GT#4: Raptors vs Wizards 26/4/15 @6:30 PM on TSN??

knickerbocker2k2 · Post #141 » by **knickerbocker2k2** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:54 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:Pretty sure the downturn of this team this year corresponded exactly with Lowry's level of play dropping off a cliff, no? When you're asking DeRozan to be your team's best player, that team isn't going to be any good.

You can say the same about Lowry. That is my whole point. I'm not advocating we make DD our "alpha dog". We need to start playing the mold of teams like the Hawks. Having well rounded team with balance scoring and responsibility.

Pre-DD injury: Lowry

18.6PPG/6.4ASS/1.6TO (13.8FGA / 45FG% / 31.6%3FG)

Team - 13-3

December - Jan (15) DD Injury:

21.5PPG/8.7ASS/3.2TO (17.1FGA/44FG%/39%3FG)

Team Record - 12-9

Jan 15 - End of Season:

14.9PPG/5.7ASS/2.5TO (13.7FGA/38FG%/32%3FG)

Team Record - 24-21

As you can see Lowry best stretch did not concede with when we played our best ball. Granted it was tough schedule + missing starter, but his great play did not result in that many wins. Team was successful with his 18PPG/6Ass, and that is slightly above average stats for PGs in this league. I would not classify that as "carrying" teams unless you think Knight/Walkers/Bledsoe of this league are carrying their teams.

Childs · Post #142 » by **Childs** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:55 pm

nivea_ wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/JLew1050/status/592030132291895296[/tweet]

Our coach ladies and gents

Boogie! · Post #143 » by **Boogie!** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:02 pm

nivea_ wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/JLew1050/status/592030132291895296[/tweet]

Our coach ladies and gents

glad he cleared that up. if he didn't i would've assumed they were all going to literally die.

Son Goku 25 · Post #144 » by **Son Goku 25** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:06 pm

littlerock2277 wrote:
ms25 wrote:I won't lie, I actually feel bad for Casey. He's a good person but just not the coach we need, if only he could be an assistant. Hopefully he gets a job in no time if he is in fact let go.

Usually i would agree with this, but i have no sympathy for this man he embarrassed our whole fanbase with his stubbornness and his inability to make in game adjustments.

Once we lose tomorrow i will gladly help him pack his back his bags out of Toronto once he gets fired.

Maybe i am being to harsh on the guy but man we deserve better than this, i liked him more last year because he made this team play hard and fight everyday, but man he just needs to go we been embarrassed enough already

I hear ya man, sometimes its tough trying to look out for yourself and please everyone, I'm sure he thought he was doing the right thing but just sucked lol also,

SFour · Post #145 » by **SFour** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:11 pm

Even the Nets can win a game against the Hawks...

Randle McMurphy · Post #146 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:12 pm

knickerbocker2k2 wrote:You can say the same about Lowry. That is my whole point. I'm not advocating we make DD our "alpha dog". We need to start playing the mold of teams like the Hawks. Having well rounded team with balance scoring and responsibility.

Lowry 2014-2015: 3.90 RPM (1st on team, 30th in NBA), 9.38 WAR (1st on team, 29th in NBA), 7.1 WS (2nd on team, 35th in NBA) 3.6 BPM (1st on team, 26th in NBA) 3.4 VORP (1st on team, 24th in NBA).

DeRozan 2014-2015: 0.01 RPM (7th on team, 149th in NBA), 3.06 WAR (6th on team, 116th in NBA), 4.0 WS (7th on team, 117th in NBA), -1.6 BPM (11th on team, 270th in NBA), 0.2 VORP (9th on team, 226th in NBA).

This idea that DeRozan is somehow comparable to Lowry as a player really needs to stop. He's not only not a legit #1/#2 option in the NBA, but he's also not particularly good at all.

Lowry kept this team afloat with his very high level of play (top 15) dating back to last December (2013). When that level finally stopped and the others had to step up to make up for that production, we saw what this team actually was. It wasn't pretty.

