2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th

[Undefeated]

More game highlights of Jabari defensively

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-8NmYOdQ3s[/youtube]

The Good

2:04 - Quinn Cook gets blown by in transition leading to a 4 on 5 advantage for Clemson. Hall beats the help from Amile Jefferson, but Jabari comes over from the weakside to clean up two defensive breakdowns.

11:50 - High ball screen action by Clemson. Filer “bingos” the pick by rejecting the screen going away from it in the opposite direction. Cook does a great job of staying attached to the ball-handler forcing another ball screen. This time Filer sheds Cook after the screener changes the angle of the ball screen by “flipping the pick” or setting a step-up screen. What was supposed to be a straight line drive, Jabari slides over to take away the drive showing his body on front of the ball-handler and with his quick hands he deflects the ball initiating a 3-on-1 fast break the other way.

19:35 - Good contest at the rim forcing the miss in transition.

36:03 - McDaniels tries to drive the gap/hole against the 2-3 zone defense, but Jabari crisply rotates over laterally walling off the driving the lane cutting off any angles forcing McDaniels to reverse pivot and reset the offense. Duke forces the shot clock violation.

44:46 - Good closeout forcing McDaniels into a missed jumper.

48:56 - Forces Nnoko into missing a jump hook. Good second chance effort to again force Nnoko missing the putback following up his own miss, but on the third attempt Nnoko just beat Jabari. Regardless this was great individual defense/effort by Jabari forcing multiple misses despite being severely undersized on the glass.

1:09:02 - Duke switches on the sideline pick-&-roll with Jabari switching onto the ball-handler. Clemson clears out the ball side letting Harrison go 1 on 1 against the mismatch he has on Jabari. Jabari does a good job of getting in a defensive stance staying low not biting on the crossover and moves his feet well laterally to stop the baseline drive. He "talls up" to prevent the layup.

The Bad

42:00 - Jabari comes up too high hedging allowing Hall to turn the corner sharply and blow by.

59:42 - Not enough pressure to front the post denying the entry pass so Jabari ends up getting sealed and Nnoko gets a two-footed paint catch for an easy layup.

The Meh

50:10 - Just poor defense by Hood caught ball watching not following ball-you-man principles giving up the backdoor cut to McDaniels. Jabari was a split second late to block the shot, but McDaniels has to contort his body so much to elude Jabari and avoid getting his shot altered on the layup.

[Pass it]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvyXi58BWWQ[/youtube]

Don't pass on the kid if he's available at 37. Just watch the way he boxes out his opponents and moves them out of the way for rebounds. We'll finally have a player that won't get pushed around in the paint defensively with some offensive power.

[Rapsfan07]

Jabari isn't going to be good? Lol wow. Jabari Parker will be the Rookie of the Year. Book it. Easily the most NBA ready player on the Top 5 right now.

Embiid is going to be a good player. He's got everything you need in an elite C. But Cs take time to develop. He looks like he could be the healthy, interested version of Andrew Bynum.

Wiggins has the highest ceiling and could be best player in the draft but not right away. I think anybody that watches enough basketball and has an eye for talent will tell you that. He reminds me a lot of Paul George. It'll be a two years or so before Wiggins comes into his own.

Year 1: Parker, Embiid, Wiggins
Year 4: Wiggins, Embiid, Parker


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[Rapsfan07]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvyXi58BWWQ[/youtube]

Don't pass on the kid if he's available at 37. Just watch the way he boxes out his opponents and moves them out of the way for rebounds. We'll finally have a player that won't get pushed around in the paint defensively with some offensive power.

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[Pass it]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvyXi58BWWQ[/youtube]

Don't pass on the kid if he's available at 37. Just watch the way he boxes out his opponents and moves them out of the way for rebounds. We'll finally have a player that won't get pushed around in the paint defensively with some offensive power.

