Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

Big Shot · Post #141 » by **Big Shot** » Thu Nov 8, 2012 4:58 pm

Waylon Mercy wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:I'm just worried about who replaces him at this point

can't be worse.

lucky777s · Post #142 » by **lucky777s** » Thu Nov 8, 2012 5:03 pm

35 or 37 wins cannot be considered an improvement.

Bargs injured most of last year.
No Lowry last year
No Val last year
#8 pick in pretty good draft added
No 20 million dollar FA signing last year
Full training camp for Casey
BC shipped out knucklehead JJ and let Bayless, Weems walk

If all that does is take you from a 29 pace to a 35 win season that is a total failure. Just having a healthy Bargs and Bayless may have done that last year.

The number is 40 wins. You can call that improving. I would still fire BC because he can't be trusted to make another trade or FA signing.

dacrusha · Post #143 » by **dacrusha** » Thu Nov 8, 2012 5:18 pm

Not sure why everyone is getting angry with BC over his 30-win team. Outside of Lowry and the hope that Val will one day be a prime time player down low, this roster is very poorly constructed.

We could see this outcome two months ago... and if you couldn't, you should give yourself a kick in the pants.

Post #144 » by **Rhettmatic** » Thu Nov 8, 2012 5:21 pm

dacrusha wrote:Not sure why everyone is getting angry with BC over his 30-win team. Outside of Lowry and the hope that Val will one day be a prime time player down low, this roster is very poorly constructed.

We could see this outcome two months ago... and if you couldn't, you should give yourself a kick in the pants.

I think most of the people in the thread have probably wanted BC fired for years (myself included). A few BC loyalists have probably just joined our side based on this season's stink, but I don't think most people here are basing their feelings on BC on five games this season.

West Rouge · Post #145 » by **West Rouge** » Thu Nov 8, 2012 5:33 pm

Big Shot wrote:
Waylon Mercy wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:I'm just worried about who replaces him at this point

can't be worse.

Your right it can't be. And if they do chose Eddy for whatever reason & we see the same crap outta him. We need to chase him out of town alot sooner than BC. We need to demand more from our GM's instead of giving them a free pass and always allowing the coach to be blamed

Big Shot · Post #146 » by **Big Shot** » Thu Nov 8, 2012 5:39 pm

West Rouge wrote:

can't be worse.

Your right it can't be. And if they do chose Eddy for whatever reason & we see the same crap outta him. We need to chase him out of town alot sooner than BC. We need to demand more from our GM's instead of giving them a free pass and always allowing the coach to be blamed[/quote]

I agree he has to go too. But you have to have someone as an interim GM, if you're talking about firing BC now before his contract expires.

Dr Positivity · Post #147 » by **Dr Positivity** » Thu Nov 8, 2012 5:40 pm

dacrusha wrote:Not sure why everyone is getting angry with BC over his 30-win team. Outside of Lowry and the hope that Val will one day be a prime time player down low, this roster is very poorly constructed.

We could see this outcome two months ago... and if you couldn't, you should give yourself a kick in the pants.

The worst part about this season headed for 30 Ws is that we've used pretty much all the bullets in our gun. Next year we have no capspace and no draft pick if we don't move up. I don't see how we can improve this team enough to make a big leap from mediocre/bad to playoff team.

If we win 30 Gs this year I think the right move might be to trade Lowry after 1 season, if this year goes in the wrong direction. Pick up draft pick value for him, finally trade Bargnani and do a full tank in 2014 in the Parker/Wiggins draft.

Furthermore here are two teams who'd fit Lowry perfectly: Utah and Atlanta. Both have playoff caliber squads and will have no PG next summer, with Mo and Harris expiring. Utah has two drafts picks in 2013 between their own and GSW's and nowhere to play them. Right now Alec Burks isn't even in the rotation, it's hard to imagine what happens to two more 1st rounders. Lowry for those 2 picks is a perfect trade for Utah. Atlanta also has their draft pick this year and fittingly Houston's which is top 14 protected through 2016. Maybe we can get one of those teams to take the Fields contract off our hands too

West Rouge · Post #148 » by **West Rouge** » Thu Nov 8, 2012 5:41 pm

Big Shot wrote:
I agree he has to go too. But you have to have someone as an interim GM, if you're talking about firing BC now before his contract expires.

Like BC did to Smitch? And i dont care when they do it. As long as the writing is on the wall

Anatomize · Post #149 » by **Anatomize** » Thu Nov 8, 2012 5:44 pm

It ought to be a resounding unanimous YES.

