleye - Bell - Siakiam and Poeltl

[HeadtopChunes]

Jordan Bell

29 minutes per game
7 shots per game
no 3s
2.3 blocks 1.3 steals
almost 9 rebounds per game
11 points per game

6 9 heigh 6 11+ wingspan

whilehe doesnt have the measurements Bolden or Swanigan have - he has the steal and blocks stats they have COMBINED. Interesting, need to watch some tape on this lad
is he defending the 3 and the 4? is he playing cleanup on offense or does he have slashing skills?

He's a great rebounder when locked in. He's super atheltic and can be a good roll man. Catch most lobs. He has some semblance of a junper and a good ft% so i think he can get there eventually.Right now he's mostly a dunker. But he's shown flashes of a faceup/post game. He's a 4 but with his really quick feet. He should be able to defend 1-4 in the league with potential for 1-5 if he can get stronger.

IMO he's going to defend 1-5 in the NBA, especially since the league is going more to small ball. He said defense is his priority and he wants to defend the oppositions best player.

On offense, he's mostly a hustler. My comparison for him was Shawn Marion. Take note, this kid had 8 blocks to eliminate Kansas in this years NCAA tournament. He raises his game when it matters most.

He's a 3 point jumper away from being the steal of the draft. Being ranked at the end of the first round is blasphemous in my opinion, but it works for us picking late. I honestly have no clue why we haven't brought him in for a workout. This shooting fetish that our management has could cause us to draft an inferior player. People want to draft guys like TJ Leaf and Tyler Lydon. Guess what, Jordan Bell is the guy who will lock them down.

We'll probably work him out probably scheduling at this point. We worked out Motley who is a similar type of prospect so I don't see why Bell wouldn't be in the running. I really like Bell especially if all his skills can translate.

[HeadtopChunes]

http://www.odetooden.com/home/2017/5/31/jordan-bell-a-test-case-for-fit


Here's an interesting article on Jordan Bell. Basically talks about his Bells window for greatness is now in the small ball era until Big players like KAT, AD, Giannis etc. Take over. And Bells value is lowered because he doesn't have the strength to hang on with these guys. He cites Bell as a short term piece for a contending team not a long term piece for a rebuilding one.

[Tofubeque]

IMO he's going to defend 1-5 in the NBA, especially since the league is going more to small ball. He said defense is his priority and he wants to defend the oppositions best player.

On offense, he's mostly a hustler. My comparison for him was Shawn Marion. Take note, this kid had 8 blocks to eliminate Kansas in this years NCAA tournament. He raises his game when it matters most.

He's a 3 point jumper away from being the steal of the draft. Being ranked at the end of the first round is blasphemous in my opinion, but it works for us picking late. I honestly have no clue why we haven't brought him in for a workout. This shooting fetish that our management has could cause us to draft an inferior player. People want to draft guys like TJ Leaf and Tyler Lydon. Guess what, Jordan Bell is the guy who will lock them down.

If Lydon shoots 40% from 3 in the NBA like he did in college, that changes the geometry of the floor. So Bell better be able to shut down PGs attacking the PNR with zero help, or they'll be kicking it out to a Lydon type and forcing a scramble situation.

Not saying I don't like Bell, but we need to find elite shooting at some point. If we keep drafting Siakam-level shooters and hoping they develop a 3, they'll probably max out around 30-32%, if we're lucky. We just saw what happens in the playoffs when your team is full of 30% 3pt shooters.

[Troubadour]

Updated board for me:

1. Semi Ojeleye
2. Jonathan Jeanne
3. Jonah Bolden
4. Caleb Swanigan
5. Jordan Bell

Any of those five would be exciting to get on draft night, I think.

[Lord_Zedd]

Who are the players in our range?
Who should we draft?

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Ugh, I'm gonna be pissed if someone takes him before us now. The guy's going to be a stud. Shuttup Fraschilla we don't need you pumping him up. lol

Some dude on reddit posted a writeup on Jonah Bolden and I'm definitely on board

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/6djgol/whats_with_jonah_bolden/di3gw1g/

I don't understand draftexpress ranking of Bolden. Last year Luwawu shot up in the DX draft charts for his strong season in the ABA league - whispers of being a lottery pick. At the age of 21

This year Bolden at the age of 21, is having a better season than Luwawu and won the ABA top prospect. Same award won by Saric, and Jokic. We can say all we want about the 2016 draft class, but apparently Zizic could have been a lottery pick this year if he declared 2017. Another winner of the ABA top prospect award.

