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Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread

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Re: Rondo could be a 'situational harden' for the raptors 

Post#141 » by Schad » Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:17 am

Just to demonstrate the problem with this, let's assume that Gay is actually willing to re-sign for a flat $12m, and for whatever reason Rondo and Love want to sign here. And let's set the cap at $62m, which is a fairly generous increase.

Rondo, Gay and Love would cost somewhere in the region of $40m in year one. DeRozan, Val, Novak and Ross -- our other cap commitments -- add an additional $21.6m. That would take you right up to the cap...except that it doesn't take into consideration cap holds for the empty roster spots, or draft picks, or re-signing anyone, which makes signing that second max FA all but impossible. It simply is not in the slightest bit realistic.

Rondo/Lee for Lowry, feilds, Ross and 2016 NYK first and 2014 draft pick


Yeah, that's never happening. Two playoff firsts, two crappy bench players and a walk-year guard do not get you Rajon Rondo.
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Re: Rondo could be a 'situational harden' for the raptors 

Post#142 » by Mr. Perfect » Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:28 am

Schadenfreude wrote:Just to demonstrate the problem with this, let's assume that Gay is actually willing to re-sign for a flat $12m, and for whatever reason Rondo and Love want to sign here. And let's set the cap at $62m, which is a fairly generous increase.

Rondo, Gay and Love would cost somewhere in the region of $40m in year one. DeRozan, Val, Novak and Ross -- our other cap commitments -- add an additional $21.6m. That would take you right up to the cap...except that it doesn't take into consideration cap holds for the empty roster spots, or draft picks, or re-signing anyone, which makes signing that second max FA all but impossible. It simply is not in the slightest bit realistic.

Rondo/Lee for Lowry, feilds, Ross and 2016 NYK first and 2014 draft pick


Yeah, that's never happening. Two playoff firsts, two crappy bench players and a walk-year guard do not get you Rajon Rondo.


That is unless Danny Ainge is in tank mode. He's tried trading Rondo countless times before, I don't see why anything would change now that the big three are gone. Lowry can easily be flipped to a 3rd team but I don't think we'll shake up the PG position mid-season, I can see a Rondo trade going down next summer though.
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Re: Rondo could be a 'situational harden' for the raptors 

Post#143 » by Scraptor » Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:29 am

I absolutely love Rondo, but his lack of a jump shot wasn't an issue when playing next to the likes of Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Jason Terry, all of whom are great 3 point shooters.

With Demar and Rudy you're just asking for spacing problems. Not to mention they are least effective without the ball in their hands.

I wouldn't mind trying to build a team around Rondo and Val, but I'm not sure how you'd move our collection of sketchy contracts. And if you're going to make those kinds of wholesale changes, might as well aim for the draft, where you can control a player for seven years instead of the barely two years Rondo'll have left on his contract when he gets back.
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Re: Rondo could be a 'situational harden' for the raptors 

Post#144 » by Totem » Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:31 am

Schadenfreude wrote: Where is this cap space coming from that will allow us to re-sign Gay, sign Rondo outright, and sign other free agents after next season?

Also another great question, Next year we'd have:

Rudy: 12-15mill (after opt out re sign)
Rondo: 11mill
Demar: 9.5
C.Lee: 5.5mill (ish)
Novak: 3.4mil
Val: 3.6
Hans: 3.3
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around 48 mill which gives us near max (around 14 mill I think if the projected cap is 62) to look for a replacement for amir at the 4.
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Re: Rondo could be a 'situational harden' for the raptors 

Post#145 » by Waylon Mercy » Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:35 am

You don't need to tell us how good Rondo is you need to tell us how we're supposed to get him...

We call about Rondo Bostons asks for Val we say no they hang up convo over.
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Re: Rondo could be a 'situational harden' for the raptors 

Post#146 » by Totem » Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:42 am

Waylon Mercy wrote:You don't need to tell us how good Rondo is you need to tell us how we're supposed to get him...

We call about Rondo Bostons asks for Val we say no they hang up convo over.

I always thought the raptor's first would be a starting point.
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Re: Rondo could be a 'situational harden' for the raptors 

Post#147 » by Schad » Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:51 am

Mr. Perfect wrote:That is unless Danny Ainge is in tank mode. He's tried trading Rondo countless times before, I don't see why anything would change now that the big three are gone. Lowry can easily be flipped to a 3rd team but I don't think we'll shake up the PG position mid-season, I can see a Rondo trade going down next summer though.


I'm not saying that they won't trade him. I'm saying that they won't trade him for a pile of spare parts, because Rondo is really very good. Ross has little value. Lowry in a walk year has little value. Fields has negative value. The 2014 pick would be in the 20s if we had Rondo, and the 2016 Knicks pick is likely to be in the same area (remember, it's subject to a pick swap, as well)...plus, it's three years from fruition.

That's a whole lot of not very much at all.

Rudy: 12-15mill (after opt out re sign)
Rondo: 11mill
Demar: 9.5
C.Lee: 5.5mill (ish)
Novak: 3.4mil
Val: 3.6
Hans: 3.3
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around 48 mill which gives us near max (around 14 mill I think if the projected cap is 62) to look for a replacement for amir at the 4.


