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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#141 » by TheAlchemist » Sun Feb 4, 2018 9:48 pm

douggood wrote:
TheAlchemist wrote:An actual great trade would be Norm + other contracts for Aaron Gordon.

I see the trade profitable for both teams.

Off-season sure, but right now norm can't be traded and we are not allowed to trade with orlando till off-season. By then Aaron will be a rfa.


If Aaron Gordon gets 10 - 15 million, I'm down to trade Powell + Siakim for him.

But would he himself be a Poison pill contract?

That being said I'd love love love to do a trade like that. Of course I'd like Powell to still be on the team but he's one of our players that have that value.

A backup front court of Aaron Gordon and Poetl is terrorizing.

I can't imagine a better scenario.

They'd probably ask for O.G though.

But a lineup of

Poetl
Gordon
O.G
FVV
Delon

Is disgustingly good
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#142 » by macNcheese3 » Sun Feb 4, 2018 9:50 pm

no surprise here. he's on an affordable K compared to others.
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#143 » by TheAlchemist » Sun Feb 4, 2018 9:52 pm

douggood wrote:
TheAlchemist wrote:An actual great trade would be Norm + other contracts for Aaron Gordon.

I see the trade profitable for both teams.

Off-season sure, but right now norm can't be traded and we are not allowed to trade with orlando till off-season. By then Aaron will be a rfa.


If Aaron Gordon gets 10 - 15 million, I'm down to trade Powell + Siakim for him.

But would he himself be a Poison pill contract?

That being said I'd love love love to do a trade like that. Of course I'd like Powell to still be on the team but he's one of our players that have that value.

A backup front court of Aaron Gordon and Poetl is terrorizing.

I can't imagine a better scenario.

They'd probably ask for O.G though.

But a lineup of

Poetl
Gordon
O.G
FVV
Delon

Is disgustingly good. We'll be more then relevant after the DD and Lowry era.

To be honest, if the kids are doing well and the brick bros can't get us past the hump, I'd trade both of them for assets alongside Ibaka, if we had a young talented group like the lineup I mentioned. For DD we would get a hell of a lot of picks and a prospect or two.
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#144 » by Tacoma » Sun Feb 4, 2018 10:30 pm

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According to league sources, Toronto has made guard Norman Powell available in trade discussions. The emergence of rookie O.G. Anunoby has made Powell expendable.


https://theathletic.com/229016/2018/02/01/scotto-breaking-down-the-nba-trade-deadline-possibilities-team-by-team/


Who is M. Scotto and what kind of two-bit publication is The Athletic? This article is based on a false premise that Powell can be traded this season. Per CBA rules, Norm cannot be traded until he has officially entered his new agreement which is NEXT SEASON. For better or worse, we are stuck with Norm this season. End of conversation.

To use an overused Trump-ism, this is fake news and we are spreading it. This thread needs to end.
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#145 » by TheAlchemist » Sun Feb 4, 2018 10:39 pm

Tacoma wrote:
Raps Militia wrote:
According to league sources, Toronto has made guard Norman Powell available in trade discussions. The emergence of rookie O.G. Anunoby has made Powell expendable.


https://theathletic.com/229016/2018/02/01/scotto-breaking-down-the-nba-trade-deadline-possibilities-team-by-team/


Who is M. Scotto and what kind of two-bit publication is The Athletic? This article is based on a false premise that Powell can be traded this season. Per CBA rules, Norm cannot be traded until he has officially entered his new agreement which is NEXT SEASON. For better or worse, we are stuck with Norm this season. End of conversation.

To use an overused Trump-ism, this is fake news and we are spreading it. This thread needs to end.



What if the premise is wrong, but Toronto has let other teams know Powell is available in the off season?
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#146 » by Zeno » Sun Feb 4, 2018 10:47 pm

Maybe Masai is trying a bait and switch. "damn it, I just found out from my cap guy that Norm can't be traded but perhaps I could interest you in a few Brazilians."
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#147 » by OAKLEY_2 » Wed Feb 7, 2018 4:13 pm

FluLikeSymptoms wrote:I don’t know why MJ would want Kyle.


Who said anything about trading Kyle? Not me.
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#148 » by peralta » Wed Feb 7, 2018 4:21 pm

he cant be traded...they just signed him for an extension. Powell’s recent extension made him not eligible to be moved for another couple of months, and with the deadline on Thursday that means he can’t be moved until the Raptors’ season/post-season is over.
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#149 » by ishoy123 » Wed Feb 7, 2018 4:45 pm

Do people actually think FVV is going to get paid this offseason? At best he's an off-the-bench point guard making $5-$6m. I wouldn't be surprised if Wright has more interest around the league due to this length and athleticism.
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#150 » by Kinger95 » Wed Feb 7, 2018 5:02 pm

ishoy123 wrote:Do people actually think FVV is going to get paid this offseason? At best he's an off-the-bench point guard making $5-$6m. I wouldn't be surprised if Wright has more interest around the league due to this length and athleticism.


