Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread

[SurgeIblocka]

I think the best prospect we could get is Ausar, not sure if Det is willing to do it. No top free agent is signing with them, they have a better chance on Siakam by offering 5th year. Otherwise they are stuck in pergatory

[720]

You guys are being overly critical of Kuminga.

These are his numbers since December.



Yes his three point percentage is bad, but look at his field goal percentage, look at the level of production he is providing in just 26 minutes a game. We can fix his shooting, he isn’t an Achiuwa.

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BRING HIM HOME!

[djsunyc]

how about this:

pascal + otto + temple

for

lonzo + pat williams + alex caruso + ayo dosummu

[PhilBlackson]

Likely because Indiana is not interested? Indiana would only be interested if he says that he's willing to resign (something he refused to do with the kings).

Warriors are probably more inclined to make a move for Siakam because they are more confident in retaining him in the summer.

If Siakam was on a longer contract, we would have had a bidding war. By letting him get this far, management has backed themselves into a corner. The only teams that will be willing to trade for Siakam will be the ones that are confident they can resign him (without giving him 5 years).

OKC and Indiana have the best packages in theory but they would need a firm commitment from Siakam which doesn't seem likely.
Warriors and Dallas have decent offers and they would be more confident in resigning him.

It’s already been reported multiple times that IND is interested AND confident they could re-sign him soooooo?!?

Please show this report. I'm sure indiana is interested, he would be a great fit. Where is the Pacers' confidence coming from?
Every report that comes out is saying that Siakam wants to test free agency.

If Pacers feel they can retain him, we need to make a deal.

I’m writing from my phone but if you do a simple google search you’ll find it (not saying that sarcastically). I know I’ve read it on more than one occasion though and I’m sure their confidence comes from the fact they’d offer him the max he’s seeking, he’s a great fit in the lineup and obviously that they’re a winning team with a superstar player that other players love playing with. Not to mention he’d have an entire locker room and franchise trying to win him over daily which would probably feel great in stark contrast to how he’s being treated here. I’m not saying that means he would stay but I can understand why they at least have a level of confidence as to why they’d be able to retain him.

[gerrit4]

can make it as soon as that pascal trade hits lol

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always liked him at arkansas

funny how he was getting DNP's all year and now they are clearly showcasing him

he's a better prospect than Kuminga by a mile. Shooter, smart and a system player

I would take Moody every time over Kuminga. I think Moody has an actual role as a potential starter on a winning team. Kuminga is the flash no substance player that you should always avoid. Cant shoot, mediocre defender, low BBIQ...keep him away from this team.

The one thing to consider about GSW is that they have a history of getting vet minimum guys at the deadline. They could probably replace the depth (of whoever they trade) a lot easier than we think.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Pascal will absolutely not play for Nick Nurse again But it's smart that his agent is leaking out that interest. He's securing the bag now that Kawhi extended.

[mademan]

You guys are being overly critical on Kuminga.

These are his numbers since December.



Yes his three point percentage is bad, but look at his field goal percentage, look at the level of production he is providing in just 26 minutes a game. We can fix his shooting, he isn’t an Achiuwa.

Watch on YouTube

BRING HIM HOME!

How do you fix a jumper thats been broken for 3 years straight? lol. You dont think GSW trainers have ben trying to get him to re-work it?

Ya, he isnt Precious, but he's the same mold. More explosive and more of a wing, but a terrible shooter and a poor decision maker who is maybe average defensively. He's just not a good prospect...everybody always love the potential of these guys, but modern NBA has shown the value of actual basketball skill over raw athleticism. Moody and Podz >>>Kuminga

[gerrit4]

I think the best prospect we could get is Ausar, not sure if Det is willing to do it. No top free agent is signing with them, they have a better chance on Siakam by offering 5th year. Otherwise they are stuck in pergatory

The attractive thing about Ausar (or Walker, or anyone from this draft) would be that we'd have some time to develop them and not have to pay them much for a while. But as far as I can tell, Ausor is really raw. He's averaging 8ppg and shooting 14% from 3.

I'm guessing we'd want at least one rotation player in the trade, so something like Beef Stew, Harris and Ausar starts to make a bit of sense.

[mademan]

Pascal will absolutely not play for Nick Nurse again But it's smart that his agent is leaking out that interest. He's securing the bag now that Kawhi extended.

Harden did the same with Houston last year. Didnt really work out in the end, but you should always let it leak that there is massive interest

[PhilBlackson]

I think the best prospect we could get is Ausar, not sure if Det is willing to do it. No top free agent is signing with them, they have a better chance on Siakam by offering 5th year. Otherwise they are stuck in pergatory

He is the best prospect imo too.

He’s not the best fit but when you’re rebuilding I think it’s most important to get the best talent and sort it out later if it really remains that big of an issue. But if we can further clean up Ausar’s shooting (he did shoot mid 30s in OTE so it’s not as bad as some make it out to be), I think he just needs to tweak some of the stuff he does with his lower body. But he’s VERY quick laterally and still a pretty good leaper too. If he continues to add to his game he definitely has star potential. He’s already one of the best defenders in the league. I’d LOVE to get him if it were possible.

Just like at the draft, I’d be very torn between him & Jarace Walker, I like Ausar’s upside more but not by a ton and I think Walker is the more natural fit. If both were offered I’d have a very hard time deciding which one to go with.

