Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9

[ty123]

Drafting Barnes @ #2 is stupid.

This guy has so many holes in his game.

Interesting. Who would you pick at 2nd? I'm just waiting to dig the holes in your opinion of 2nd pick lol.

There will be a ton of guys better than Harrison Barnes in this draft. MKG, Bradley Beal, Austin Rivers, Sullinger Lamb etc...

[vaff87]

I'm pretty convinced that Thomas Robinson is the 2nd best player in this draft.

[Undefeated]

Drafting Barnes @ #2 is stupid.

This guy has so many holes in his game.

Interesting. Who would you pick at 2nd? I'm just waiting to dig the holes in your opinion of 2nd pick lol.

There will be a ton of guys better than Harrison Barnes in this draft. MKG, Bradley Beal, Austin Rivers, Sullinger...

Austin Rivers

[U_Mad]

He's gotta declare I think. I don't think being at UNC is doing him any favours really. Plus he'll lose all of his teammates.

What's the UNC recruiting class like next year? Um, I need Sunny to answer this for me too.

very good but really different for unc. They got a bunch of guys signed but none are elite, or really even close to it. The best is Marcus paige who is an all american. Brice Johnson will be a solid player at PF to replace Henson. I havnt see the other two guys so I cant comment.

In 2013 they have an amazing pg in NAte Britt who I really like

Paige is the #1 ranked pg in the country, they will shift bullock over to SF Macdoo to PF, Hairston will play SG and Hubert (this years recruit) and James next years recruit can battle for the C postion, plus strickland/mcdonald will also be back i believe, so they'll be pretty set for next year

[ballislife]

Analysis:

I see Thomas Robinson as a SF in the league and not a PF. He'll excel because he actually has some handles and an outside shot.

There's no way Anthony Davis will thrive as a PF in the league because he's just way too wiry and will be bodied by opposing big men. Quincy Acy physically dominated him in today's game, imagine what real NBA players will do to him in the paint. He'll be a good weak side defender but with below average offense and a skinny frame like that I don't see him being more than a very rich mans Hakim Warrick.

Barnes played well. I like his game, especially his jumper and i was happy with his willingness to drive into the paint today. However, all of you calling for us to draft Barnes must understand that we'll unlikely get him as there are a handful of teams with worse records that he will likely fall to.

Perry Jones is a piece of sh*t. I used to be a supporter of his in the fall but during the last month of the season before the tournament he completely folded and stopped producing. He ought to work on his game and stay in school or else he's going to be a very late 1st rounder.

lol this is exactly what was called out before , the coddling of barnes and the ripping apart of jones.

Robinson doesn't have a SF game. He's suited for PF because he's physical and he has the strength needed at the NBA level... plus he's a great rebounder.

Anthony Davis will be an all-star NBA PF in a few years. He might be able to play some SF, but that's taking away his greatest strength... shot blocking and lane intimidation. Look at KG, then think about what you're saying about the guy. He'll gain some strength, there's no question about that. He's a legit #1 NBA pick. He's already lightyears ahead of Hakim Warrick, you're analysis isn't much of an analysis when it comes to AD. He has excellent handles for a big man, not to mention a decent outside shot to go along with it. Then his defence... c'mon... there's no way you just compared him to Warrick...

[StringerBell]

Yup that's exactly what Casey has already said. If we want to make "strides" next season... two rookies aren't going to take us where we want to go. I don't mind the thought, but only if it's for some legit guys that are in the same age group as Bargnani (aka Rondo/Gay).

DD/Gay/Bargnani/JJ/Val is a nice core.
Rondo/DD/Bargs/Val is nice too hahaha....add a shooter to spread the floor and that's a nice 5 man group.

[Marlo Stanfield]

I didn't get to watch the UNC game. Anyone wanna give me a recap on Barnes, McAdoo and Robinson?

