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Re: OT: Stephen Curry 53 Pts, 9 Asts, 4 Stls (Oct 31) 

Post#141 » by -TheDocOfDenial » Sun Nov 1, 2015 5:20 am

KingTdot wrote:lol, gsw got so lucky with curry, you guys are complaining how we couldve had him if 2 teams infront of us were stupid, but how do you think the other teams ahead of gsw felt after seeing curry like this? No one thought he would be this good, i knew he would be decent, but never thinking he would be insanely unfair like this.


The reason we complain is because like any tanking effort this team has done, we always **** it up by winning games at the end of the season. As some one else said, BC would have passed on him away because we had Jose and needed a SG.
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Post#142 » by Undefeated » Sun Nov 1, 2015 5:49 am

People are underrating Curry's athleticism here. He isn't athletic in the traditional sense that is often associated with raw power and explosiveness, but he's probably the most athletic player in terms of hand/eye coordination, footwork, balance and ambidexterity that are ignored when evaluating athleticism and is just as equally important. That is what allows him to consistently finish those wrong (don't really like using the term "wrong" since circumstances dictates the types of moves even if it's regarded as unorthodox) footed, no jump extended scoop layups with ridiculous ease that even the elite shot-blockers have no chance of eating and something that not a lot of players can do hence not all players are coordinated. There's really isn't any singular factor that defines his game. Someone could be the smartest player, but if their body isn't in proper shape athletically or vice versa they wouldn't be able to perform certain moves.

Also, here's an article that details how Curry works on his basketball iq:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13836125/nba-how-stephen-curry-golden-state-warriors-gets-even-better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b_h10iglgE&feature=youtu.be&t=64
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Post#143 » by JV4MVP » Sun Nov 1, 2015 1:46 pm







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Post#144 » by Thespianoid » Sun Nov 1, 2015 2:59 pm

Undefeated wrote: Someone could be the smartest player, but if their body isn't in proper shape athletically or vice versa they wouldn't be able to perform certain moves.

Also, here's an article that details how Curry works on his basketball iq:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13836125/nba-how-stephen-curry-golden-state-warriors-gets-even-better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b_h10iglgE&feature=youtu.be&t=64


In that first link, a video of quick Jonas using the FitLight trainer! Seriously, can anyone legitimately say he's still the same physically as he is that video?

Maybe he and the trainers could take your statement there into account.
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Re: RE: Re: OT: Stephen Curry 53 Pts, 9 Asts, 4 Stls (Oct 31) 

Post#145 » by Wo1verine » Sun Nov 1, 2015 5:36 pm

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Boogie! wrote:we were 2 picks away from this guy... sucks...

Winning games that meant nothing towards the end of the season :(

This organization will never learn.


Needed to build a winning culture :nonono: :banghead:

Yes, and if we are good enough, we will have the next LMA ' talk' with us :P
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Post#146 » by Boogie! » Sun Nov 1, 2015 5:47 pm

Undefeated wrote:People are underrating Curry's athleticism here. He isn't athletic in the traditional sense that is often associated with raw power and explosiveness, but he's probably the most athletic player in terms of hand/eye coordination, footwork, balance and ambidexterity that are ignored when evaluating athleticism and is just as equally important. That is what allows him to consistently finish those wrong (don't really like using the term "wrong" since circumstances dictates the types of moves even if it's regarded as unorthodox) footed, no jump extended scoop layups with ridiculous ease that even the elite shot-blockers have no chance of eating and something that not a lot of players can do hence not all players are coordinated. There's really isn't any singular factor that defines his game. Someone could be the smartest player, but if their body isn't in proper shape athletically or vice versa they wouldn't be able to perform certain moves.

Also, here's an article that details how Curry works on his basketball iq:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13836125/nba-how-stephen-curry-golden-state-warriors-gets-even-better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b_h10iglgE&feature=youtu.be&t=64


awesome stuff... i like how theyre trying to train the brain rather than just physical skills.
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Re: OT: Stephen Curry 53 Pts, 9 Asts, 4 Stls (Oct 31) 

Post#147 » by Boogie! » Sun Nov 1, 2015 5:57 pm

KingTdot wrote:lol, gsw got so lucky with curry, you guys are complaining how we couldve had him if 2 teams infront of us were stupid, but how do you think the other teams ahead of gsw felt after seeing curry like this? No one thought he would be this good, i knew he would be decent, but never thinking he would be insanely unfair like this.


yeah its a crapshoot. again no one could have predicted that he would be one of the greatest shooters of all time. hes a great all around player with a lot of skills and decent athleticism but his shooting is otherworldly... i wouldnt say that gs got "lucky" either considering they took him with the 7th pick... pretty high for someone with his skillset coming out of college... i think curry's stock was based more from his production rather than skillset... which is a risk because a lot of players can produce in college and do nothing in the league... which is why a lot of guys get drafted on potential and athleticism and skills even if they didnt put up ungodly numbers in college. currys game just really translated well into the league because he takes and makes tough shots... a lot of his baskets, you would say are pretty bad shots if it wasnt stephen curry taking them... its like we get pissed at demar for taking pull up long 2s all the time... if he made them at a near 50% rate no one would say theyre bad shots... curry takes a whole lot of pull up 3s and youre like wtf and then they just keep going in, so for him its a good shot... its like dirk and his off balance one legged jumpers... horribly awkward shots but he makes them... you just gotta tip your hat to him.
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Re: OT: Stephen Curry 53 Pts, 9 Asts, 4 Stls (Oct 31) 

Post#148 » by tsherkin » Sun Nov 1, 2015 6:56 pm

Boogie! wrote:its like we get pissed at demar for taking pull up long 2s all the time... if he made them at a near 50% rate no one would say theyre bad shots...


