OT: Paul Pierce fired by ESPN

[Hero_Panda]

I have no problems with Paul Pierce living his life however he wants to live it. However, once you put your life out there for public consumption, expect judgement and repercussions.

Ok, what are the reprucussions for someone working at your reuglar 9-5 job if they did the same thing that Pierce did, including posting it on IG?

Judgement, yes because anything you post on social media to the public will be judged one way or another.

Firing would be too much. A slap on the wrist by HR as well as a request to take it down (or else be fired) would be enough.

[Danny1616]

Is what Pierce did any more outrageous than some of the other stuff that's played on TV? I'm failing to see how WAP (by Cardie) gets a pass yet this doesn't? Nonetheless, ESPN did us all a favour by canning Pierce, he was awful, Perkins should be next.

Pierce is free to apply for a new job and still be on TV. He can join a podcast, he can make his own podcast etc etc. I don't get your comparison. Nobody is banning Pierce from TV. He was an employee and he was fired.

I'm actually on the fence about this discussion, and not taking sides. Forget about the Cardi video (since its not really an apples to apples comparison), let's talk in general terms: Is what Pierce has done, any worse than whatever else is on TV? How many music videos do we have of guys throwing money at strippers, talking about popping pills, etc. I'm failing to understand what is and isn't acceptable these days because it seems like the goal post is different when it comes to athletes vs other celebrities.

I do understand that ESPN is owned by Disney, and perhaps that's where they draw the line, which I'm fine with. This is more about the society that we live in, that has different standards for different groups of people, and that is not okay

I do agree a lot with what you're saying. I guess each case must be assessed individually. A lot depends on what kind of job you have, the company you work for, how "offensive" your public post/video etc. was. Does that post require some minor discipline, a warning, is it a fireable offense? Issue now is social media and outrage culture amplifies everything which puts more pressure on these companies. But with social media, employees need to be smarter with what they choose to post publicly. If my employee is posting stuff like that publicly that tells me he or she lacks basic common sense and standard social intelligence - not qualities I would want from my colleagues.

There are double standards for sure. I mean we've been seeing those double standards with conservatives for years. They wanted to ban movies like Harry Potter for witchcraft or movies with sexuality because it offended their religion, but when it came to Trump they let him screwing pornstars and saying he grabs woman by the pussy like it was nothing.

[dTox]

Pierce is free to apply for a new job and still be on TV. He can join a podcast, he can make his own podcast etc etc. I don't get your comparison. Nobody is banning Pierce from TV. He was an employee and he was fired.

I'm actually on the fence about this discussion, and not taking sides. Forget about the Cardi video (since its not really an apples to apples comparison), let's talk in general terms: Is what Pierce has done, any worse than whatever else is on TV? How many music videos do we have of guys throwing money at strippers, talking about popping pills, etc. I'm failing to understand what is and isn't acceptable these days because it seems like the goal post is different when it comes to athletes vs other celebrities.

I do understand that ESPN is owned by Disney, and perhaps that's where they draw the line, which I'm fine with. This is more about the society that we live in, that has different standards for different groups of people, and that is not okay

I do agree a lot with what you're saying. I guess each case must be assessed individually. A lot depends on what kind of job you have, the company you work for, how "offensive" your public post/video etc. was.

There are double standards for sure. I mean we've been seeing those double standards with conservatives for years. They wanted to ban movies like Harry Potter for witchcraft or movies with sexuality because it offended their religion, but when it came to Trump they let him screwing pornstars and saying he grabs woman by the pussy like it was nothing.

It drives me bonkers that the population is falling for these traps created by the political and media groups, we live in a society that's trying their hardest to cancel one another, while overlooking a similar flaw by those who support their agenda. The older I get, the more I miss the George Carlin's of the world, who are not afraid to call bullsh*t, regardless of what group or agenda you belong to.

[Danny1616]

I'm actually on the fence about this discussion, and not taking sides. Forget about the Cardi video (since its not really an apples to apples comparison), let's talk in general terms: Is what Pierce has done, any worse than whatever else is on TV? How many music videos do we have of guys throwing money at strippers, talking about popping pills, etc. I'm failing to understand what is and isn't acceptable these days because it seems like the goal post is different when it comes to athletes vs other celebrities.