[sunny]

very good but really different for unc. They got a bunch of guys signed but none are elite, or really even close to it. The best is Marcus paige who is an all american. Brice Johnson will be a solid player at PF to replace Henson. I havnt see the other two guys so I cant comment.

In 2013 they have an amazing pg in NAte Britt who I really like[/quote]

Paige is the #1 ranked pg in the country, they will shift bullock over to SF Macdoo to PF, Hairston will play SG and Hubert (this years recruit) and James next years recruit can battle for the C postion, plus strickland/mcdonald will also be back i believe, so they'll be pretty set for next year[/quote]

this is the worst pg class in years. I don't see him as an instant impact type player at all, although in Roy Williams system, maybe he can excel. They are losing Henson, Marshall, Zeller and Barnes (and maybe Mcadoo); they won't be nearly as good as they were this year but still a solid team.

[StMikes31]

Chad Ford:

@chadfordinsider: Our Top 5 coming into the weekend stays the same: 1. A. Davis 2. MKG 3. B. Beal 4. T. Robinson 5. A. Drummond.

I agree with this top 5. Davis, MKG and Beal have been the 3 best in the tourney IMO

[Sizzle]

I havent been paying a lot of attention to the draft thus far, but.... Watching MKG, he's got that fire and energy that I think would be great for the Raps, my only worry..... Is he too much like Terrence Williams?
Am I way off here? Does he have an NBA handle? Does he do anything good enough to be a top end player or is he just an energy guy?

[ty123]

Chad Ford:

@chadfordinsider: Our Top 5 coming into the weekend stays the same: 1. A. Davis 2. MKG 3. B. Beal 4. T. Robinson 5. A. Drummond.

I agree with this top 5. Davis, MKG and Beal have been the 3 best in the tourney IMO

Draft is weaker than I thought it was.

[Dr Positivity]

I havent been paying a lot of attention to the draft thus far, but.... Watching MKG, he's got that fire and energy that I think would be great for the Raps, my only worry..... Is he too much like Terrence Williams?
Am I way off here? Does he have an NBA handle? Does he do anything good enough to be a top end player or is he just an energy guy?

Most of the issue with T Will is mental. He has a feel for the game that's about as good as Joey Graham's was. I think he was more athletically gifted than MKG even.

MKG reminds me more of Richard Jefferson

[sunny]

Chad Ford:

@chadfordinsider: Our Top 5 coming into the weekend stays the same: 1. A. Davis 2. MKG 3. B. Beal 4. T. Robinson 5. A. Drummond.

I agree with this top 5. Davis, MKG and Beal have been the 3 best in the tourney IMO

I view Drummond as a wildcard who could go anywhere.

but something like this

Anthony Davis


Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Thomas Robinson Andre Drummond


Brad Beal
Jarred Sullinger


Jeremy Lamb
Harrison Barnes

(if Cody Zeller and James Mcadoo declare, it will change things up a bit)

[Dr Positivity]

Beal, MKG and Robinson have separated themselves as the 2-4, in terms of draft stock IMO

[ballislife]

I havent been paying a lot of attention to the draft thus far, but.... Watching MKG, he's got that fire and energy that I think would be great for the Raps, my only worry..... Is he too much like Terrence Williams?
Am I way off here? Does he have an NBA handle? Does he do anything good enough to be a top end player or is he just an energy guy?

MKG has that "it" factor. He's 110% a team guy. He looks like a perfect guy to play for Casey... he'd love him. He doesn't have that same immaturity as Williams... that's the main difference between the two. He has a will to win and become better... that's going to take him far.

[kingz32]

Analysis:

I see Thomas Robinson as a SF in the league and not a PF. He'll excel because he actually has some handles and an outside shot.

There's no way Anthony Davis will thrive as a PF in the league because he's just way too wiry and will be bodied by opposing big men. Quincy Acy physically dominated him in today's game, imagine what real NBA players will do to him in the paint. He'll be a good weak side defender but with below average offense and a skinny frame like that I don't see him being more than a very rich mans Hakim Warrick.