Boogie! · Post #147 » by **Boogie!** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:12 pm

i remember before the season i said lou williams should only get spot minutes on this team because he was redundant with vasquez. i was really happy with the james johnson signing, however, and i thought if johnson got salmons role from last year we'd be a much better team… i mean if we were that good with salmons, imagine how good we could be with jj… that hot start really deluded a lot of people, myself included… in fact, i think casey was so convinced by that start that he refuses to make any changes because he still thinks that team exists here… except he hasn't woken up from his fantasy and realized that it wasn't sustainable basketball and those same lineups and that same style can't win anymore… he stuck with the system that made them 36-17 and ignored the fact that the same system led them to a 13-16 record down the stretch…

however, despite a lot of strategical and systemic issues, there were also a lot of issues with role definition and lowry turning to absolute scrub material also played a huge part in their demise… the raptors went from being a solid team, with solid role definition, with guys all working together, 1 through 10 to win games, to becoming a team that can't defend and completely relies on 3 players to score, 2 of which are super selfish, iso heavy and inefficient, while one is now plain garbage. this is why we stink. we went from the perfect formula for success to the perfect storm for failure...

joseph227 · Post #148 » by **joseph227** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:17 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:
knickerbocker2k2 wrote:You can say the same about Lowry. That is my whole point. I'm not advocating we make DD our "alpha dog". We need to start playing the mold of teams like the Hawks. Having well rounded team with balance scoring and responsibility.

Lowry 2014-2015: 3.90 RPM (1st on team, 30th in NBA), 9.38 WAR (1st on team, 29th in NBA), 7.1 WS (2nd on team, 35th in NBA) 3.6 BPM (1st on team, 26th in NBA) 3.4 VORP (1st on team, 24th in NBA).

DeRozan 2014-2015: 0.01 RPM (7th on team, 149th in NBA), 3.06 WAR (6th on team, 116th in NBA), 4.0 WS (7th on team, 117th in NBA), -1.6 BPM (11th on team, 270th in NBA), 0.2 VORP (9th on team, 226th in NBA).

This idea that DeRozan is somehow comparable to Lowry as a player really needs to stop. He's not only not a legit #1/#2 option in the NBA, but he's also not particularly good at all.

Lowry kept this team afloat with his very high level of play (top 15) dating back to last December (2013). When that level finally stopped and the others had to step up to make up for that production, we saw what this team actually was. It wasn't pretty.

I really hope Masai is not dumb enough to give DD an extension after next year.

Randle McMurphy · Post #149 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:22 pm

joseph227 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
knickerbocker2k2 wrote:You can say the same about Lowry. That is my whole point. I'm not advocating we make DD our "alpha dog". We need to start playing the mold of teams like the Hawks. Having well rounded team with balance scoring and responsibility.

Lowry 2014-2015: 3.90 RPM (1st on team, 30th in NBA), 9.38 WAR (1st on team, 29th in NBA), 7.1 WS (2nd on team, 35th in NBA) 3.6 BPM (1st on team, 26th in NBA) 3.4 VORP (1st on team, 24th in NBA).

DeRozan 2014-2015: 0.01 RPM (7th on team, 149th in NBA), 3.06 WAR (6th on team, 116th in NBA), 4.0 WS (7th on team, 117th in NBA), -1.6 BPM (11th on team, 270th in NBA), 0.2 VORP (9th on team, 226th in NBA).

This idea that DeRozan is somehow comparable to Lowry as a player really needs to stop. He's not only not a legit #1/#2 option in the NBA, but he's also not particularly good at all.

Lowry kept this team afloat with his very high level of play (top 15) dating back to last December (2013). When that level finally stopped and the others had to step up to make up for that production, we saw what this team actually was. It wasn't pretty.

I really hope Masai is not dumb enough to give DD an extension after next year.

Masai should be dealing DeRozan for anything he can get, not giving him more years. We truly are lost if he does the opposite.

Boogie! · Post #150 » by **Boogie!** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:32 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:
joseph227 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:Lowry 2014-2015: 3.90 RPM (1st on team, 30th in NBA), 9.38 WAR (1st on team, 29th in NBA), 7.1 WS (2nd on team, 35th in NBA) 3.6 BPM (1st on team, 26th in NBA) 3.4 VORP (1st on team, 24th in NBA).