The anger is more over that he doesn't take advantage of his actual strengths and he DOES keep going to shots he doesn't hit very well. Outlier shooters, yeah, they can do that... but for every Curry or Nash or Dirk or even Chris Paul just had a season a hair shy of 49% from 16-23 FT, there are thousands of guys who should be beaten with sticks for approaching the game the way those guys do. Curry is literally the arguable GOAT shooter in the history of the league, and is so far separated from most other players in this regard that he really does change the definition of a what is and is not a good shot... for him.

curry takes a whole lot of pull up 3s and youre like wtf and then they just keep going in, so for him its a good shot... its like dirk and his off balance one legged jumpers... horribly awkward shots but he makes them... you just gotta tip your hat to him.


Sure, or Jordan's miracle abuse of the fadeaway or whatever. Great players have counters and strengths that make you unable to really stop them, because they can get to their spots and make their pet shots time and again.



On draft day, though, you're totally right: no one expected THIS from Steph. I mean he was a killer scorer at Davidson, but THIS? At the time, he seemed in many ways like a more athletic JJ Redick to some. A short guy with scoring moves that worked at the NCAA level which might or might not translate to the NBA, but with a killer shot. Now, he's redefining the possible in the NBA with his game, much in the way which we have seen from other ATG players.

Most of Curry's shots aren't actually that awkward. He makes quick decisions and he's got a very fast release. He gets himself set and into his motion very, very quickly and he's comfortable shooting like that. The issue is more that he's so good at doing it in volume, off of a catch or off of a dribble, around a screen, whatever, that you can't really do much to defend it. 3pt shots are very difficult to defend on-ball, and the saving grace is usually that on-ball 3s are way low-percentage because they're typically unassisted. With Curry, he can bomb away at 11 per game and still be shooting over 40%... which is just cheat-code level ridiculous. That's me on 2K10 with my edited-in cheat player of cheatiness kind of play, you know what I mean?

That he also has one of the tightest handles in the league, good footwork and a strong understanding of how to abuse the threat of his shot to gain entry into the lane, and can use screens well while passing very effectively makes him a horrendously evil offensive dynamo. He's got skills all across the offensive spectrum which come alive, and he's not a one-trick pony. He has a core skill, but he's a well-rounded offensive threat, and that's what really makes him epic-level dangerous.

It's the same deal with Dirk and most other guys you want to reference. They've got a basic platform upon which they operate, but they don't spam the SAME thing all game long; it's the diversity of ability which really makes them nasty. Jordan could drive for days, for sure, but he had all kinds of basic dribble moves setting up an elite jumper, plus he moved well without the ball. Dirk has maybe the best perimeter two-point jumper in league history, but is an elite 3pt shooter who can post with a couple of different finishes and moves well without the ball. Curry's disgusting on or off of the ball and has the ATG volume 3pt shot. Etc, etc, etc.
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Post#149 » by LLJ » Sun Nov 1, 2015 7:01 pm

Haha. I bet half the posters here didn't even want Curry on draft night. I'll admit I wasn't very high on him. In the last 10 years, he's the guy I underestimated most coming into the NBA.
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Post#150 » by Mikistan » Sun Nov 1, 2015 9:20 pm

This charlotte - atlanta game is pretty crazy right now

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Post#151 » by Dr Positivity » Mon Nov 2, 2015 1:40 am

Wow the Rockets had been up 15-20 and looked like they were cruising, next time I checked they lost the game by 20?
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Post#152 » by nabbs » Mon Nov 2, 2015 2:28 am

Rockets are the first team in NBA history to have three straight 20 point losses O_O THey desperately need D12 back.
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Post#153 » by EG73 » Mon Nov 2, 2015 2:45 am

nabbs wrote:Rockets are the first team in NBA history to have three straight 20 point losses O_O THey desperately need D12 back.

This is a surprising record. We would expect that kind of record by a lottery team.
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Post#154 » by Undefeated » Mon Nov 2, 2015 2:50 am

Lakers are trash
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Post#155 » by nabbs » Mon Nov 2, 2015 3:08 am

Undefeated wrote:Lakers are trash



Agreed. They just look like they have no structure in their play. It's either set a screen or dump it to kobe and bank on him creating his own shot.
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Post#156 » by djsunyc » Mon Nov 2, 2015 3:31 am

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Post#157 » by Steve Urkel » Mon Nov 2, 2015 3:36 am

Undefeated wrote:Lakers are trash

Their team is the chuck all-stars
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Post#158 » by Thespianoid » Mon Nov 2, 2015 6:28 am

So Julius Randle had a good game finally.
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Post#159 » by LLJ » Mon Nov 2, 2015 4:35 pm

Can't wait until Kobe chews out Lou and somebody gifs it. You can tell with each passing game that Kobe can't stand the guy. Even though at this point it's basically hating someone who plays like him anyway.
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Post#160 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Mon Nov 2, 2015 5:38 pm

LLJ wrote:Can't wait until Kobe chews out Lou and somebody gifs it. You can tell with each passing game that Kobe can't stand the guy. Even though at this point it's basically hating someone who plays like him anyway.


I was watching the game last night, and Kobe looked visibly upset throughout the game. I think the losing is going to get to him, eventually.

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