I really think other teams might overlook him simply because of the trend of guys wanting guards that are explosive and can break down a defense. Also nobody wants to be stuck paying a guy 8-10 mill like Delladova to come off the bench. It might even help us that Fred doesn’t look the part of “high profile signing”. Lastly you have to look at who has a need at PG and if they have more than MLE.

I think we get Fred back for something in the 4 year-22 million range. Would be sweet if we could get a team option instead of a player option. It’s night and day the value that difference it makes as it give the team options instead of being at the players will regarding the last year
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#151 » by Dennis 37 » Wed Feb 7, 2018 5:14 pm

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DreamTeam09 wrote:This is crazy to me because FVV despite how good he is playing is a 3rd string pg here. I’m taking Delon and norm and would much rather pay them their value rather than FVV and pay him whatever he is going to get. Y’all are in the what have you done for me lately stage, which is fine and fair. FVV has outplayed both of them this year and I’d much rather go fwd with both Delon and Norm rather than FVV.

understatement of the year...
you want to go with delon and norm despite the fact that fvv has outplayed them? And remember fvv was showing sparks last year too; he was a little too wild and out of control then. delon and norm haven't made any significant leaps in their games, not to mention they're older i.e. they're getting close to their ceilings while fvv still on the way up.


FVV's floor is now Damon Stoudamire! 8-) His ceiling may be Lowry. :D


He is very close to Damon, but not quite. Damon's passing ability was superior.
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#152 » by Mister Ze » Wed Feb 7, 2018 5:16 pm

ishoy123 wrote:Do people actually think FVV is going to get paid this offseason? At best he's an off-the-bench point guard making $5-$6m. I wouldn't be surprised if Wright has more interest around the league due to this length and athleticism.

He's definitely a bench PG but I fear he could command more than 5-6 million. Since January he's playing great basketball in a 6 man type of roll where he closes games.

Imagine if he goes off in the playoffs and a team says - I want that guy as my 6th man.
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#153 » by wtcantfw » Wed Feb 7, 2018 5:23 pm

Dennis 37 wrote:
Psubs wrote:
AkelaLoneWolf wrote:understatement of the year...
you want to go with delon and norm despite the fact that fvv has outplayed them? And remember fvv was showing sparks last year too; he was a little too wild and out of control then. delon and norm haven't made any significant leaps in their games, not to mention they're older i.e. they're getting close to their ceilings while fvv still on the way up.


FVV's floor is now Damon Stoudamire! 8-) His ceiling may be Lowry. :D


He is very close to Damon, but not quite. Damon's passing ability was superior.

I hope you're being sarcastic because Damon was the starting PG for a strong Portland team that made the WCF in back-to-back seasons. FVV is a bench player.
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#154 » by AreBe » Wed Feb 7, 2018 5:40 pm

Do not trade a player when value is low. Do not do it.Buy low sell high, not the other way around.
Think of the stock market. You know what suckers do? Suckers sell when the market is tanking. You know what the "banksters" do? Laugh and laugh as people sell off shares,and the Banksters might even sell half of their holdings in Company Whatever, and the banksters buy back twice the number of shares in Company Whatever then they sold, buying all at 4 pm, buying low, and then two days later or two months later when the price has recovered, they sell at the higher market value half of what they bought at rock bottom price, and they do that once a day and make a billion a month. Made tons of money and have the same number of shares as when they started. Smart. Really freaking smart.

Similarly - you do not trade Powell who is undervalued now. You hold on to him and have him recover, then you trade him hopefully to someone who is panicking and undervaluing their assets, so the Raptors come out ahead.
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That is to say: you need your analytics based statican scouts take a long view of your own assets and account for an off year or struggles etc, and then not trade that guy away, but do find a struggling guy on another team (undervalued) and get him for a bag of peanuts who may need a change of scenery, and return to prior form of draining 10 threes and taking 10 charges a game.
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#155 » by Dennis 37 » Wed Feb 7, 2018 5:46 pm

wtcantfw wrote:
Dennis 37 wrote:
Psubs wrote:
FVV's floor is now Damon Stoudamire! 8-) His ceiling may be Lowry. :D


He is very close to Damon, but not quite. Damon's passing ability was superior.

I hope you're being sarcastic because Damon was the starting PG for a strong Portland team that made the WCF in back-to-back seasons. FVV is a bench player.


I'm comparing him to how he was as a Raptor. Damon was early in his career, FVV is early in his. FVV has gone from undrafted to holding his own against elite teams. Raptors lost against Washington, not because DeRozan or Lowry were out, but because FVV was out. Had we had Lowry when we had Damon, Damon would have started as a bench player.
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#156 » by FluLikeSymptoms » Wed Feb 7, 2018 9:03 pm

True or false:

Norm could be traded on draft night as a poison pill contract
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#157 » by tdot56 » Wed Feb 7, 2018 10:02 pm

ishoy123 wrote:Do people actually think FVV is going to get paid this offseason? At best he's an off-the-bench point guard making $5-$6m. I wouldn't be surprised if Wright has more interest around the league due to this length and athleticism.


Both get paid norm money or more...

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