Shams: Cleveland and Boston have agreement on deal to send Kyrie Irving to the Celtics for Isaiah Thomas package to Cavs

[Moose23]

wasnt most of you posters, within the past month, talking about how **** the brooklyn pick will be and how terrible IT is?

And now that boston has moved them, their are gold star pieces....

[Double Helix]

IT was basically the blue collar, low cost version of Kyrie Irving's all offence/no defence impact.

To basically get the better version of that (with way less heart and fight and grit) while sacrificing your poor man's version + Jae Crowder + a top 3 pick in a great draft + Zizic is pretty insane. I wasn't super high on Thomas as a primary guy but on the Cavs he can slot right into that Kyrie role.

Boston moves from being possibly the next great dynasty to a position of some NBA finals appearances in the post Lebron era. They lost insane defense. Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder both out. Crazy.

The Cavs get a great haul to build with if Lebron leaves.

Raptors lose by both of our biggest rivals working together. The bright side is that when we next rebuild we'll be rebuilding more to rise up when the 76ers begin to fade than the Celtics.

I'm not huge on Brown or Tatum. I think there's a chance that the top 4 pick next year could be better than either. I also think Smart is overrated.

[rapstarter]

wasnt most of you posters, within the past month, talking about how **** the brooklyn pick will be and how terrible IT is?

And now that boston has moved them, their are gold star pieces....

There are people who genuinely believe every roster move in the NBA somehow benefits the Raptors.

[YogurtProducer]

IT was basically the blue collar, low cost version of Kyrie Irving's all offence/no defence impact.

To basically get the better version of that (with way less heart and fight and grit) while sacrificing your poor man's version + Jae Crowder + a top 3 pick in a great draft + Zizic is pretty insane. I wasn't super high on Thomas as a primary guy but on the Cavs he can slot right into that Kyrie role.

Boston moves from being possibly the next great dynasty to a position of some NBA finals appearances in the post Lebron era. They lost insane defense. Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder both out. Crazy.

The Cavs get a great haul to build with if Lebron leaves.

Raptors lose by both of our biggest rivals working together. The bright side is that when we next rebuild we'll be rebuilding more to rise up when the 76ers begin to fade than the Celtics.

I'm not huge on Brown or Tatum. I think there's a chance that the top 4 pick next year could be better than either. I also think Smart is overrated.

Raptors win here imo. Cavs get better (but we weren't winning against them anyways. Boston potentially get worse today (could see it either way) and they definitely get worse in the future and approach topping out. Celtics shouldn't have given up that pick

[PhilBlackson]

Betting the Cavs are going to use that pick to trade for a veteran all star at the deadline in a last ditch effort to convince LeBron to stay and win a championship.

That's their smartest move n would be his. IT vs Curry is kinda a wash n Crowder helps tighten up defensively especially on Klay n Draymond. Not to mention they swapped out Deron Williams for Derrick Rose as their back up. Unbelievably the Cavs just got even better and even more unbelievable if they can flip that pick n say Tristan for an all star/borderline all star they actually become even more stacked than GState imo n have done the seemingly impossible all thanks to Ainge's incompetence.

[zilby]

I fail to see how Boston is any better after this trade, unless they know something about Isaiah and his hip that nobody else does. Their ball movement gets worse, they lose the guy who was their best defender after Bradley's trade, and Zizic probably would've provided rebounding for them that they desperately needed.

In theory, Cavs do really well in this trade. They can stay competitive in 2018, Crowder is on a team-friendly contract that could be flipped very easily if they need it, and the BKN pick is obviously tempting. But IT's hip is a huge concern, and Brooklyn may be better than expected this year with their added talent (although we can expect them to go #1 still because Cleveland).

This could end up being a trade for the sake of making a trade, but at least Boston won't be the team handcuffed to IT's max contract next year. I can see this trade being good, and I can also see it being very bad for both sides. Big TBD.

[TackyRapsFan]

LOL,

Abandon ship!


