Stein/KOC - Heat most interested in Kyle, 76ers/clippers also interested

[kwajo]

The only thing that makes me happy about these Kyle trade rumours is the potential for a last minute bidding war. With LeBron out for a bit, a few other contenders might be thinking their window is a bit more open for a Final run this year and will be desperate to out bid each other for a veteran with championship experience.

[Rapsfan07]

The only thing that makes me happy about these Kyle trade rumours is the potential for a last minute bidding war. With LeBron out for a bit, a few other contenders might be thinking their window is a bit more open for a Final run this year and will be desperate to out bid each other for a veteran with championship experience.

I agree. I expect there to be some very good offers in for Kyle and Norm and if they're still Raptors after the 25th, Masai and Bobby probably should be in the hot seat.

[Rapsfan07]

Would even do a Lowry, Powell, Davis and Baynes for Herro, Olynyk, Dragic, Bradley & Harkless.

Powell & Davis are to help compensate for the loss of Herro, with Lowry being the target of the Heat. Adds more consistent 3pt shooting for Heat's run this year - heard they are near the bottom in 3pt shooting percentage.

Raps swap Baynes for Olynyk (hopefully more competent starting C for Raps), and target the one player worth trading for on the Heat in Herro.

Herro comes cheap for the next couple of years, while the Raps figure out if he can be their solution at SG.

This is a terrible sell low. Lowry, Powell and Davis are all positive assets and we have to be getting back more than just Herro and a bunch of expirings for them.

[Rapsfan07]

I would do Lowry + Powell for Herro, Dragic, Precious and a 1st.

Alternatively I would do Powell, Baynes and TD for Ball and Adams.

the first trade doesnt have enough outgoing salary on the part of Miami
I can't see the Pels dealing a younger restricted free agent for an older unrestricted free agent.

taking the Miami first out and replacing it with Olynyk fixes both our need for a competent big and their need to shed more salary in order to accomodate Norm and Lowry incoming.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I just find the Heat rumour to be way off. Robinson and Herro have wildly different trade values because Herro has much higher potential and is a fixed cost and Robinson will get paid massively this summer. The Raptors insisting on one of them doesn't make sense. Also, there's just no leverage with Philly having no one even close to as good a prospect as Herro (or Robinson). This just feels like something Miami puts out there to say, "they were asking too much."

While the media does pick up on rumours, the Raptors haven't ever negotiated through the media.

Agree 100% with the first paragraph, but disagree with the second. Raps have never before been in the position to auction off valuable players, and trading is what Masai does best. I'm sure he knows how to play the game, and has no compunction about leaking to his media contacts, include Woj, when it benefits the Raptors.

DR??? No f'n way is he a Raptor player. I'd rather trade Lowry to the Clippers for Zubac + filler.

Is Woj actually his contact? I doubt Masai was thrilled that he dumped on him and the Raptors with that Wizards rumour the minute they won the title. I think Masai is cordial to Woj when it comes to PR vehicles like showing up on his podcast, but I doubt he works with him or has any respect for him. The only Woj notes here are that he thinks Masai will hand over Kyle to a place he chooses, because he's a nice guy. Hardly a negotiation tactic or strong position.

As for Stein, I know he's completely out of the loop re the Raptors. He authored the Masai to the Knicks and taking Bobby with him article And then KOC is likely not connected to the Raptors, still very much working his way up as a rumourmonger. And then Shams recently embarrassed the franchise by shaming them for the covid outbreak. There's no way he's getting anything from the Raptors.

[pilkoids]

It would be Dragic/Olynyk a future FRP or nothing for Miami. Theyre not giving up Herro after that playoff performance. He's their future SG.

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If their fans are any indication, they seem very open to dealing all their young guys for KL and Norm to be a favorite in the east

Dragic and Olynyks expiring plus a pick in the year 5030 isn't going to get you any decent player let alone Kyle freaking Lowry. Give me a break....

I'll eat my damn slippers if we get either Herro or Precious

[WeThe2019Champs]

If Lowry gets traded to Miami or Phi we don't play any of these teams remainder of the season.

[mademan]

If their fans are any indication, they seem very open to dealing all their young guys for KL and Norm to be a favorite in the east

Dragic and Olynyks expiring plus a pick in the year 5030 isn't going to get you any decent player let alone Kyle freaking Lowry. Give me a break....

I'll eat my damn slippers if we get either Herro or Precious

Miami has no assets without them or at least none that Toronto would want. Picks in the year 2025 or Duncan Robinson at 15 mill/year isnt enticing in the least

[JB7]

Would even do a Lowry, Powell, Davis and Baynes for Herro, Olynyk, Dragic, Bradley & Harkless.

