Shams: Brad to replace Ainge

[Pointgod]

Brad Stevens with the huge promotion...who goes from head coach straight up to head of basketball operations? Who did Brad have to sleep with to make this happen?

Isn’t that what Pat Riley did, or am I remembering wrong?

Stevens is 44. Riley coached till he was much older before promoting Spoelstra to replace him, and moving to the front office.

Pat Riley had two decades of coaching experience with multiple teams before heading into the head office. It’s quite a bit different from the Brad Stevens situation.

[WaltFrazier]

Ainge gets a lot of flack, but he did trade for a star in Kyrie, it just didn't work out.

And then replaced him with Kemba, only that didn't work out due to Kemba being injury-prone. So Ainge was usually active and trying.

[Raps in 4]

He got pushed out because his team collapsed for the 2nd time in 3 seasons. It didn't take him two years to decide that pursuing a title wasn't worth it anymore. The guy has always been one of the most consistent liars in the NBA, and his constant b.s. caught up to him with this recent round of failure, sending his reputation into the toilet.

If Boston failed this year, so did we. COVID hit them hard this year like it did us. Losing to the runaway title favourites in the first round, while missing your second best player due to an injury, isn't really a collapse.

You can't compare our season with Boston. We were building a contender at the same time as Boston.

We built a contender, albeit a short lived one. Boston failed to do so, has really been in decline since 2019.

Ainge is leaving because they missed their window to contend, and needed someone new to get them their.

Their core players are 23 and 25 years old. The 23 year-old is well on his way to becoming one of the best players in the league. How on earth did they miss their window to contend?

Unless we can find a superstar in the draft this year, Boston will still be closer to contention than we are, and have more time to get there as their core is younger than ours.

[KL78192020]

Ainge gets a lot of flack, but he did trade for a star in Kyrie, it just didn't work out.

And then replaced him with Kemba, only that didn't work out due to Kemba being injury-prone. So Ainge was usually active and trying.

Yup, not to many stars moved around during his era. Jimmy Butler didn't really work out in Minny or Philly. George was decent in OKC but got traded again. AD clearly only wanted to go to LA, maybe he could've traded for another piece but relatively compared Ainge actually made moves. Not many teams have traded for star players.

I think his biggest miss is probably not be able to capitalize on later draft picks, compared to Masai Probably need to improve the scouting department.

[Anticon]

If Boston failed this year, so did we. COVID hit them hard this year like it did us. Losing to the runaway title favourites in the first round, while missing your second best player due to an injury, isn't really a collapse.

You can't compare our season with Boston. We were building a contender at the same time as Boston.

We built a contender, albeit a short lived one. Boston failed to do so, has really been in decline since 2019.

Ainge is leaving because they missed their window to contend, and needed someone new to get them their.

Their core players are 23 and 25 years old. The 23 year-old is well on his way to becoming one of the best players in the league. How on earth did they miss their window to contend?

Unless we can find a superstar in the draft this year, Boston will still be closer to contention than we are, and have more time to get there as their core is younger than ours.

We won't a title, they didn't. That's the difference. Their window with the veterans and assets they accumulated from 2012-2019 has closed.

Ours has too, but we managed to steal one. They could have done the same, but opted to stick with their youth.

They can still obviously try to build a contender around them but that's a longer proposition and will take time, especially as their roster design isn't great right now.

[Raps in 4]

You can't compare our season with Boston. We were building a contender at the same time as Boston.

We built a contender, albeit a short lived one. Boston failed to do so, has really been in decline since 2019.

Ainge is leaving because they missed their window to contend, and needed someone new to get them their.

Their core players are 23 and 25 years old. The 23 year-old is well on his way to becoming one of the best players in the league. How on earth did they miss their window to contend?

Unless we can find a superstar in the draft this year, Boston will still be closer to contention than we are, and have more time to get there as their core is younger than ours.

We won't a title, they didn't. That's the difference. Their window with the veterans and assets they accumulated from 2012-2019 has closed.

Ours has too, but we managed to steal one. They could have done the same, but opted to stick with their youth.

They can still obviously try to build a contender around them but that's a longer proposition and will take time, especially as their roster design isn't great right now.

What veterans? Their core was always young. We needed to act fast because Lowry was 32, Derozan 29. They have plenty of time left before they need to do anything with their core.

Could they have tried to go all in while they had Horford? Sure, I guess. But Horford was past his prime while their youth wasn't in their primes yet. It wasn't an ideal situation.

Their best time to go all-in was this year when they could have traded for Harden. I think it would have been the right move and I think Harden would have re-signed in Boston when his contract expired. But again, not doing this trade didn't sink Boston. Their core is still ridiculously young.

[Anticon]

Their core players are 23 and 25 years old. The 23 year-old is well on his way to becoming one of the best players in the league. How on earth did they miss their window to contend?

Unless we can find a superstar in the draft this year, Boston will still be closer to contention than we are, and have more time to get there as their core is younger than ours.