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[ash_k]

Kyrie, GordonH, Horford as your big 3 with 2 talented kids?? all playing together for the first time.
IT, Bradley, Crowford (and Horford) were much more of a super pesky bunch!

the combination of Kyle, DeMar, Ibaka, JV and the rest is a superior bunch.

[LJKO]

Boston in shambles and feels good

[Johnny Bball]

Boston gave up waaaaay to much

Hopefully the 2018 draft is awful

Its not bad at the top.

I'm pretty happy if I'm Cleveland. A top pick, Crowder who's cheap and IT can play pretty close to as well as Kyrie, just costs a ton more. And... if James leaves, then you pretty much don't have to sign IT.

Not really certain what Boston is doing here. With all the options they had to trade this pick (Butler, George etc.) this seems like the worst. Ainge just perplexes me.

[PhilBlackson]

IT was basically the blue collar, low cost version of Kyrie Irving's all offence/no defence impact.

To basically get the better version of that (with way less heart and fight and grit) while sacrificing your poor man's version + Jae Crowder + a top 3 pick in a great draft + Zizic is pretty insane. I wasn't super high on Thomas as a primary guy but on the Cavs he can slot right into that Kyrie role.

Boston moves from being possibly the next great dynasty to a position of some NBA finals appearances in the post Lebron era. They lost insane defense. Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder both out. Crazy.

The Cavs get a great haul to build with if Lebron leaves.

Raptors lose by both of our biggest rivals working together. The bright side is that when we next rebuild we'll be rebuilding more to rise up when the 76ers begin to fade than the Celtics.

I'm not huge on Brown or Tatum. I think there's a chance that the top 4 pick next year could be better than either. I also think Smart is overrated.

Raptors win here imo. Cavs get better (but we weren't winning against them anyways. Boston potentially get worse today (could see it either way) and they definitely get worse in the future and approach topping out. Celtics shouldn't have given up that pick

While the Celtics lost, the Raptors are definitely not winners lol they're irrelevant.

CLE is even more stacked than before so no chance we beat them n likewise have greatly improved their odds of keeping LBJ because they also have a pick to dangle to add yet another star to their already LOADED team.

We have a fake "3 year window" but we didn't filly commit to it. We took a HALF MEASURE. We brought back the MEDIUM 3 and won't use our young guys in a trade to try and find a star and pissed away a pick to dump a crappy contract Masai made...although likely that roleplaying youth likely isn't good enough to get an all star back in a trade and equally unable to help propel us by the Cavs and Celtics. Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum etc will only be getting better with time where as old ass Lowry n Ibaka will be declining. Least we forget D Wade will likely join CLE so yeah we're just EC fodder like the rest of it.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Boston in shambles and feels good

Says who? I'm pretty happy about the deal. Especially when the Lakers pick conveys and ends up being higher than the Nets pick.

[raptorstime]

ainge is overrated enough said

[Zeno]

I have a feeling the Cavs still might try to keep Lebron and flip Zizic and the Brooklyn pick for a 4th star to compete with the Warriors. Let's say Shumpert, Zizic and the Nets pick for Marc Gasol.

[Maximillion]

Boston in shambles and feels good

Says who? I'm pretty happy about the deal. Especially when the Lakers pick conveys and ends up being higher than the Nets pick.

The only way Ainge looks semi-competent is if he has knowledge that IT2's hip problems are serious enough to lower his value drastically. Still not enough to make it a good trade. Celtics fans will be hoping all year that the Nets pick falls to like 7-8.

Also, Irving could very easily leave in two years. Not much of a "for the future" type of trade when you're potentially trading away a potential 2018 unprotected top 5 pick for two years of slight upgrade at PG.

Honestly, if I was a Celtics fan I’d be pissed off to think all those assets accumulated along the years could potentially turn into two years of Irving/Heyward/Horford as the nucleus. That’s it?!

[GooniesNeverDie]

Betting the Cavs are going to use that pick to trade for a veteran all star at the deadline in a last ditch effort to convince LeBron to stay and win a championship.