His skillset along with his size/length is quite the interesting combo. A willing defender against grown men with the ability to switch, and someone who can actually handle the ball. We have nobody outside our guards who can handle the ball or make a pass. He can already shoot the NBA 3 ball with a high volume near 40%.

[HeadtopChunes]

Updated board for me:

1. Semi Ojeleye
2. Jonathan Jeanne
3. Jonah Bolden
4. Caleb Swanigan
5. Jordan Bell

Any of those five would be exciting to get on draft night, I think.

I like that list add Dj Wilson and Thornwell and Its lit

[CoachJReturns]

I'd be fine with taking Bolden. I need to see a lot more of him, but a 3/4 who can shoot and defend at least fits well with the current roster. Considering Masai seems to want this core until it breaks down completely, might as well get another guy who they can play with.
(I'd still prefer a rebuild though.)

[RaptorsLife]

http://www.odetooden.com/home/2017/5/31/jordan-bell-a-test-case-for-fit


Here's an interesting article on Jordan Bell. Basically talks about his Bells window for greatness is now in the small ball era until Big players like KAT, AD, Giannis etc. Take over. And Bells value is lowered because he doesn't have the strength to hang on with these guys. He cites Bell as a short term piece for a contending team not a long term piece for a rebuilding one.

Nobody gonna be able to guard those 3 in there primes lol

Jordan be not being able to ain't really a issue

[Raptorfan2012]

I still think we should start looking at candidates in the mid second round too. I have a feeling Masai is going to use this pick to trade down to get rid of Carroll or maybe even JV

[HeadtopChunes]

I still think we should start looking at candidates in the mid second round too. I have a feeling Masai is going to use this pick to trade down to get rid of Carroll or maybe even JV

Caroll probably has negative value but JV should still be able to get assets back.

[CoachJReturns]

I still think we should start looking at candidates in the mid second round too. I have a feeling Masai is going to use this pick to trade down to get rid of Carroll or maybe even JV

No thanks. This team will be virtually the same and in the same place regardless of whether Carroll is here until the end of his contract or not. Better to keep the highest pick possible and draft BPA.
And we shouldn't need to trade down to just to dump JV. He's not on a bargain contract right now, but it's not an awful one either. Remember, Masai was trying to include Jonas in deals for guys like Cousins and Drummond, who regardless of their flaws are still all-star caliber guys. He won't dump JV. He'll wait for a good deal.

[Raptorfan2012]

I still think we should start looking at candidates in the mid second round too. I have a feeling Masai is going to use this pick to trade down to get rid of Carroll or maybe even JV

No thanks. This team will be virtually the same and in the same place regardless of whether Carroll is here until the end of his contract or not. Better to keep the highest pick possible and draft BPA.
And we shouldn't need to trade down to just to dump JV. He's not on a bargain contract right now, but it's not an awful one either. Remember, Masai was trying to include Jonas in deals for guys like Cousins and Drummond, who regardless of their flaws are still all-star caliber guys. He won't dump JV. He'll wait for a good deal.

Carroll's contract, while not crippling, is doing us no favors. We need to free up that money to re-sign our other guys while trying to decrease the tax bill. Tucker fits our team better anyways. If MLSE doesn't want to pay that much tax, Masai will have to cut some salary, and Carroll is expendable.

[OAKLEY_2]

1. Leaf
2. Ferguson
3. Bam
4. Swani
5. Semi

Tell me it will be none these guys... I am almost willing to lay bets one of these names is the pick.

[OAKLEY_2]

I was always on the trade Joseph no-brainer bandwagon but shelling out 30+ for KL is a scary scenario. If we could get Mitchell as a guard I might walk from Lowry. Then Joseph is suddenly important to us. It is one of those thank me later situations. Then you can sell high on Demar or not whatever the pleasure. We will not know what kind of build we have until we are in it. Will Masai walk from Lowry? See the fire Casey file for the answer to that question. If the Pistons actually want no part of the 12th and like Joseph and say the Weltman pick I would think Masai was a genius.

I don't think Mitchell can replace Lowry. Maybe a couple years down the line he'll be a good starter. But he's not even a real PG. More of a SG in a PGs body. We'd just end up being a 30-40 win team

That's what we thought when we traded Gay for party favours.

Ideally we sell high on Demar. If KL goes you keep Joseph. Works just fine.

[super_balls]

I'm down for Semi. I think he can be a Bigger and Stronger Crowder. In the right defensive system, he can be real good.