[Michael Jordan]

GSW is 1.5 games behind 10th. By the time the trade deadline is here it might be too late for them to make a push for the playoffs. We might see them shut down Curry + Klay and just tank at that point.

The time for them to act is now.

[ArthurVandelay]

It would absolutely be a huge blow to the team if Pascal walks. That would mean our FO got zero assets for two All-Stars. Other FOs have been fired for way less.

Better than taking back pieces that don’t fit or salary that makes you have to trade picks on future years to get off it

Strongly disagree.

In no world is walking away with nothing better than something.

I’ll say first that I don’t believe for a second that out of 4-5 suitors (especially DET who likely only be willing to part with current players) that we can’t get at least one package that has a higher upside prospect…

But in an absolute worst case having several additional picks plus other rotation players that you could also likely flip for more later ones is better than him just walking away especially when we’ve never been FA destination. It’s why ppl think NYK and Utah can get involved in bigger deals down the line especially when there are future cap alterations that are apparently going to lead to teams needing to trade players away to avoid the different aprons.

Not to mention the very players we’ve traded or may still traded were ironically drafted in the 20s (OG - 20th, Pascal - 27th and heck IQ was 26th) lol so it’s crazy to say that it’s better to walk away with nothing when all those picks may net you the level of players back again.

You’re talking as if you know the offers. You don’t know the offers, none of us do.

If the offers are crap, then it’s best to walk away and use the cap space this summer to facilitate trades or sign a FA or get creative like Indiana did with Turner.

Fwiw, Huerter-Barnes-Mitchell is crap, imo.

[mrdressup]

Man, I hope we're first to the trade market on Jan. 15th. This business of waiting out the inevitable is dragging out the pain.

[StopitLeo]

A trade can certainly be reached over the coming weeks. But for all those complications, rival executives are prepared for the possibility that Siakam could remain in Toronto, where the Raptors would have to consider extending him. The parameters surrounding a Siakam trade aren’t going to change. Why should any team risk sending out valuable rotation players and draft capital for a veteran who could simply net out as a half-season rental? And why should a team projected to have cap space, that believes it can be the lucky bidder to land Siakam come June 30, sacrifice anything similar? Both Indiana and Detroit will have serious room to play with this summer. So will Philadelphia, with Siakam’s former Raptors head coach, Nick Nurse, manning the bench, and that has league personnel pinning the Sixers as another potential free-agency bogeyman to scare off Siakam trade-deadline bids.

Assuming Pascal would get the same contract offer from each team, some reasons would include:

1) An older team with a rapidly closing championship window. The team recognizes that any players given up for Siakam weren't going to be franchise cornerstones in the inevitable rebuild and that in the future they can trade their aging vets to contenders for picks and/or prospects. -> GSW, LAL

2) A team that has under-performed in the playoffs and is at risk of their MVP level player asking for a trade because of the lack of success. The team recognizes that their ability to add an impact player by any other means is low and that any player(s) they are reluctant to trade won't raise their competitive ceiling as much as a big scoring All-NBA two-way wing—their MVP level player knows this as well. They either take a calculated risk hoping they can re-sign Siakam or they accept continuing along a flat trajectory. -> DAL

3) A young team with an MVP calibre star looking to add an All-NBA player knowing that the players they would trade are unlikely to reach that level. The team believes that being able to recruit him during the rest of the season will give them an advantage because they aren't a big free agent destination. -> IND, OKC (long-shot)

[pharring]

I think the best prospect we could get is Ausar, not sure if Det is willing to do it. No top free agent is signing with them, they have a better chance on Siakam by offering 5th year. Otherwise they are stuck in pergatory

I don't think Ausar fits our timeline, but I am certainly not going to be upset if he were to land here somehow.

While I don't think DET would give him up, there is one scenario that could entice them... If we send Pascal to GS for a package that includes Draymond... and then we send Draymond to DET for Ausar:

To TOR: Wiggins, Ausar (plus some pick compensation)
To DET: Draymond
To GS: Pascal, Burks

[ArthurVandelay]

I think the best prospect we could get is Ausar, not sure if Det is willing to do it. No top free agent is signing with them, they have a better chance on Siakam by offering 5th year. Otherwise they are stuck in pergatory

I don't think Ausar fits our timeline, but I am certainly not going to be upset if he were to land here somehow.

While I don't think DET would give him up, there is one scenario that could entice them... If we send Pascal to GS for a package that includes Draymond... and then we send Draymond to DET for Ausar:

To TOR: Wiggins, Ausar (plus some pick compensation)
To DET: Draymond
To GS: Pascal, Burks

He’d have a lot of young guys to punch, that’s for sure

[Zeno]

On the Woj pod, right at the end, he mentions that Pascal's agent was at the Clippers game and that Masai and Bobby were "in and out" as well. whatever that means

[SurgeIblocka]

I like Ausar because of his defensive potential more than Walker. Our team needs D right now because i don’t think we will have trouble scoring. If we get Ausar and somehow Gradey turns into a serviceable bench shooter we are set. That team has potential for growth and an exciting future.

[NBA48mins]

Man, I hope we're first to the trade market on Jan. 15th. This business of waiting out the inevitable is dragging out the pain.

Sorry why the jan 15th date?

[Raps in 4]

On the Woj pod, right at the end, he mentions that Pascal's agent was at the Clippers game and that Masai and Bobby were "in and out" as well. whatever that means

Kawhi is coming home.