Powell & Davis are to help compensate for the loss of Herro, with Lowry being the target of the Heat. Adds more consistent 3pt shooting for Heat's run this year - heard they are near the bottom in 3pt shooting percentage.

Raps swap Baynes for Olynyk (hopefully more competent starting C for Raps), and target the one player worth trading for on the Heat in Herro.

Herro comes cheap for the next couple of years, while the Raps figure out if he can be their solution at SG.

This is a terrible sell low. Lowry, Powell and Davis are all positive assets and we have to be getting back more than just Herro and a bunch of expirings for them.

In order to pry Herro away from the Heat, they would need more than just Lowry. The deal above is almost net neutral in terms of pts, rebs, and assists in the current year.

In terms of the future, Powell being a potential UFA, means he will have less value. Heat will have the room to sign players, but they will have a lot coming forward for deals after this move: Lowry, Powell, Robinson, Nunn and Davis.

Unloading Lowry and Powell's future asks, plus replacing them with cheaper contracts (Herro & Flynn) will free up room for Raps to re-sign Olynyk as a potential C, or pursue other options.

Heat do not have a lot of draft picks to offer, and while Achiuwa looks like a solid prospect, where he would fit in the raps rotation is unknown. He cannot be their starting C, and Boucher has established himself as the first big off the bench. So there would not be many minutes for him anyways. Heat would have a definite need for Achiuwa if they are not able to pick up any other C/PF options.

Heat will also want to retain Nunn and DR, as they can contribute immediately to the teams contending status.

[Rapsfan07]

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Would even do a Lowry, Powell, Davis and Baynes for Herro, Olynyk, Dragic, Bradley & Harkless.

Powell & Davis are to help compensate for the loss of Herro, with Lowry being the target of the Heat. Adds more consistent 3pt shooting for Heat's run this year - heard they are near the bottom in 3pt shooting percentage.

Raps swap Baynes for Olynyk (hopefully more competent starting C for Raps), and target the one player worth trading for on the Heat in Herro.

Herro comes cheap for the next couple of years, while the Raps figure out if he can be their solution at SG.

This is a terrible sell low. Lowry, Powell and Davis are all positive assets and we have to be getting back more than just Herro and a bunch of expirings for them.

In order to pry Herro away from the Heat, they would need more than just Lowry. The deal above is almost net neutral in terms of pts, rebs, and assists in the current year.

In terms of the future, Powell being a potential UFA, means he will have less value. Heat will have the room to sign players, but they will have a lot coming forward for deals after this move: Lowry, Powell, Robinson, Nunn and Davis.

Unloading Lowry and Powell's future asks, plus replacing them with cheaper contracts (Herro & Flynn) will free up room for Raps to re-sign Olynyk as a potential C, or pursue other options.

Heat do not have a lot of draft picks to offer, and while Achiuwa looks like a solid prospect, where he would fit in the raps rotation is unknown. He cannot be their starting C, and Boucher has established himself as the first big off the bench. So there would not be many minutes for him anyways. Heat would have a definite need for Achiuwa if they are not able to pick up any other C/PF options.

Heat will also want to retain Nunn and DR, as they can contribute immediately to the teams contending status.

The Heat have room though and after offloading Dragic, Olynyk, Precious and Herro, they should be able to re-sign everyone. I do believe everyone will take a discount to be on a contender, especially Norm and Lowry.

[Yeezus_]

The only thing that makes me happy about these Kyle trade rumours is the potential for a last minute bidding war. With LeBron out for a bit, a few other contenders might be thinking their window is a bit more open for a Final run this year and will be desperate to out bid each other for a veteran with championship experience.

I agree. I expect there to be some very good offers in for Kyle and Norm and if they're still Raptors after the 25th, Masai and Bobby probably should be in the hot seat.

Hot seat for not trading Lowry and Powell? Lol. How can you come to that conclusion if you don't know the conversations taking place internally and with other organizations?

[gerrit4]

The only thing that makes me happy about these Kyle trade rumours is the potential for a last minute bidding war. With LeBron out for a bit, a few other contenders might be thinking their window is a bit more open for a Final run this year and will be desperate to out bid each other for a veteran with championship experience.

I agree. I expect there to be some very good offers in for Kyle and Norm and if they're still Raptors after the 25th, Masai and Bobby probably should be in the hot seat.

Hot seat for not trading Lowry and Powell? Lol. How can you come to that conclusion if you don't know the conversations taking place internally and with other organizations?

I'd argue that Masai/Bobby have more value to us than any return we get back on a Lowry/Norm trade.

If we do go forward without a trade this season, I'll just be hoping that there's some sort of plan for next year to balance out the roster and get us back on track. Personally, I can't see a way forward that doesn't involve trading one of those guys (or Pascal in the summer), as it's not realistic to bring back the same team next year.

