Chat with Chad Ford: Bynum/Bosh trade a good possiblity.

[pspot]

I'd love to include Jose and I think the Lakers would like to add him but at what level of the luxury tax are they willing to go into ?

I suggested Bynum, Vuj and Walton for Bosh and Jose a while back
- I think the Raps take on Walton to get out of Jose's contract and get the expiring contract of Vuj

Maybe include Farmar and Beli to make it even bigger

[LakersMoscow]

As much as like Bosh, I don't think it's a good idea. We don't need another shooter cause there's not enough ball even for Pau. A Kendrick Perkins and Kirk Hinrich types is what the Lakers need.
I hope bosh resigns with Toronto.

[Rapsobsessed7]

i would do a deal of.

Chris Bosh + Jose Calderon + Cash for Luke Walton + Andrew Bynum + Sasha Vujacic + 2011 1st.

I would LOVE it if the 1st was taken out along with Walton and substituted for brown (S&T)

[wtcantfw]

I'd love to include Jose and I think the Lakers would like to add him but at what level of the luxury tax are they willing to go into ?

I suggested Bynum, Vuj and Walton for Bosh and Jose a while back
- I think the Raps take on Walton to get out of Jose's contract and get the expiring contract of Vuj

Maybe include Farmar and Beli to make it even bigger

Assuming we could do Bynum for Bosh straight up in a S&T (value wise), a Vujacic+Walton return on Jose is terrible. I'd rather keep him (did I just say that?).

[Tony_Montana]

I don't believe the Bynum for Bosh rumours in the sleightest (it just makes no sense for LA) but hey, spread em far and wide, because it will perhaps establish some idea that the Raps will get something good in return for him... if he leaves, of course.

LA becomes a much better team if this trade goes through. This deal makes sense for both sides financially and basketball-wise. Any fan on either team complaining it's not a good trade for them is delusional.

[Jose_Matador]

I don't believe the Bynum for Bosh rumours in the sleightest (it just makes no sense for LA) but hey, spread em far and wide, because it will perhaps establish some idea that the Raps will get something good in return for him... if he leaves, of course.

LA becomes a much better team if this trade goes through. This deal makes sense for both sides financially and basketball-wise. Any fan on either team complaining it's not a good trade for them is delusional.

This.

One of the most balanced and non-lopsided S&T deals in a while.


Also it doesn't get better than this, it gives both players involved an opportunity to prove themselves. Bosh as a winner and Bynum as an all star center.

[pspot]

I'd love to include Jose and I think the Lakers would like to add him but at what level of the luxury tax are they willing to go into ?

I suggested Bynum, Vuj and Walton for Bosh and Jose a while back
- I think the Raps take on Walton to get out of Jose's contract and get the expiring contract of Vuj

Maybe include Farmar and Beli to make it even bigger

Assuming we could do Bynum for Bosh straight up in a S&T (value wise), a Vujacic+Walton return on Jose is terrible. I'd rather keep him (did I just say that?).

I'm not sure you could get anything for Jose at this point and his contract is only going to get worse

I'd be willing to take on Walton, cause you are getting Vujacic's expiring contract to go with Evans, Banks and Beli, which gives the Raps over 20 million in expiring contracts.

[J-Roc]

As much as like Bosh, I don't think it's a good idea. We don't need another shooter cause there's not enough ball even for Pau. A Kendrick Perkins and Kirk Hinrich types is what the Lakers need.
I hope bosh resigns with Toronto.

Umm, but Chris Bosh is one of the best players in the NBA. You HAVE to want him.

[richiedanger]

Would Chris Bosh + Jose Calderon

for

Andrew Bynum + Ron Artest work ?

Jose and Pau have that Spaniard connection and it's pretty obvious DFish is over the hill. I'll take some more draft picks and some scrubs + bynum for that deal

[James_Raptors]

If Bynum stays relatively healthy this sounds like the best single asset we could get in return.
Of course, if health becomes a problem, then (in heinsight) other deals would've made more sense. But you can't re-write history after the fact. If LA is on board with this trade you make it (and the risks involved). Adding someone like Jack too, without little compensation in return would suck for us. If we're sending a pg out in this speculated package I hope it's Jose.

[wtcantfw]

If Bynum stays relatively healthy this sounds like the best single asset we could get in return.
Of course, if health becomes a problem, then (in heinsight) other deals would've made more sense. But you can't re-write history after the fact. If LA is on board with this trade you make it (and the risks involved). Adding someone like Jack too, without little compensation in return would suck for us. If we're sending a pg out in this speculated package I hope it's Jose.

If LA is able to pry Jack away from us along with Bosh, they'd be absolutely DEADLY.

[Neutral 123]

surprisingly, bynum and pau aren't that great of a fit together. spacing is really compromised when they are both on the floor. pau's midrange jump shot is good, but certainly not good enough for him to play the high post ala bosh. on the defensive end, they're simply too slow. pau does not have the foot speed of traditional pf's, and the pick n roll defense suffers. i think both pau and bynum would be way better with bosh next to them.