I do understand that ESPN is owned by Disney, and perhaps that's where they draw the line, which I'm fine with. This is more about the society that we live in, that has different standards for different groups of people, and that is not okay

I do agree a lot with what you're saying. I guess each case must be assessed individually. A lot depends on what kind of job you have, the company you work for, how "offensive" your public post/video etc. was.

There are double standards for sure. I mean we've been seeing those double standards with conservatives for years. They wanted to ban movies like Harry Potter for witchcraft or movies with sexuality because it offended their religion, but when it came to Trump they let him screwing pornstars and saying he grabs woman by the pussy like it was nothing.

It drives me bonkers that the population is falling for these traps created by the political and media groups, we live in a society that's trying their hardest to cancel one another, while overlooking a similar flaw by those who support their agenda. The older I get, the more I miss the George Carlin's of the world, who are not afraid to call bullsh*t, regardless of what group or agenda you belong to.

I somewhat agree with you, but I think a lot have short-term memory. Don't forget it was just a couple decades ago that MMA fighting was banned, overt sexuality in shows/movies wasn't allowed, you weren't allowed to even discuss certain topics on TV. Today, with the internet, YouTube, there is is infinitely more exposure to proactive, against the grain, extreme views/comedy/rants etc. Back in the 1980s/1990s you only had cable television with select channels that was monopolized by a few corporations. There are a ton of podcasts/YouTube channels etc. that are not afraid to call bullsh*t and talk about stuff that is not discussed on mainstream TV. The issue of course is that there is a ton of conspiracies and disinformation circulating the web as well.

I mean just in the 1990s, if you were a politician and you swore on live TV your career could be over. Today, you can literally say that you like to grab women by the pu$$y and you can survive.

So I actually disagree a bit. Things get inflamed and spread more easily now, public reaction to stuff is infinitely more widespread. However, on the flip side society is a lot more progressive about many topics and we are getting exposed to a ton of stories daily. In a few weeks nobody will care about this Paul Pierce incident.

[kalel123]

I have no problems with Paul Pierce living his life however he wants to live it. However, once you put your life out there for public consumption, expect judgement and repercussions.

Ok, what are the reprucussions for someone working at your reuglar 9-5 job if they did the same thing that Pierce did, including posting it on IG?

Judgement, yes because anything you post on social media to the public will be judged one way or another.

Firing would be too much. A slap on the wrist by HR as well as a request to take it down (or else be fired) would be enough.

I'm guessing a lot of work places these days have social network policies in place so firing wouldn't be out of the question. No doubt a place like ESPN has extensive policies around this.

Besides, Paul Pierce isn't doing your regular 9-5 job. He put himself out there doing a TV analyst job and I believe they are and should be held to a different standard. If he didn't already, he should've known that going in.

I'm not really sure why this topic is getting 8 pages of discussion. No question really what took place and the repercussions surrounding it.

[Young_Buc]

I do agree a lot with what you're saying. I guess each case must be assessed individually. A lot depends on what kind of job you have, the company you work for, how "offensive" your public post/video etc. was.

There are double standards for sure. I mean we've been seeing those double standards with conservatives for years. They wanted to ban movies like Harry Potter for witchcraft or movies with sexuality because it offended their religion, but when it came to Trump they let him screwing pornstars and saying he grabs woman by the pussy like it was nothing.

It drives me bonkers that the population is falling for these traps created by the political and media groups, we live in a society that's trying their hardest to cancel one another, while overlooking a similar flaw by those who support their agenda. The older I get, the more I miss the George Carlin's of the world, who are not afraid to call bullsh*t, regardless of what group or agenda you belong to.

I agree with you, but I think a lot have short-term memory. Don't forget it was just a couple decades ago that MMA fighting was banned, overt sexuality in shows/movies wasn't allowed, you weren't allowed to even discuss certain topics on TV. Today, with the internet, YouTube, there is is infinitely more exposure to proactive, against the grain, extreme views/comedy/rants etc. Back in the 1980s/1990s you only had cable television with select channels that was monopolized by a few corporations. There are a ton of podcasts/YouTube channels etc. that are not afraid to call bullsh*t and talk about stuff that is not discussed on mainstream TV. The issue of course is that there is a ton of conspiracies and disinformation circulating the web as well.