Barnes played well. I like his game, especially his jumper and i was happy with his willingness to drive into the paint today. However, all of you calling for us to draft Barnes must understand that we'll unlikely get him as there are a handful of teams with worse records that he will likely fall to.

Perry Jones is a piece of sh*t. I used to be a supporter of his in the fall but during the last month of the season before the tournament he completely folded and stopped producing. He ought to work on his game and stay in school or else he's going to be a very late 1st rounder.

lol this is exactly what was called out before , the coddling of barnes and the ripping apart of jones.

Robinson doesn't have a SF game. He's suited for PF because he's physical and he has the strength needed at the NBA level... plus he's a great rebounder.

Anthony Davis will be an all-star NBA PF in a few years. He might be able to play some SF, but that's taking away his greatest strength... shot blocking and lane intimidation. Look at KG, then think about what you're saying about the guy. He'll gain some strength, there's no question about that. He's a legit #1 NBA pick. He's already lightyears ahead of Hakim Warrick, you're analysis isn't much of an analysis when it comes to AD. He has excellent handles for a big man, not to mention a decent outside shot to go along with it. Then his defence... c'mon... there's no way you just compared him to Warrick...

Robinson is a lot more coordinated with his ball handling than Davis, yes he's muscular and strong but just because of that he shouldn't be disqualified from the SF position. Have you not heard of great rebounding SF's? He has the ability to stretch the floor at his position and just like Davis, I feel like he is undersized to start as a PF. Robinson has a face up game and a sweet jumper, he can hit the 3 point shot, these are things that Anthony Davis struggles at.

I will agree with your KG comparison, however, KG was a much more aggressive offensive and agile player on his feet than Davis is now. Davis is great defensively, you're right about that but you dont start a guy like him at the PF position just to get backed down by larger opposing big men and hope that his timing is right when he goes for blocks. In the NBA, it's going to be hard for him to block a lot of the shots he does now simply because everyone has better low post moves.

In reference to Thomas Robinson playing SF, I am speaking about him in the context of this team, I would definitely start him at the SF position and have him play the outside in game he likes to play around the baseline area while Bargnani stands around the 3point line and shoots his jumpers, while Valancinuas does the dirty work on the glass and moves off pick and rolls. That would keep teams completely honest on defense as we would be able to hurt them in so many different ways.

[Tough Tony D]

Chad Ford ‏ @chadfordinsider
Not sure anyone has hurt their draft stock more than H. Barnes has in this tournament. Without K. Marshall he looks incredibly ordinary

[Marlo Stanfield]

Chad Ford ‏ @chadfordinsider
Not sure anyone has hurt their draft stock more than H. Barnes has in this tournament. Without K. Marshall he looks incredibly ordinary

I'm extremely disappointed with his performance. I thought he would have the mindset to fight through a slump, but he showed me nothing.

[Sizzle]

I havent been paying a lot of attention to the draft thus far, but.... Watching MKG, he's got that fire and energy that I think would be great for the Raps, my only worry..... Is he too much like Terrence Williams?
Am I way off here? Does he have an NBA handle? Does he do anything good enough to be a top end player or is he just an energy guy?

MKG has that "it" factor. He's 110% a team guy. He looks like a perfect guy to play for Casey... he'd love him. He doesn't have that same immaturity as Williams... that's the main difference between the two. He has a will to win and become better... that's going to take him far.

Certainly agree that he seems to have that will, The only thing is thought T-Will had that too. MKG does seem a lot more humble though.
Anyway,I hope the Raps take him. I much prefer a guy that plays like that as opposed to a guy like Barnes, who is talented but seems indifferent.

[fredericklove]

Interesting. Who would you pick at 2nd? I'm just waiting to dig the holes in your opinion of 2nd pick lol.

There will be a ton of guys better than Harrison Barnes in this draft. MKG, Bradley Beal, Austin Rivers, Sullinger Lamb etc...

You understand English right? I ask you who you would pick at 2nd.