JN · Post #150 » by JN » Thu Nov 8, 2012 5:50 pm

lucky777s wrote:35 or 37 wins cannot be considered an improvement.

Bargs injured most of last year.
No Lowry last year
No Val last year
#8 pick in pretty good draft added
No 20 million dollar FA signing last year
Full training camp for Casey
BC shipped out knucklehead JJ and let Bayless, Weems walk

If all that does is take you from a 29 pace to a 35 win season that is a total failure. Just having a healthy Bargs and Bayless may have done that last year.

The number is 40 wins. You can call that improving. I would still fire BC because he can't be trusted to make another trade or FA signing.

I agree. Can't trust BC to mold assets together into a workable team.

My commentary was stepping out of what I would do, to what I think could happen.

That being said I suspect the 35-37 win figure to be one that would not automatically cause him to be fired by MLSE. THey may fall for another BC BS special.

Big Shot · Post #151 » by **Big Shot** » Thu Nov 8, 2012 5:51 pm

West Rouge wrote:
Big Shot wrote:
I agree he has to go too. But you have to have someone as an interim GM, if you're talking about firing BC now before his contract expires.

Like BC did to Smitch? And i dont care when they do it. As long as the writing is on the wall

The new GM should be hired no later than the next draft. And Ed shouldn't be allowed to make major moves before then.

Dr Positivity · Post #152 » by **Dr Positivity** » Thu Nov 8, 2012 5:53 pm

It's going to be so, so depressing if BC gets extended. Seems impossible but the Wizards just extended Ernie Grunfield, with these bad teams it just keeps going...

Lawnmower Man · Post #153 » by **Lawnmower Man** » Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:25 pm

Geddy wrote:I think at this point an inanimate carbon rod could do a better job as GM.

In rod we trust

Post #154 » by **theSkinny** » Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:30 pm

I expected this, so no not yet... I figure his hot seat will be turned way up by the end of this 22 game stretch and we are 7-15 or worse record wise.

Then,

BIG MOVE..

Then everyone rushes to suckle off his teat.

Dr Positivity · Post #155 » by **Dr Positivity** » Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:33 pm

You know, it just dawned on me how terrible last summer would've turned out if BC would've gotten his plan, a 3 year/36 million deal for Nash. Lowry is better than present day Nash... and we still probably suck. We would've been sitting on a 30 W team paying 20 mil a year to a 38 year old Nash and Fields for the next 3 seasons. OUCH.

witnessraps · Post #156 » by **witnessraps** » Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:35 pm

a typical realgm circle jerk...

it's been 5 games and everyone has QUIT on the season already...shameful

SDM · Post #157 » by **SDM** » Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:38 pm

JN wrote:
lucky777s wrote:35 or 37 wins cannot be considered an improvement.

Bargs injured most of last year.
No Lowry last year
No Val last year
#8 pick in pretty good draft added
No 20 million dollar FA signing last year
Full training camp for Casey
BC shipped out knucklehead JJ and let Bayless, Weems walk

If all that does is take you from a 29 pace to a 35 win season that is a total failure. Just having a healthy Bargs and Bayless may have done that last year.

The number is 40 wins. You can call that improving. I would still fire BC because he can't be trusted to make another trade or FA signing.

I agree. Can't trust BC to mold assets together into a workable team.

My commentary was stepping out of what I would do, to what I think could happen.

That being said I suspect the 35-37 win figure to be one that would not automatically cause him to be fired by MLSE. THey may fall for another BC BS special.

If BC is in a position to make an argument that a few things here and there, injuries, bad schedule to start, whatever, go the team's way, they'd make the playoffs AND if the building continues to sit at 80% full, he'd get re-signed.

El Bow · Post #158 » by **El Bow** » Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:39 pm

witnessraps wrote:a typical realgm circle jerk...

it's been 5 games and everyone has QUIT on the season already...shameful

Forget 5 games... it's been 5+ seasons since this team had a winning record

witnessraps · Post #159 » by **witnessraps** » Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:46 pm

El Bow wrote:
witnessraps wrote:a typical realgm circle jerk...

it's been 5 games and everyone has QUIT on the season already...shameful

Forget 5 games... it's been 5+ seasons since this team had a winning record

so? more than half that period we were flat out rebuilding and we finally have some legit keepers right now. More than 1.

El Bow · Post #160 » by **El Bow** » Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:57 pm

witnessraps wrote:
so? more than half that period we were flat out rebuilding and we finally have some legit keepers right now. More than 1.

Exactly. It is a shame. Even with the legit keepers there still so much work that's needed, obviously. The season is still young, but at the same time this is a team that's still on the outside looking in. We'll see

Fire BC?