I mean just in the 1990s, if you were a politician and you swore on live TV your career could be over. Today, you can literally say that you like to grab women by the pu$$y and you can survive.

It's a slippery slope. You're very right that things are much more in the open and people are more liberal than ever, but it's becoming inconsistent to the point it's arbitrary. I honestly believe "cancel culture" is a byproduct of people's blood lust! Hahahaha. They want to see others suffer or be punished. It's a weird time to be alive.

The only mystery I see is the evasive Dave Chappelle. They TRIED to cancel him, but he's just too good.

[Reeko]

It drives me bonkers that the population is falling for these traps created by the political and media groups, we live in a society that's trying their hardest to cancel one another, while overlooking a similar flaw by those who support their agenda. The older I get, the more I miss the George Carlin's of the world, who are not afraid to call bullsh*t, regardless of what group or agenda you belong to.

I agree with you, but I think a lot have short-term memory. Don't forget it was just a couple decades ago that MMA fighting was banned, overt sexuality in shows/movies wasn't allowed, you weren't allowed to even discuss certain topics on TV. Today, with the internet, YouTube, there is is infinitely more exposure to proactive, against the grain, extreme views/comedy/rants etc. Back in the 1980s/1990s you only had cable television with select channels that was monopolized by a few corporations. There are a ton of podcasts/YouTube channels etc. that are not afraid to call bullsh*t and talk about stuff that is not discussed on mainstream TV. The issue of course is that there is a ton of conspiracies and disinformation circulating the web as well.

I mean just in the 1990s, if you were a politician and you swore on live TV your career could be over. Today, you can literally say that you like to grab women by the pu$$y and you can survive.

It's a slippery slope. You're very right that things are much more in the open and people are more liberal than ever, but it's becoming inconsistent to the point it's arbitrary. I honestly believe "cancel culture" is a byproduct of people's blood lust! Hahahaha. They want to see others suffer or be punished. It's a weird time to be alive.

The only mystery I see is the evasive Dave Chappelle. They TRIED to cancel him, but he's just too good.

Today's Dave Chappelle is a seriously watered down version, compared to the early 2000's.

[Salted Meat]

Paul Pierce: (to the Strippers) Hey, uh, I'm gonna need some of those dollar bills back...

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[Fairview4Life]

It drives me bonkers that the population is falling for these traps created by the political and media groups, we live in a society that's trying their hardest to cancel one another, while overlooking a similar flaw by those who support their agenda. The older I get, the more I miss the George Carlin's of the world, who are not afraid to call bullsh*t, regardless of what group or agenda you belong to.

Which political and media groups tried to have Pierce canceled? Who actually pushed for his firing?

[Caped Crusader]

Paul Pierce was fired because of cANCel cULTurE.

Get a grip guys. As many have already said, if this was 2007 and he worked for ESPN while a video like that went viral, he'd be fired. Pretty sure this goes against their code of conduct.

This applies to 99 percent of working people. Sure there may be other cases of cancel culture, but this certainly isn't one.

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[beanbag]

Is what Pierce did any more outrageous than some of the other stuff that's played on TV? I'm failing to see how WAP (by Cardie) gets a pass yet this doesn't? Nonetheless, ESPN did us all a favour by canning Pierce, he was awful, Perkins should be next.

Cardi B should be fired by her employer......

[beanbag]

Is what Pierce did any more outrageous than some of the other stuff that's played on TV? I'm failing to see how WAP (by Cardie) gets a pass yet this doesn't? Nonetheless, ESPN did us all a favour by canning Pierce, he was awful, Perkins should be next.

WAP gets a pass cause thats her job and thats whats shes known for.

This I am failing to understand, she's a musician, her job is to create music and entertain, selling sex is not her job, otherwise she'd be a sex worker. All I'm saying is, at the end of the day, they are both on TV, there should be a standard on what is and isn't permissible for all individuals on TV, regardless of what forms of entertainment they offer.

I hereby fire Cardi B from TV.

[mdenny]

Lesson here is play the game, live inauthentically, and don't stray from your company/master's code of ethics...

Is that really your takeaway from this?

Paul Pierce decided to get high.
Paul Pierce decided to get drunk.
Paul Pierce decided to hire rippers.
Paul Pierce decided to post it on social media.

