Jonas Valanciunas Summer Discussion Thread (Olympics!)

[xprt]

They are just after season they don't need to get to shape they are already so they arent doing heavy lifting. I remember last summer then they had a lot of time to prepare and season was finished like month ago they did lift big weights.

[UcanUwill]

First of all, that video does not show the whole training room routines. They do lift heavy weights.

Secondly, those camps are there for players to reach their optimum physical wellness, not the other way around. But hey, just put those guys on needless, uncommon football bodybuilding program and disbalance their physical condition and shooting touch instead of optimally helping them to reach best game shape possible (facepalm).

[JV4MVP]

I thought Europeans didn't lift weights

[BalticGiants]

I thought Europeans didn't lift weights

That actually was pretty much the case in 80's They thought it's not good for the shooting.

[Elastic]

Honestly, its pathetic to see the players using, what, 5 or 10 kg dumbbells for their lifts. And almost zero true lower body lifts (like deadlifts, squats, olympic lifts). Those quarter squats by Kleiza are a parody of true training. I wish they trained more like college football players.

It would be pathetic if Lithuanian NT weren't known for being one of the best physically prepared teams in every tournament.

This mindset, for me personally, is a myth. Due to some positive circumstances in 2010 (playing with young guys against an Argentinian team in their 30s), now everyone in Lithuania hails this team as a pinnacle example of physical fitness. But last year was different.

[Elastic]

Honestly, its pathetic to see the players using, what, 5 or 10 kg dumbbells for their lifts. And almost zero true lower body lifts (like deadlifts, squats, olympic lifts). Those quarter squats by Kleiza are a parody of true training. I wish they trained more like college football players.

You could make your point about your dream to make basketball players into football players in less idiotic way though. Did you see the whole training? Do you know it's the start of the training camp? Do you know the point of different exercise? There are physical training Doctors if anything.

Probably watching too much adds like the one in the right... No disrespect though.

Man, here is a list of books to acquaint you with this topic:

http://www.amazon.com/Science-Practice- ... 993&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Supertraining-Yur ... 038&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Program ... 061&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Neuromechanics-Hu ... 076&sr=1-1

Do you believe that those light dumbbells will induce any sort of hypertrophy, which is usually the aim at the beginning of a training program. Whats the point of doing 15-20 kg quarter squats, when it won't affect muscle mass (cross sectional area, that is, sarcomere (myofibrillal) hyperptrophy, and not sarcoplasmic hypertrophy), nor strength, nor power in the lower limbs, hence, not producing any positive adaptations in the athletes body. I have heard Kandratavicius talk about his "functional" training approach, but with all due respect, that is not effective when producing hypertrophy, strength or power when compared to the more traditional training means. The only effectiveness could be in rehab/prehab area.

Eventually, the only true and tested means of training is progressive overload, which isn't happening with 10kg dumbbells...

[dballislife]

Lithuania's national basketball team workout
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_NkQaleg7o[/youtube]

Honestly, its pathetic to see the players using, what, 5 or 10 kg dumbbells for their lifts. And almost zero true lower body lifts (like deadlifts, squats, olympic lifts). Those quarter squats by Kleiza are a parody of true training. I wish they trained more like college football players.

u dont no much about weight training, there are off season time where u bulk and use heavy weights, not during season or when ur about to play games, u just do light weights to get ur body going and stay in shape

[Elastic]

They are just after season they don't need to get to shape they are already so they arent doing heavy lifting. I remember last summer then they had a lot of time to prepare and season was finished like month ago they did lift big weights.

If they don't need to get in shape, then there is no point in lifting at all. They could only do basketball practices - and that would be enough. Moreover, even though you are in shape, you still want to adhere to the progressive overload principle in order to get that one additional inch in vertical jump or one tenth of a second in the 20 yard dash. Further, you can intentionally accumulate some fatigue at the beginning of training and then supercompensate at the end in order to prime both your nervous and muscular systems, and elevate energy systems (mostly anaerobic, to some extent aerobic).