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It's jarnell stokes. I embedded the video thru youtube. I guess it's not appearing on smartphones. Here's the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvyXi58BWWQ

[Dr Comeback]

1. Those blocks he's getting on the weak side are NOT NBA plays, he isn't going to be rejecting NBA athletes at the rim, he's not going to be an effective rim protector.

What is an NBA play then? Because what it shows is great anticipatory skills to time his blocks. But he doesn't need to be rejecting shots at the rim to be an effective rim protector. Just by getting his body in the air and act as an obstacle/"talling up" is enough to force the guy into a miss because they'll have to contort their body around the obstacle.

2. 8:45 he has to get back to his man, he wasn't even close poor effort.

Brandon Ashley is a poor outside shooter so there's no need to close out. He can sag off of a poor shooter.

3.most of the "meh" stuff is bad, He's supposed to be an NBA 3, you aren't supposed to get completely blown by lunging on a McConnell (non nba athlete) in and out move.

That's more so of him gambling which I said when he got outside of his base of support; shoulders over knees. When he doesn't get gamble or react to the ball rather focuses more so on anticipating and keeping the ball outside the paint he does all right. 23:32 is a perfect example of him forcing McConnell retreating his dribble being disciplined and "living low".

You don't need draftexporess videos to see this you watch him over the course of the year.

Then show me plays of Jabari getting exposed defensively because I know what I saw. I've done my part to show that he isn't as bad despite his reputation. Now, I'm not insinuating he's a good defender either because of his effort level and sometimes he loses awareness of his man by focusing on the ball too much. If you want an example of a bad defender watch Hood.

1. Ashley is a fine shooter for a PF, shot 37.9 from 3, pretty good from mid range. He's not aaron gordon, He can make completely uncontested jumpers, that wasn't a decision by coach K to leave him alone, that was slow, lazy rotation by jabari.

2. When he doesn't? He does gamble tho, a lot, against college players, who aren't very good. and over helps for blocks and gives up easy offensive rebounds, at some point "you are what you consistently do"

3. Dude I don't have the tape all edited, you have seens draft expresses video go watch that, they have tons of plays, of him out of position, gambling, over helping, not paying attention, ball watching. do you think they are making it up?


here


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DAoM-Y5gMA[/youtube]

over help for a block,
watch the first Kansas game, was burned constantly.

I don't know how else to explain this.

[Rapsfan07]

Hell no. For two reasons.

1) no way I take Early with #20. Way, way, way better players available there.
2) He's a undersized tweener (6'7 SF/PF) and what he does is very, very replaceable. We could easily sign Wesley Johnson or Xavier Henry for the minimum and they'll come in and do exactly what Early does. Why should we waste a draft pick on him? He doesn't do anything well.

No thanks to Early.

He's not a tweener at all, he's a sf and one of the best in the draft. He lit up kentucky for 31 on 4-6 3 point shooting and shot 71% in the game. I cant believe so many people are sleeping on him.

I'm not super high on him but I don't know if I agree that he can be written off as a tweener either. His combine numbers were pretty great (as far as I remember) and big 3s are not unusual these days - Morris twins, PJ Tucker, etc. Is he a lesser perimeter defender than all these other 3s in this draft - Warren, Anderson, Hood, McDermott, even James Young?

I understand the trepidation in that he does look a bit like a less talented Terrence Jones but due diligence is still required. After all, his face resembles Damien Lillard and his TS% was nice.

Lol yea I guess. Gotta do the due diligence on everyone. But there are far more interesting prospects in the second round than him IMO. Higher ceilings.

I read that he played PF in college primarily. Does he have a perimeter game? Can he dribble?


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[Rapsfan07]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvyXi58BWWQ[/youtube]

Don't pass on the kid if he's available at 37. Just watch the way he boxes out his opponents and moves them out of the way for rebounds. We'll finally have a player that won't get pushed around in the paint defensively with some offensive power.

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It's jarnell stokes. I embedded the video thru youtube. I guess it's not appearing on smartphones. Here's the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvyXi58BWWQ

AH. There we go, it's working now.