DeRozan 2014-2015: 0.01 RPM (7th on team, 149th in NBA), 3.06 WAR (6th on team, 116th in NBA), 4.0 WS (7th on team, 117th in NBA), -1.6 BPM (11th on team, 270th in NBA), 0.2 VORP (9th on team, 226th in NBA).

This idea that DeRozan is somehow comparable to Lowry as a player really needs to stop. He's not only not a legit #1/#2 option in the NBA, but he's also not particularly good at all.

Lowry kept this team afloat with his very high level of play (top 15) dating back to last December (2013). When that level finally stopped and the others had to step up to make up for that production, we saw what this team actually was. It wasn't pretty.

I really hope Masai is not dumb enough to give DD an extension after next year.

Masai should be dealing DeRozan for anything he can get, not giving him more years. We truly are lost if he does the opposite.

demar has become one of the most overrated players in franchise history….

Hit Em Up · Post #151 » by **Hit Em Up** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:32 pm

Can't wait to stop reading realgm after this game. Spend way too much time on here.

knickerbocker2k2 · Post #152 » by **knickerbocker2k2** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:32 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:[
Lowry kept this team afloat with his very high level of play (top 15) dating back to last December (2013). When that level finally stopped and the others had to step up to make up for that production, we saw what this team actually was. It wasn't pretty.

I think Raptors were top 5 in the league in wins from Dec 2013 to Dec 2014.

Your argument = Lowry very high level play (MPV Candidate?) = Kept Raptors afloat (top 5 is more than afloat)
Lowry not MVP Candidate = Raptors are garbage

My argument - Yes Lowry played high level, but Lowry was not like Lebron level of talent keeping this team afloat. Even with him playing badly, this team won more games than lost. What you conveniently leave out is that Lowry didn't go from VERY HIGH LEVEL PLAY to Great or Good or Average, but to below average at best play. Worse in the playoffs he is playing like D-Leagure.

I think it would be tough to argue that if Lowry played like average PG, this series would be at worst 2-1 or 2-1 in Raptors favor.

RapsFanInVA · Post #153 » by **RapsFanInVA** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:50 pm

Lou Williams is going off this game and the Raptors will fluke their way to a win, merely delaying the inevitable.

CaptainKoolAid · Post #154 » by **CaptainKoolAid** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:53 pm

i don't care what happens anymore. Hopefully Kyle Lowry's fat ass gets hurt.

joseph227 · Post #155 » by **joseph227** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:55 pm

Boogie! wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
joseph227 wrote:
I really hope Masai is not dumb enough to give DD an extension after next year.

Masai should be dealing DeRozan for anything he can get, not giving him more years. We truly are lost if he does the opposite.

demar has become one of the most overrated players in franchise history….

Because he puts up great volume stats. Just like last night, a lot of people were praising his play because he put up 32 points, but not many mentioned he needed to put up 29 shots for those points and was terrible outside of the first quarter.

MixZone · Post #156 » by **MixZone** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:29 pm

I haven't gotten upset at a raps loss since mid season and at this point wins or losses don't effect me. I just want tip off tomorrow so we can get this overhaul started. As soon as that buzzer goes off and we exit the building the rebuilding process officially begins. A firing here, a trade there. Slowly the wounds from this nightmare will start to heal. And honestly, i cant wait

Berserk_Raptor · Post #157 » by **Berserk_Raptor** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:33 pm

last gamethread of the season guys, its been a good season whatsoever, hopefully, a lot of changes will be made in summer

Ahmedjohnson2 · Post #158 » by **Ahmedjohnson2** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:38 pm

raptors will be care free, pressure is on the wizards

PurpleTrees · Post #159 » by **PurpleTrees** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:39 pm

Guaranteed Casey trots out the Lowry-Lou-Vasquez lineup again.

Naija Boy · Post #160 » by **Naija Boy** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:40 pm

Me neither brah.

Although the sting of a sweep is pretty embarrassing.