The lesson is actions have consequences.

You can live as "authentically" as you want but don't put it out there for public consumption if you aren't willing to accept the consequences.

Yep. Your public actions have consequences. The Company was fully in their rights to let him go if that did not fit with the image they want to portray. You don't need to do something illegal to do something embarrassing. And if you are not elite at your job or not that hard to replace, the more likely you will be let go in these situations. And Paul Pierce is nowhere near elite or irreplaceable for ESPN. Easy choice to let him go.

I guess the next issue is whether this will be considered as a termination with cause or without, and what benefits Paul Pierce will get, or not get, on his dismissal. But even if there is no "cause" from a legal standpoint, you shouldn't be surprised to get called out by your company if you act like a complete jackass in public. They will just need to pay a bit more to move on from you.

I hear what you are saying....the problem is that ppl only support this type of climate when it happens to align with their personal morality.

Suppose we lived in an ultra-religious society and ppl who were atheists had to hide their beliefs. "Well the company is allowed to control their public image" can justify some pretty dystopic scenarios.

This is what Mccarthyism was all about. We shouldn't support the principles fueling the climate just because our particular beliefs happen to be aligned.

Fact is....freedom of speech is more than just a legal right. It's also a cultural value. And ppl SHOULD be reasonably allowed to hold controversial opinions/lifestyles without having their livelihood threatened. This idea that "freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences" ignores the underlying cultural value that has worked so well for our society. We are better off being tolerant of differing viewpoints.

[Jordans_Rose]

Guys in the comment section "what did he do wrong" umm...1) were in a pandemic, 2) there are restrictions, 3) here's the most important thing...he has a wife and kids. But I guess guys don't care nowadays. No wonder girls are cheating more, girls in their mind are thinking, if guys aren't going to commit or cheat, i'll do the same. Quite often, by the time a girl is 30, she's damaged by past douche bags who used her. Anyways, good on ESPN for firing him. His wife is probably with him only for the money, that's why most women married to athletes let this slide and then divorce the guy for a big pay day.

[Cael]

Bruh works for Disney one of the safest played brands on the planet. His ass was grass as soon as he clicked post. Mans on ig live with strippers throwing up his set on easter.

They don't play with anyone under their umbrella like that. No one is bigger than the brand.

Don't understand what some of you have been going on about. Him not getting fired would be crazy.

[will]

Doubt Paul Pierce really needs that ESPN gig.

Right?

He ain't pulling an Antoine Walker...?

[ATLTimekeeper]

People are so giddy to rant about cancel culture that they'll stoop to protecting Paul Pierce

[Pointgod]

I have no problems with Paul Pierce living his life however he wants to live it. However, once you put your life out there for public consumption, expect judgement and repercussions.

Ok, what are the reprucussions for someone working at your reuglar 9-5 job if they did the same thing that Pierce did, including posting it on IG?

Judgement, yes because anything you post on social media to the public will be judged one way or another.

Firing would be too much. A slap on the wrist by HR as well as a request to take it down (or else be fired) would be enough.

I'm guessing a lot of work places these days have social network policies in place so firing wouldn't be out of the question. No doubt a place like ESPN has extensive policies around this.

Besides, Paul Pierce isn't doing your regular 9-5 job. He put himself out there doing a TV analyst job and I believe they are and should be held to a different standard. If he didn't already, he should've known that going in.

I'm not really sure why this topic is getting 8 pages of discussion. No question really what took place and the repercussions surrounding it.

What Paul Pierce did is the equivalent of someone with regular 9-5 job going on IG Live in a pandemic with strippers and saying “ I’m Joe 9-5, I work for so and so company, here’s the address and office location.”

Read the fine print on your contracts. Every company has a social media policy. Only way you can get away with it is if you own your own business or you work for a strip club

[agkagk]

Lesson here is play the game, live inauthentically, and don't stray from your company/master's code of ethics...

Is that really your takeaway from this?

Paul Pierce decided to get high.
Paul Pierce decided to get drunk.
Paul Pierce decided to hire rippers.
Paul Pierce decided to post it on social media.

The lesson is actions have consequences.

You can live as "authentically" as you want but don't put it out there for public consumption if you aren't willing to accept the consequences.

What if he hired cardi b instead of the rippers would it be ok then ?