It's about the current make up of the entire team. I think Pau is better with his back to the basket as well, but he's plenty effective in the high post, and he's only there for short periods because Bynum isn't a primary option. As for how they combine defensively, that's why they have Odom. If certain matchups become a problem, they have Odom off the bench. What they would lose with Bosh is size and toughness around the basket. They've already had the soft label at times as is, that only becomes more glaring with Bosh instead of Bynum.

This is really about health or maybe attitude. I don't see the Lakers doing this unless they believe Bynum isn't going to be healthy.


How much is ownership going to pay in salary? An extra 6 million a year for Bosh because they are over the cap. What's their pg situation looking like next year? I don't see the kind of development that suggests Farmar can start next year. What about their bench? Is Brown and another guy going to step up and be consistent enough to strengthen their bench? To me they have more pressing issues going forward.

How is the ball going to be shared? Is Kobe going to give up shots? What about Gasol?

Bosh is clearly a much better player than Bynum, but Bynum plays a position that's hard to fill, and he plays a role that better complements that current roster.

To me, if the Lakers don't want Bynum, then we shouldn't want him either, because the only way I see the Lakers giving him up is if he's seriously damaged goods.

[James_Raptors]

If Bynum stays relatively healthy this sounds like the best single asset we could get in return.
Of course, if health becomes a problem, then (in heinsight) other deals would've made more sense. But you can't re-write history after the fact. If LA is on board with this trade you make it (and the risks involved). Adding someone like Jack too, without little compensation in return would suck for us. If we're sending a pg out in this speculated package I hope it's Jose.

If LA is able to pry Jack away from us along with Bosh, they'd be absolutely DEADLY.

The conspiracy theorist in me:
-BC has suggested that we'll be moving a PG this off-season.
-Rumor was this Bynum/Bosh trade was discussed during the season.
-Jack, supposedly came to Toronto this season to play with his good buddy Bosh.
-LA needs a new PG.

[Neutral 123]

i would do a deal of.

Chris Bosh + Jose Calderon + Cash for Luke Walton + Andrew Bynum + Sasha Vujacic + 2011 1st.

I would LOVE it if the 1st was taken out along with Walton and substituted for brown (S&T)

Does this only work with both Sasha and Luke included? I don't know why the Raps would be looking to add more bad salary.

[pspot]

i would do a deal of.

Chris Bosh + Jose Calderon + Cash for Luke Walton + Andrew Bynum + Sasha Vujacic + 2011 1st.

I would LOVE it if the 1st was taken out along with Walton and substituted for brown (S&T)

Does this only work with both Sasha and Luke included? I don't know why the Raps would be looking to add more bad salary.

Walton would be like cutting Jose's bad contract in half.
Vujacic is an expiring so it has value

If its Jack though, I'd want Vujacic and Shannon Brown or Farmar and 2011 1st

[Neutral 123]

i would do a deal of.

Chris Bosh + Jose Calderon + Cash for Luke Walton + Andrew Bynum + Sasha Vujacic + 2011 1st.

I would LOVE it if the 1st was taken out along with Walton and substituted for brown (S&T)

Does this only work with both Sasha and Luke included? I don't know why the Raps would be looking to add more bad salary.

Walton would be like cutting Jose's bad contract in half.
Vujacic is an expiring so it has value

If its Jack though, I'd want Vujacic and Shannon Brown or Farmar and 2011 1st

Interesting... That might be the best we can hope for when it comes to Jose's contract. I don't see them wanting Jose though.

[AfricanSensation]

Maybe the rule changed but I thought you could not add extra player in a sign and trade, meaning you can sign and trade Bosh for multiple players, but not Bosh and player X for package Y.

[pspot]

Interesting... That might be the best we can hope for when it comes to Jose's contract. I don't see them wanting Jose though.

the hope is that with the need for an upgrade at the PG position, with his ability to hit the 3 and stretch the d and with his relationship with Pau, and ability run the pick and role they'd want him

[power works]

Now Sam Smith is saying that even if the Lakers win the title they'll still retool the roster, which makes the likelihood for a Bynum for Bosh swap very good.

http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_100524.html

The so-called X-factor is the Lakers. The Raptors most want to deal with the Lakers if they cannot resign Bosh because they then could get Bosh out of the East and they could get a center, their greatest need, Andrew Bynum or Pau Gasol. The Lakers have to be considered the favorite to win the title, so would they break up the team with a chance to three-peat? The talk about the Lakers is they would have done it—if they do win again—basically with Bynum. Kobe Bryant long has been no fan of Bynum’s. Bynum certainly is a risk with all his injuries, but he is a rare, legitimate center. Toronto has made no secret if it does a sign-and-trade it most wants a center so they can play Andrea Bargnani at “stretch” power forward. That would seem to eliminate the Bulls.

[Rapsobsessed7]

lets get this **** doneeee.

Bosh for Bynum + Sasha