We won't a title, they didn't. That's the difference. Their window with the veterans and assets they accumulated from 2012-2019 has closed.

Ours has too, but we managed to steal one. They could have done the same, but opted to stick with their youth.

They can still obviously try to build a contender around them but that's a longer proposition and will take time, especially as their roster design isn't great right now.

What veterans? Their core was always young. We needed to act fast because Lowry was 32, Derozan 29. They have plenty of time left before they need to do anything with their core.

Could they have tried to go all in while they had Horford? Sure, I guess. But Horford was past his prime while their youth wasn't in their primes yet. It wasn't an ideal situation.

Horford, Kyrie, Hayward? Plus the assets they had to flip for an MVP caliber player. They could have made the finals in 2019 had they made the same trade we did.

Right now they have two young all stars but their roster is otherwise far from scary. So they can keep building and take their time but their players won't have patience forever.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Ainge gets a lot of flack, but he did trade for a star in Kyrie, it just didn't work out.

And then replaced him with Kemba, only that didn't work out due to Kemba being injury-prone. So Ainge was usually active and trying.

Yup, not to many stars moved around during his era. Jimmy Butler didn't really work out in Minny or Philly. George was decent in OKC but got traded again. AD clearly only wanted to go to LA, maybe he could've traded for another piece but relatively compared Ainge actually made moves. Not many teams have traded for star players.

There's narrative that's pretty important in all of this:

1) Ainge knew IT was damaged goods and didn't want to pay him, even though IT had played through his hip injury and didn't seem to understand (or as he claims, didn't know the risk) of long-term injury.
2) Boston knew that Kyrie's knee was in need of clean-up surgery. It should have come at the beginning of the year, but they rolled the dice and played him until the point of risking infection.
3) The Boston media decided to throw the next season all on Kyrie, even though the important players in the room all denied this was the reason for the failure. And Ainge tends to be able to get the Boston media to eat out of his hand. This lead to fan resentment down the road.
4) AD's dad mentioned he didn't want to end up in Boston, because of the way they treated IT.
5) Kemba also had years of knee troubles and likely was signed with the knowledge there wasn't much time left. They basically got one season and know he's getting plasma or whatever. That's suspicious.

He just flipped injured player for injured player and ended up pissing off two really popular players in the league. So yeah, AD was always going to LAL, because Rich Paul convinced him to prop up LeBron, but Ainge's reputation took a big L there. IT is still bitter, and the fans booed Kyrie right up until he stomped on the logo.

[ruckus]

And then replaced him with Kemba, only that didn't work out due to Kemba being injury-prone. So Ainge was usually active and trying.

Yup, not to many stars moved around during his era. Jimmy Butler didn't really work out in Minny or Philly. George was decent in OKC but got traded again. AD clearly only wanted to go to LA, maybe he could've traded for another piece but relatively compared Ainge actually made moves. Not many teams have traded for star players.

There's narrative that's pretty important in all of this:

1) Ainge knew IT was damaged goods and didn't want to pay him, even though IT had played through his hip injury and didn't seem to understand (or as he claims, didn't know the risk) of long-term injury.
2) Boston knew that Kyrie's knee was in need of clean-up surgery. It should have come at the beginning of the year, but they rolled the dice and played him until the point of risking infection.
3) The Boston media decided to throw the next season all on Kyrie, even though the important players in the room all denied this was the reason for the failure. And Ainge tends to be able to get the Boston media to eat out of his hand. This lead to fan resentment down the road.
4) AD's dad mentioned he didn't want to end up in Boston, because of the way they treated IT.
5) Kemba also had years of knee troubles and likely was signed with the knowledge there wasn't much time left. They basically got one season and know he's getting plasma or whatever. That's suspicious.

He just flipped injured player for injured player and ended up pissing off two really popular players in the league. So yeah, AD was always going to LAL, because Rich Paul convinced him to prop up LeBron, but Ainge's reputation took a big L there. IT is still bitter, and the fans booed Kyrie right up until he stomped on the logo.

Kemba was pretty healthy in Charlotte, no? Were his knee issues really out in the open or did the Celts just get unlucky on this one?

Edit: also love to see the Celts in shambles - Ainge gone, no coach, Kemba on the block while in Raptorland, there's a zen-like calmness in our offseason. (knock on wood)

[13th Man]

This is the definition of failing up lol. I could use another term but don’t want to derail the thread.

Just say it. We know you're dying to play the race card as you always do.

[Pointgod]

This is the definition of failing up lol. I could use another term but don’t want to derail the thread.

Just say it. We know you're dying to play the race card as you always do.

Awww I hurt your fragile feelings snowflake?

Personal attack. Warned.

[douggood]

Yup, not to many stars moved around during his era. Jimmy Butler didn't really work out in Minny or Philly. George was decent in OKC but got traded again. AD clearly only wanted to go to LA, maybe he could've traded for another piece but relatively compared Ainge actually made moves. Not many teams have traded for star players.

