Terrence Ross has been leaving practice first

[martypython]

T Ross is a beta male and he's probably going through the money phase due to not having a strong enough mind. He'll grow from this but it's gonna take long. Athletes don't have that kind of time, they need to keep putting the work in consistently.

Clearly being an alpha male worked so well with Dion Waiters and Austin Rivers, Skip.

[ForeverTFC]

That was not the first night DeRozan went 0 for something this season. Prior to his injury he barely had any good games.

Actually it was the first game he's gone 0 for something this season. The Dallas game doesn't really count since he got hurt in that game and he's had two other bad games prior to injury against Milwaukee and Chicago.

And barely had any good games? LMAO. Clearly you're not watching.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... ar-derozan

He's had plenty of good and great performances, mixed in with his usual average. Whereas Ross was playing like crap for the better part of a month almost now. Not even close to comparable and there was no reason to bring DD in to the conversation here.

He is having arguably his worst season in his career offensively.

He's shooting the worst percentage of his career at .406, his 3 pt shooting percentage has fallen below his rookie year and he's shooting less 3 this year than the last three seasons. He is sporting his worst TS% of his career at an awful .495. His AST% is way down after building on that part of his game last year - from 18.9 to 12.9. He has an ORtg of 102 - the worst in his career. And yet his USG% is at a career high.

He's been pedestrian at best on the offensive end.

[tdotboyy]

Ross needs to learn from DeMar's work ethic

[whysoserious]

He is having arguably his worst season in his career offensively.

He's shooting the worst percentage of his career at .406, his 3 pt shooting percentage has fallen below his rookie year and he's shooting less 3 this year than the last three seasons. He is sporting his worst TS% of his career at an awful .495. His AST% is way down after building on that part of his game last year - from 18.9 to 12.9. He has an ORtg of 102 - the worst in his career. And yet his USG% is at a career high.

He's been pedestrian at best on the offensive end.

And he's not above criticism. That was never my point though he has a proven track record of helping this team and scoring for us and doing other things. And while his offense can be criticized he's also playing better defensively this year.

But all of that is besides the point, this thread was discussing Ross and his poor play, what does DD have to do with that discussion?

And just to point out, I'm not a Ross fan but I also defended him for what he's probably dealing with off the court and the impact it's had. But he's having a horrible season. At least DD had had some good and efficient games that helped us. Ross has been a non-factor to a negative and that's why he's being called out by many. Especially for the stretch he had an opportunity to step up, in that stretch he couldn't even give us what he normally does and was worse.

[whysoserious]

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At what point would you like others to call out DD? 5 games in? 10 games? 20? Every thread seems to be about Ross and his struggles. If I was an outsider lurking on the Raptors board for the first time I would think Ross is a major player on the team who is mightily struggling. Just like everyone has the right to bash Ross, I have the right to criticize DeRozan's poor season which was covered up by his injury.

I still don't understand why you're comparing DeRozan and Ross as if they had the same opportunities in the NBA. Just before the Bucks game TR just surpassed DD's minute totals after his 2nd year, and we're half way through Ross' 3rd season, on a team that's been winning games since his inclusion on the starting lineup.

I never once said DD was above criticism, I called you out on bringing him up in a thread about Ross where we're discussing his struggles and any other thread. But you tried to deflect to DD as some sort of defense for Ross.

You say you don't understand why I'm comparing Ross to DD, I never once did. You brought him up. And opportunities mean squat. TR couldn't even give the baseline of what he normally has in DD's time away, he's regressed this season and his defense is almost non-existant.

You mention then that he's in the starting lineup, if he's a starter, that's not some minor role, there's an expected level of contribution and we're not getting that. He's 24 (or almost). You can point to DD having more NBA experience, but Ross had more college experience to get better. It all doesn't equate but Ross has been given every opportunity to contribute and he's gotten worse this year.

Why do you keep bringing up DD as a deflection from that?

[Crane08]

Lol... Witch hunt continues... Derozan just shot 0-9. Just goes to show all his hard work paying off.

LOL the site would have shut-downed if Ross had a 0-9 night. But because DeRozan spends more time in the gym like a good boy and plays on 2k less we should excuse him for having a crap night. Keep in mind DD is paid to score.