That's their smartest move n would be his. IT vs Curry is kinda a wash n Crowder helps tighten up defensively especially on Klay n Draymond. Not to mention they swapped out Deron Williams for Derrick Rose as their back up. Unbelievably the Cavs just got even better and even more unbelievable if they can flip that pick n say Tristan for an all star/borderline all star they actually become even more stacked than GState imo n have done the seemingly impossible all thanks to Ainge's incompetence.

in what world? curry is FAR superior.

[RaptorsNorth]

The trade benefits both teams but I think the Cavs won this trade. They replaced kyrie with another allstar PG and got even more icing on the cake. They got a 2 way player in crowder and you know lebron will only maKe him look better offensively. Either way both these teams are better than us. The race in the East is clearly between the celtics and The cavs. Everybody else will be fighting for 3rd.

[PhilBlackson]

I have a feeling the Cavs still might try to keep Lebron and flip Zizic and the Brooklyn pick for a 4th star to compete with the Warriors. Let's say Shumpert, Zizic and the Nets pick for Marc Gasol.

The player would be Tristan for contract reasons n LBJ hate for Khloe.

Also if they got Gasol they don't "compete" they unbelievably found a way to surpass GSW to create the most insanely stacked team I've seen.

[YogurtProducer]

IT was basically the blue collar, low cost version of Kyrie Irving's all offence/no defence impact.

To basically get the better version of that (with way less heart and fight and grit) while sacrificing your poor man's version + Jae Crowder + a top 3 pick in a great draft + Zizic is pretty insane. I wasn't super high on Thomas as a primary guy but on the Cavs he can slot right into that Kyrie role.

Boston moves from being possibly the next great dynasty to a position of some NBA finals appearances in the post Lebron era. They lost insane defense. Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder both out. Crazy.

The Cavs get a great haul to build with if Lebron leaves.

Raptors lose by both of our biggest rivals working together. The bright side is that when we next rebuild we'll be rebuilding more to rise up when the 76ers begin to fade than the Celtics.

I'm not huge on Brown or Tatum. I think there's a chance that the top 4 pick next year could be better than either. I also think Smart is overrated.

Raptors win here imo. Cavs get better (but we weren't winning against them anyways. Boston potentially get worse today (could see it either way) and they definitely get worse in the future and approach topping out. Celtics shouldn't have given up that pick

While the Celtics lost, the Raptors are definitely not winners lol they're irrelevant.

CLE is even more stacked than before so no chance we beat them n likewise have greatly improved their odds of keeping LBJ because they also have a pick to dangle to add yet another star to their already LOADED team.

We have a fake "3 year window" but we didn't filly commit to it. We took a HALF MEASURE. We brought back the MEDIUM 3 and won't use our young guys in a trade to try and find a star and pissed away a pick to dump a crappy contract Masai made...although likely that roleplaying youth likely isn't good enough to get an all star back in a trade and equally unable to help propel us by the Cavs and Celtics. Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum etc will only be getting better with time where as old ass Lowry n Ibaka will be declining. Least we forget D Wade will likely join CLE so yeah we're just EC fodder like the rest of it.

Cavs don't change. It Still all comes down to LBJs performance as he is the only one who matters in that series. If he's hurt we win.

They also didn't add a star.. they downgraded to IT and added Crowder while losing Kyrie. Where is this other star coming from?

What package was Masai to make again to get another star..? I fail to see what deal he missed out on.

Regarding Boston, Horford is already north of 30, and Kyrie is not a true star. I like Hayward a love, but that teams ceiling isn't better than last years Cavaliers that got killed in the finals and only won 51 games. Hayward isn't better then Lebron. Kyrie is Kyrie. Horford isn't better than Love. Plus Cleveland had TT, Smith, Frye, etc. Sure Boston has Tatum and Brown, but odds are they don't pan out and by the time they actually contribute Horford will he nearly done and Kyrie/Gordon will be on the decline.

Raptors could easily beat out Boston next year. The only elite team in the East continues to be Cleveland

[Throwback24]

The issue you guys are projecting the Nets as one of the worst teams in the lg when they are not.