Rondo's not going to take less money in his next contract; he'll get closer to $15m himself. On top of that, you'd have another $5m or thereabouts in cap holds, leaving us with somewhere between $3-8m in cap space, in all likelihood.

But it's all largely pointless, because there's little chance that Rondo hits the market and the Celts get nothing that tops the above offer.
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Re: Rondo could be a 'situational harden' for the raptors 

Post#148 » by Waylon Mercy » Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:02 am

Totem wrote:
Waylon Mercy wrote:You don't need to tell us how good Rondo is you need to tell us how we're supposed to get him...

We call about Rondo Bostons asks for Val we say no they hang up convo over.

I always thought the raptor's first would be a starting point.


8-14th pick isn't really gonna get their attention and how are we gonna absorb Rondos salary?
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Re: Rondo could be a 'situational harden' for the raptors 

Post#149 » by BackseatBoss » Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:52 am

Rondo would also need some shooters on the team in order to be fully effective. Who do we have besides Novak that is considered a good shooter? Also, if we'd trade for Rondo, Boston would probably want JV in return.
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Re: Rondo could be a 'situational harden' for the raptors 

Post#150 » by Too Late Crew » Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:20 pm

Those 6 points essentially apply to ANY team that doesn't already have a star (Chris paul Westbrook etc) level PG

I don't see why Rondo is so uniquely a great fit for the Raptors. Sure we'd love to have him but so would Atlanta or New Orleans and a whole pile of other teams.

So if he isn't some unique need for Toronto (he isn't tons of teams need a passing defending PG like Rondo) then to even bother discussing him Toronto would need to have some unique ability to GET him. A player Rondo wants to play with or some exceptional package that makes the Celtics want to trade him to us. That simply isn't the case.

Bill and Jalen talked about this in their Raptor season preview. If the Raptors call the Celtics about Rondo the first Question out of Ainges mouth is "So what are you offering in addition to Val?" If Val isn't in the trade the next sound you hear is CLICK!

If the Celtics are going to dump rondo and Tank they want either a young potential star OR HIGH (meaning lottery) picks. Not some crap scrubs overpaid midrange players or bottom 1/2 draft picks which outside of Val is effectively all Toronto has to offer.
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Re: Rondo could be a 'situational harden' for the raptors 

Post#151 » by DeadHorse » Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:26 pm

"Rondo and Demar would be a great backcourt!" - No one ever
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Re: Rondo could be a 'situational harden' for the raptors 

Post#152 » by Son Goku 25 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:44 pm

I really wish demar proves all his doubters wrong. Having said that, Boston will ask for Jonas back. The whole point of having rondo would be to help Jonas, I'd love to have a guy like rondo but we need pieces around him to make some noise.
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Re: Rondo could be a 'situational harden' for the raptors 

Post#153 » by BballFever1 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:12 pm

I don't think its possible to get Rondo without giving up Rudy, Val, or DD. I'm pretty sure the celtics aren't going to give up Rondo for close to nothing with your trade proposal. As you've stated before they've tried to trade Rondo several times before but guess what... hes still with the celtics, and the reason being because they don't want to just get rid of him for the sake of tanking. They're still looking to get valuable young stars/ draft picks and therefore the Raps would most likely have to give up Ross/Val/ and future first round draft picks. With all that being said once again you have issues with cap space and signing players once we get Rondo. All Rondo would do is improve our starting (and thats even debatable if we are giving up starts to aquire him). Raptors main issue isn't their starts, they need to get a strong bench who can support the starters!
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Re: Rondo could be a 'situational harden' for the raptors 

Post#154 » by witnessraps » Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:34 pm

Before we trade for a pg coming off a torn acl with no jumper, lets see how he looks without HOFers
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Re: Rondo could be a 'situational harden' for the raptors 

Post#155 » by ruckus » Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:41 pm

Remember when we thought TJ would be better than Rondo? Good times.

Now, thinking about Rondo on the Raptors gives me a "situational Harden", ifunowutimsayin.

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Post#156 » by bigbadstevenson » Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:08 pm

pbj wrote:
Ice102 wrote:
pbj wrote:
There's a lot of people doubting that Smith can play SF properly.. I've heard it from ATL fans too.


I'm one of them, to be honest. I don't think he can play the 3 for significant minutes. However, look at this rotation:

Drummond - 30 min at C
Monroe - 20 min at PF, 16 min at C
Smith - 8 min at SF, 24 min at PF

There's still garbage minutes to go energy bigs off the bench or for foul purposes.

Lots of minutes to go around. I think Detroit should use their expirings and trade them to Boston for Gerald Wallace.

But that's another story...

-Ice


It could work, especially considering Drummond isn't allowed on the court in the final quarter.


Jeez. I didn't think of that. Imagine if Drummond was paired with coach Case.

Whoa...

Maybe that's why they picked Ross...
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Re: Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread 

Post#157 » by Jstock12 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:23 pm

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Re: Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread 

Post#158 » by HolyMage110 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:00 am

What could Ross net us?
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Post#159 » by nahom1319 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:23 pm

HolyMage110 wrote:What could Ross net us?

You mean other then ridicule....

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Re: Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread 

Post#160 » by bboyskinnylegs » Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:57 pm

Jstock12 wrote:Just spitballing here.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nsx45yr

we would need to include Daye to make things fair...

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