Yup, Stokes is on my list too. I said this before but if he loses weight and gets a midrange jumpshot, I could see a Big Baby/Brandon Bass type player. He's fifth on my list of potential second rounders but I really do like him.


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[DG88]

Capela is growing on me. Walking away with Capela & Inglis would be great.

A shot blocking big with potential and a big wing who can defend. Would be a great haul.

Think you have to move up to #27-30 range to get Inglis

I don't think he'll go first round. Teams would rather give guaranteed money to a player they know can play in the NBA right away. A lot of team will look at Inglis as a draft and stash pick. Plus he hasn't had the same exposure as other players who are slated in the first round. Also this is the reason why he's coming here lol

[Rapsfan07]

A shot blocking big with potential and a big wing who can defend. Would be a great haul.

Think you have to move up to #27-30 range to get Inglis

I don't think he'll go first round. Teams would rather give guaranteed money to a player they know can play in the NBA right away. A lot of team will look at Inglis as a draft and stash pick. Plus he hasn't had the same exposure as other players who are slated in the first round. Also this is the reason why he's coming here lol

Lol at the photo. I'd love to have Inglis here. With some solid coaching and time, he could be a very quality player.

Same thing with Capella. He's not first on my list of desires players at #20, but he is there. I just wonder what are the chances he reaches his potential? Why should we take him over the more NBA ready Adreian Payne who can step in and contribute right away but also could develop to be even better?


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[Mark_83]

A new batch of highlight clips I stumbled across. I was not that impressed by Exum before, but he's far more athletic than I imagined, watching him get up in the air and dunk it in traffic in these clips. I can see the Penny comparisons now.

Do you think that we could get a top pick via trade and draft him?

I doubt it. The cost would be prohibitive. I was just expressing that I'm turned around on him as a prospect. I'm trying to figure out what team he would fit best with. The Bucks, Magic, Jazz, LA make the most sense. If you're the Bucks and the Cavs take Embiid first. Maybe you take Wiggins and trade Greek Freak to either Orlando or Utah for Exum.

[Undefeated]

1. Ashley is a fine shooter for a PF, shot 37.9 from 3, pretty good from mid range. He's not aaron gordon, He can make completely uncontested jumpers, that wasn't a decision by coach K to leave him alone, that was slow, lazy rotation by jabari.

Ashley is a poor shooter that can occasionally knock down open shots like Blake Griffin before this year. He only took 29 3-pointers the entire season which isn't a large enough sample to say he's average from deep. Any defense would he happy to give that shot to Ashley to have a better chance of keeping Aaron Gordon and RHJ off the offensive glass especially for a Duke team that is undersized when 'Zona was one of the better teams in the nation at keeping possessions alive.

Dude I don't have the tape all edited, you have seens draft expresses video go watch that, they have tons of plays, of him out of position, gambling, over helping, not paying attention, ball watching. do you think they are making it up?

I've seen that video months ago and I've already addressed my opinion on that matter if you go back to the previous draft thread. Because Jabari was often the last line of defense for Duke he's not always going to effectively erase mistakes while at the same time shut down his own man especially for a player that had no previous experience playing that type of role defensively. Even LeBron James and KD have struggled in these playoffs when they're playing the 4 and they don't provide early help because they aren't accustomed to playing that role defensively. You can choose to make what you want of what I provided, but I've done my due diligence to show some good defensive plays with the bad that highlight he's not nearly as bad as he's perceived.

As for the game against Kansas, I'm sure the game plan was to fully front the post because of KU's size advantage. If you're letting Perry Ellis and Embiid getting post catches off of a 3/4 front they're going to score over the top every single time. With the full front there needs to be backside help whether that's a help defender coming over from the weakside or stunting to make the passer think twice about throwing the lob pass. Duke offered no help for Jabari when he was full fronting so that's unfair criticism on him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DAoM-Y5gMA

That's one play versus the amount that I've shown. There are full games on YouTube if you wish to highlight his bad defensive plays.