Did you watch the recent episode of Open Gym? He have his own episode where he was showing everyone how he work his butt off to improve his game, work on his handles with his mentor dribble2much - ironic much? (such a waste of show production btw) At the end of the day, he is still inefficient chucker but he's an All-star right? I guess that means he's a really good player! lol

[ForeverTFC]

He is having arguably his worst season in his career offensively.

He's shooting the worst percentage of his career at .406, his 3 pt shooting percentage has fallen below his rookie year and he's shooting less 3 this year than the last three seasons. He is sporting his worst TS% of his career at an awful .495. His AST% is way down after building on that part of his game last year - from 18.9 to 12.9. He has an ORtg of 102 - the worst in his career. And yet his USG% is at a career high.

He's been pedestrian at best on the offensive end.

And he's not above criticism. That was never my point though he has a proven track record of helping this team and scoring for us and doing other things. And while his offense can be criticized he's also playing better defensively this year.

But all of that is besides the point, this thread was discussing Ross and his poor play, what does DD have to do with that discussion?

And just to point out, I'm not a Ross fan but I also defended him for what he's probably dealing with off the court and the impact it's had. But he's having a horrible season. At least DD had had some good and efficient games that helped us. Ross has been a non-factor to a negative and that's why he's being called out by many. Especially for the stretch he had an opportunity to step up, in that stretch he couldn't even give us what he normally does and was worse.

I agree, this is a Ross thread. Still, Ross has been the whipping boy lately, and before that it was Valanciunas. These are both 3rd year guys - on a shorter leash than most on the team - learning the game and trying to earn their way.

Yet DD, who is the cornerstone of this franchise, is above criticism because? If anything, It's DD we should be looking at. He is supposed to be our go-to scorer, yet he's having an average level of impact at best.

[beanbag]

I think Ross is upset because of gambling debts owed to the mob. Also, he has an STD and is manic depressive. You know....while we're baselessly speculating on strangers and all.

[YogiStewart]

Maybe he is leaving early for treatment


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on his penis?


on his Penis.

[SciencePiggy]

Maybe he is leaving early for treatment


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on his penis?


on his Penis.

Who else but Yogi?

[Heffernan]

Over the course of his career, and especially now Ross looks very similar to one Andrea Bargnani. They both had very high expectations, and have the physical gifts to reach those expectations, but show a very blatant lack of effort. Both have showed little improvement from their rookie season, and do not show flashes of a bright future.

Bargnani and Ross both seem to be disinterested in the game, and look to have their minds on other things (i.e. pasta and Instagram, respectively).

Last year, Ross established himself as a 3&D guy, but this year that seems to have gone out the window. He no longer plays defense, but will hit a few 3s if given excessive opportunities. This style of play is one that Bargs made his career on.

Casey wants to be tough on Ross now because of his terrible play, but other players on the team know he needs to be coddled.

I don't know how this will end for the Raps, but what I do know is that the last thing this team needs is another Bargnani.

[TRNBA12]

No. Bargnani would've been a positive player for us if he played respectable defense because of floor spacing. Ross' potential as a 3 and 3 player may have been overrated but he's still a competent defender and is a positive on offense because of spacing. Ross is a positive player.

[yassillio]

This is a joke, right ?

[DemoleDemolezan]

This thread is the new Bargnani.

[Lowrys Chode]

Blacknani

[Basketball_Jones]

I had much higher expectations of Bargnani then Ross. Ross shouldn't have been a top ten pick imo. Bargs at number one I was okay with, it was just really really really really disappointing what he amounted to and how BC would never give up on him.

[beanbag]

Bargnani and Ross both seem to be disinterested in the game, and look to have their minds on other things (i.e. pasta and Instagram, respectively).

Unless you know them personally, this is not a fact.

Casey wants to be tough on Ross now because of his terrible play, but other players on the team know he needs to be coddled.

Unless you know him personally, this is not a fact.

[DemoleDemolezan]

Weird. These two threads were just merged.

[niQ]

Well, can you really blame him? He's got to get home and win the Championship for his NBA 2K Raptors team.