[Elastic]

Lithuania's national basketball team workout
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_NkQaleg7o[/youtube]

Honestly, its pathetic to see the players using, what, 5 or 10 kg dumbbells for their lifts. And almost zero true lower body lifts (like deadlifts, squats, olympic lifts). Those quarter squats by Kleiza are a parody of true training. I wish they trained more like college football players.

u dont no much about weight training, there are off season time where u bulk and use heavy weights, not during season or when ur about to play games, u just do light weights to get ur body going and stay in shape

Actually, if you knew anything about weight training, then you would understand that there are many variables like reps, sets, volume, number of exercises, set duration, rest duration, workout density, exercise intensity... which can be tweaked in order to allow the athlete to train heavy while still functioning at the top of his shape.

[dballislife]

^ see what u said was absolutely right...but it has nothing to do with the previous points...in the video they are using light weights and simple lifts to stay in shape for games...they are not doing what u mention before the deadlifts squats and what not cus those are the bulking muscle ripping and building exercise which u do in the offseason

[hankscorpioLA]

If they don't need to get in shape, then there is no point in lifting at all. They could only do basketball practices - and that would be enough. Moreover, even though you are in shape, you still want to adhere to the progressive overload principle in order to get that one additional inch in vertical jump or one tenth of a second in the 20 yard dash. Further, you can intentionally accumulate some fatigue at the beginning of training and then supercompensate at the end in order to prime both your nervous and muscular systems, and elevate energy systems (mostly anaerobic, to some extent aerobic).

Um....dude....these are professional athletes.

Call me crazy...but I am guessing that the people who are working with them probably know what they are doing...and probably know a whole lot more about the specifics of training basketball players than you do.

[Elastic]

^ see what u said was absolutely right...but it has nothing to do with the previous points...in the video they are using light weights and simple lifts to stay in shape for games...they are not doing what u mention before the deadlifts squats and what not cus those are the bulking muscle ripping and building exercise which u do in the offseason

Not exactly. They can be bulking and muscle building exercises, but, as I mentioned previously, everything depends on how you structure the other variables, so if you tweak some parameters like intensity and number of reps, those same exercises can become strength building, or power building, or cardiovascular (either anaerobic or aerobic) enhancing. Believe me, there are so many ways to structure everything, and that's why I wrote the first post, complaining that the training isn't structured optimally.

[barrist]

Look out everyone, looks like we have a Kinesiology student in the house.

[Elastic]

Look out everyone, looks like we have a Kinesiology student in the house.

Almost. Sports and Exercise Science is the answer. Although Kinesiology is an area I would like to deepen my knowledge as well.

[barrist]

Look out everyone, looks like we have a Kinesiology student in the house.

Almost. Sports and Exercise Science is the answer. Although Kinesiology is an area I would like to deepen my knowledge as well.

Well it sounds like you'd fit in with all the Kin grads I know so you're halfway there... ...

[KarolisJ]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =1&theater
can u guys see the picture?

[JV4MVP]

I thought Europeans didn't lift weights

That actually was pretty much the case in 80's They thought it's not good for the shooting.

Then I guess Marciulionis didn't listen because that guy was a bull for a guard.

[lothy]

I thought Europeans didn't lift weights

That actually was pretty much the case in 80's They thought it's not good for the shooting.

Then I guess Marciulionis didn't listen because that guy was a bull for a guard.

Reminded me this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9zBndgbHKs[/youtube]

[Regulio]

Elastic stop with that bs please. It's not american football. And your all-or-nothing approach is a nonsense. Sure while studying and after reading a couple of books you already know more than professional coaches who do their job at highest level for a decade or more. And you are assuming they haven't read anything and don't study new practices. yeah right

[Elastic]

Elastic stop with that bs please. It's not american football. And your all-or-nothing approach is a nonsense. Sure while studying and after reading a couple of books you already know more than professional coaches who do their job at highest level for a decade or more. And you are assuming they haven't read anything and don't study new practices. yeah right

I will not argue anymore. But people have to understand that not all coaches (even the glorified ones) use the best approaches to training. Or else we can imagine that all politicians do their jobs effectively.