[Double Helix]

Some quick player comparisons that I'm seeing for players that could be available at our pick:

Tyler Ennis - Mike Bibby high end. George Hill on the low end.

Nik Stauskas - JJ Redick/Gordon Hayward mix

Rodney Hood - 75% version of Danny Granger (Similar offensive approach, standing reach, max vert. Less blocks/steals)

Zach Lavine - Even more athletic Latrell Sprewell on the high end if it all works out which is why he's intriguging. Somewhere between Harold Miner and JR Smith if it doesn't. High risk/reward.

TJ Warren - Caron Butler

Clint Capela - More professional, 125% version of Larry Sanders

Adreane Payne - Patrick Patterson

KJ McDaniels - 70% version of Shawn Marion

Kyle Anderson - Jalen Rose/Hedo Turkoglu mix

[m83588333]

KJ McDanials might be more Igoudala
Aaron Gordon is Shawn Marion
Ennis could also be CP3

Again Another projections just play style.

[SkywalkerAC]

Why do people keep comparing McDaniels to Iggy, does he have point forward skills that I'm not aware of, cause it sure aint the length.

And Aaron Gordon as Marion? The Matrix played at the 4 for D-Antoni but he's a natural 3. Gordon reminds me much more of David Lee, but with more defensive potential.

I'm not even going to get into CP3 and Ennis.

[SkywalkerAC]

A shot blocking big with potential and a big wing who can defend. Would be a great haul.

Think you have to move up to #27-30 range to get Inglis

I don't think he'll go first round. Teams would rather give guaranteed money to a player they know can play in the NBA right away. A lot of team will look at Inglis as a draft and stash pick. Plus he hasn't had the same exposure as other players who are slated in the first round. Also this is the reason why he's coming here lol

What's the evidence that Inglis won't be able to come over right away?

[m83588333]

McDanials defensively resembles Iggy smart defender. Aaron Gordon is like Marion in his jumping. He's more similar to Marion than Griffin.

[DG88]

I don't think he'll go first round. Teams would rather give guaranteed money to a player they know can play in the NBA right away. A lot of team will look at Inglis as a draft and stash pick. Plus he hasn't had the same exposure as other players who are slated in the first round. Also this is the reason why he's coming here lol

Lol at the photo. I'd love to have Inglis here. With some solid coaching and time, he could be a very quality player.

Same thing with Capella. He's not first on my list of desires players at #20, but he is there. I just wonder what are the chances he reaches his potential? Why should we take him over the more NBA ready Adreian Payne who can step in and contribute right away but also could develop to be even better?


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I like Payne, but there are 2 things that make me doubt us selecting him. 1) We already have Patterson who plays the stretch PF role for us on the team. I'm not sure how having 2 stretch PFs will help us. 2) He's 23 years old and his upside may not be as high.

Capela brings just as much athleticism as Payne but also brings great shot blocking and rebounding from his postions. His timing and second jump on blocks are very good for a kid his age. He's got soft hands around the bucket and finishes well. He's raw but he reminds you of Amir and Ibaka in what he can do now or potentially do in the future.

[Double Helix]

Why do people keep comparing McDaniels to Iggy, does he have point forward skills that I'm not aware of, cause it sure aint the length.

And Aaron Gordon as Marion? The Matrix played at the 4 for D-Antoni but he's a natural 3. Gordon reminds me much more of David Lee, but with more defensive potential.

I'm not even going to get into CP3 and Ennis.

I like that David Lee comparison for Aaron Gordon actually. A more athletic David Lee, which means better defensive potential. Not bad. I can see it.

[SkywalkerAC]

McDanials defensively resembles Iggy smart defender. Aaron Gordon is like Marion in his jumping. He's more similar to Marion than Griffin.

Defensive prowess doesn't make for a good comparison on the whole though, Iggy is (or was) too much more than just a defender for that comparison to stick. McDaniels projects as a 3&D guy whereas Iggy was Lebron-lite. Plus, Iggy has 3.5" of standing reach on KJ.

And again, Gordon isn't a 3.