[Yeezus_]

I agree. I expect there to be some very good offers in for Kyle and Norm and if they're still Raptors after the 25th, Masai and Bobby probably should be in the hot seat.

Hot seat for not trading Lowry and Powell? Lol. How can you come to that conclusion if you don't know the conversations taking place internally and with other organizations?

I'd argue that Masai/Bobby have more value to us than any return we get back on a Lowry/Norm trade.

If we do go forward without a trade this season, I'll just be hoping that there's some sort of plan for next year to balance out the roster and get us back on track. Personally, I can't see a way forward that doesn't involve trading one of those guys (or Pascal in the summer), as it's not realistic to bring back the same team next year.

For sure. I don't understand how some posters don't have the confidence in our executive team to make the best decisions.

[tecumseh18]

The only Woj notes here are that he thinks Masai will hand over Kyle to a place he chooses, because he's a nice guy. Hardly a negotiation tactic or strong position.

Woj said that in a definitive way which suggested that he had information about it, likely from Masai.

But Woj and every other sports journalist (and many news journalists *cough* Judith Miller) are merely conduits for information or propaganda - e.g. "Ainge was in on x star player"-type rumours that make the leaker look good, albeit unlucky - that GMs want out there. I suppose the "Raps tried really hard to acquire a pick in 2013 to grab Giannis" stories fall into the same category. The Wizards clearly wanted it out there on the night of the championship that they wanted to bring in Masai. Woj is not in the business of holding onto information. If he gets it from someone who should know, that immediately ignites a Woj bomb. Masai isn't going to blame Woj for that, especially if it helps his bargaining position vis a vis MLSE.

I doubt that the KOC/Ringer story came from Masai, since it was propaganda designed to make DR sound like a reasonable return (and Herro sound like a bridge to far) for the GROAT. Of course it's laughable that Masai would trade anyone in the Raps' rotation for Robinson as the main piece coming back, especially as he's RFA. Let alone Lowry. So that's Riley BS, not Masai.

The Shams story was bad, but the issue is which team had an axe to grind against Nurse/the Raps? The Sixers? (we had just played them before Covid hit). Again Shams is just a conduit, and I doubt Masai would bother holding a grudge against such a luminary in the biz.

[pilkoids]

I'm fine with the Lowry/Powell deal taking until the final minutes of the deadline to happen. Drum up the interest around the league until someone gets desperate. With LeBron out for several weeks Masai and Bobby have got to know there's blood in the water.

[Raptors Realtor]

If their fans are any indication, they seem very open to dealing all their young guys for KL and Norm to be a favorite in the east

Dragic and Olynyks expiring plus a pick in the year 5030 isn't going to get you any decent player let alone Kyle freaking Lowry. Give me a break....

I'll eat my damn slippers if we get either Herro or Precious

We're going to need you to livestream that.

[DelAbbot]

Dragic and Olynyks expiring plus a pick in the year 5030 isn't going to get you any decent player let alone Kyle freaking Lowry. Give me a break....

I'll eat my damn slippers if we get either Herro or Precious

We're going to need you to livestream that.

We gonna need a picture of those slippers for a preview. Upload a pic.

[JB7]

The timing of this losing streak seems to be perfect in terms of giving the FO room to make a move, and limit blow back from any fans expectations of trying to make a playoff push. Also, allows Lowry to save a bit of face, claiming he wants to be moved to a contender, when really he just wants his bird rights with a team of his selection, so that he has more leverage with negotiations in the summer. If Heat trade assets for Lowry, there will be more pressure on them to re-sign him.

Would be hard for Lowry to argue moving to a contender, if the team is middle of the pack in the East.

[Zeno]

The only thing that makes me happy about these Kyle trade rumours is the potential for a last minute bidding war. With LeBron out for a bit, a few other contenders might be thinking their window is a bit more open for a Final run this year and will be desperate to out bid each other for a veteran with championship experience.

I agree. I expect there to be some very good offers in for Kyle and Norm and if they're still Raptors after the 25th, Masai and Bobby probably should be in the hot seat.

Hot seat for not trading Lowry and Powell? Lol. How can you come to that conclusion if you don't know the conversations taking place internally and with other organizations?

Perhaps the coldest seats in the league. Masai could have near any job he wants and Webster just signed an extension.

[LastNameEver]

if you can get Herro, you pull the trigger YESTERDAY. I don't know if his ceiling is what the hype projects but who are you getting from the clippers that's better? and who tf is Maxey. What is this obsession with this guy? Herro was a key rotation player on a finals team on his rookie contract. Take him and run.

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Some Heat fans think hes a Nick Young, JR type talent. So there’s a gamble