There's narrative that's pretty important in all of this:

1) Ainge knew IT was damaged goods and didn't want to pay him, even though IT had played through his hip injury and didn't seem to understand (or as he claims, didn't know the risk) of long-term injury.
2) Boston knew that Kyrie's knee was in need of clean-up surgery. It should have come at the beginning of the year, but they rolled the dice and played him until the point of risking infection.
3) The Boston media decided to throw the next season all on Kyrie, even though the important players in the room all denied this was the reason for the failure. And Ainge tends to be able to get the Boston media to eat out of his hand. This lead to fan resentment down the road.
4) AD's dad mentioned he didn't want to end up in Boston, because of the way they treated IT.
5) Kemba also had years of knee troubles and likely was signed with the knowledge there wasn't much time left. They basically got one season and know he's getting plasma or whatever. That's suspicious.

He just flipped injured player for injured player and ended up pissing off two really popular players in the league. So yeah, AD was always going to LAL, because Rich Paul convinced him to prop up LeBron, but Ainge's reputation took a big L there. IT is still bitter, and the fans booed Kyrie right up until he stomped on the logo.

Kemba was pretty healthy in Charlotte, no? Were his knee issues really out in the open or did the Celts just get unlucky on this one?

Edit: also love to see the Celts in shambles - Ainge gone, no coach, Kemba on the block while in Raptorland, there's a zen-like calmness in our offseason. (knock on wood)

Kemba knee situation was known, not only did they lose on that contract, they lose double considering they gave up rozier to sign kemba.

[13th Man]

This is the definition of failing up lol. I could use another term but don’t want to derail the thread.

Just say it. We know you're dying to play the race card as you always do.

Awww I hurt your fragile feelings snowflake?

Just calling you out for the hypocrite that you are. You can try to attack and label me on another thread but can't take your own medicine huh? Lol.

[Pointgod]

Just say it. We know you're dying to play the race card as you always do.

Awww I hurt your fragile feelings snowflake?

Just calling you out for the hypocrite that you are. You can try to attack and label me on another thread but can't take your own medicine huh? Lol.

Pretty sure you don’t know the meaning of hypocrisy or else you wouldn’t have made this dumbass post.

[13th Man]

Awww I hurt your fragile feelings snowflake?

Just calling you out for the hypocrite that you are. You can try to attack and label me on another thread but can't take your own medicine huh? Lol.

Pretty sure you don’t know the meaning of hypocrisy or else you wouldn’t have made this dumbass post.

Nitpicking on semantics because you can't refute the main point. A bit of hypocrisy and irony I would say...stating that I'm the hurt one while you labelled me and resort to childish name calling.

Get off your self-righteous soapbox, you aren't as smart as you think that you are. More arrogant and hypocritical I would say.

[Pointgod]

Just calling you out for the hypocrite that you are. You can try to attack and label me on another thread but can't take your own medicine huh? Lol.

Pretty sure you don’t know the meaning of hypocrisy or else you wouldn’t have made this dumbass post.

Nitpicking on semantics because you can't refute the main point. A bit of hypocrisy and irony I would say...stating that I'm the hurt one while you labelled me and resort to childish name calling.

Get off your self-righteous soapbox, you aren't as smart as you think that you are. More arrogant and hypocritical I would say.

Lol this isn’t an example of semantics. You’re incorrectly defining something you’re accusing me of. I’m pretty **** smart and I’m not going to apologize for that. Remember you’re the one who responded to my post saying I’m dying to play the race card, a term only simpletons use. I just responded in kind

[13th Man]

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[13th Man]

Pretty sure you don’t know the meaning of hypocrisy or else you wouldn’t have made this dumbass post.

Nitpicking on semantics because you can't refute the main point. A bit of hypocrisy and irony I would say...stating that I'm the hurt one while you labelled me and resort to childish name calling.

Get off your self-righteous soapbox, you aren't as smart as you think that you are. More arrogant and hypocritical I would say.

Lol this isn’t an example of semantics. You’re incorrectly defining something you’re accusing me of. I’m pretty **** smart and I’m not going to apologize for that. Remember you’re the one who responded to my post saying I’m dying to play the race card, a term only simpletons use. I just responded in kind

Like I said, you're more of an arrogant d-bag than you are smart. Continue using the same line in every thread, "I don't want to derail this thread but...." while throwing in snarky remarks and jabs. Man up and just speak your mind, it's ok.

Personal attack. Warned.

[fbalmeida]

I think this is a fantastic move for the Celtics. Stevens has always seemed to me as an unemotional analytics office rat who just happened to hold a coaching position. Running the team plays to his strengths and hides his weaknesses - managing the emotional and intangible human side of the locker room.

His first challenge is to figure out what to do about Kemba.

[Airball Salmons]

Celtics are such a great treadmill team