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Re: Waive Watch: Gillespie and Perry waived 

Post#141 » by ash_k » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:36 pm

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PD28 wrote:Lol once again, 15th man that they hope will turn into something but most probably won't. Feel free to revisit this once they resign him to a real contract.

Like I said. You have already made my point. Thank you for that.
You can wish for a 20-year old to fail if you want:
But It makes no sense to give up on a player that was drafted 15th (due to potential) at 18 years old, after just two seasons. Teams have no patience.

An alleged shooter that can't defend at 27(that would just amass DNP-CDs) vs a 21 year old SF with PG skills that can defend that started 50+ games already:
With our development system (see FVV, OG, Pascal and Norm). I know who we should be keeping.
Bonga does not have PG skills... Lol.
I'm sure you could defend signing Bruno over Dekker as well...as long as Bruno had no alleged connections to Trump.

Either way, you've made up your mind - and I doubt it'd change if Dekker dropped 50 points in that last game. I've made up mine as well, and it's going with whatever Nurse and the front office pick. Much like what they did in the draft.

Like your boi Montbaker, you can keep wasting time with Trump connections to deflect that Dekker is 15th man at best at 27 years old.

Next time before posting though, you might want to learn more about Bonga's skills ( you can actually do some research on that particular topic compared to others).
His scouting report has had PG skills for years! Alvin Williams(you know who he is right?) sat in the camp, watched Bonga play and literally said on the Canadian Broadcast : "BONGA HAS PG SKILLS" :lol: :lol:
I prefer player that fits our philosophy and with much better potential.
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Re: Waive Watch: Gillespie and Perry waived 

Post#142 » by PD28 » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:40 pm

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ash_k wrote:Like I said. You have already made my point. Thank you for that.
You can wish for a 20-year old to fail if you want:
But It makes no sense to give up on a player that was drafted 15th (due to potential) at 18 years old, after just two seasons. Teams have no patience.

An alleged shooter that can't defend at 27(that would just amass DNP-CDs) vs a 21 year old SF with PG skills that can defend that started 50+ games already:
With our development system (see FVV, OG, Pascal and Norm). I know who we should be keeping.
Bonga does not have PG skills... Lol.
I'm sure you could defend signing Bruno over Dekker as well...as long as Bruno had no alleged connections to Trump.

Either way, you've made up your mind - and I doubt it'd change if Dekker dropped 50 points in that last game. I've made up mine as well, and it's going with whatever Nurse and the front office pick. Much like what they did in the draft.

Like your boi Montbaker, you can keep wasting time with Trump connections to deflect that Dekker is 15th man at best at 27 years old.

Next time before posting though, you might want to learn more about Bonga's skills ( you can actually do some research on that particular topic compared to others).
His scouting report has had PG skills for years! Alvin Williams(you know who he is right?) sat in the camp, watched Bonga play and literally said on the Canadian Broadcast : "BONGA HAS PG SKILLS" :lol: :lol:
I prefer player that fits our philosophy and with much better potential.


Wait Alvin said a possible 15th man on our team has PG skills?! Damn you right - we should run him at point. I love formulating my basketball opinions from broadcasters as well instead of what I see on the court or what the stats show me. Leo was good at educating the fans too.
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Re: Waive Watch: Gillespie and Perry waived 

Post#143 » by ash_k » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:45 pm

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PD28 wrote:Bonga does not have PG skills... Lol.
I'm sure you could defend signing Bruno over Dekker as well...as long as Bruno had no alleged connections to Trump.

Either way, you've made up your mind - and I doubt it'd change if Dekker dropped 50 points in that last game. I've made up mine as well, and it's going with whatever Nurse and the front office pick. Much like what they did in the draft.

Like your boi Montbaker, you can keep wasting time with Trump connections to deflect that Dekker is 15th man at best at 27 years old.

Next time before posting though, you might want to learn more about Bonga's skills ( you can actually do some research on that particular topic compared to others).
His scouting report has had PG skills for years! Alvin Williams(you know who he is right?) sat in the camp, watched Bonga play and literally said on the Canadian Broadcast : "BONGA HAS PG SKILLS" :lol: :lol:
I prefer player that fits our philosophy and with much better potential.


Wait Alvin said a possible 15th man on our team has PG skills?! Damn you right - we should run him at point. I love formulating my basketball opinions from broadcasters as well instead of what I see on the court or what the stats show me. Leo was good at educating the fans too.

I know it is tough one to take that Alvin line :lol: in total opposition of yours.
He was actually watching the players for us, sitting in Camp for us, to share his experience for people like you and I. It is okay. Just read the scouting report next time and relax.
Meanwhile you can deflect with the .." run him at point" if you want :lol:
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Re: Waive Watch: Gillespie and Perry waived 

Post#144 » by PD28 » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:47 pm

ash_k wrote:
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ash_k wrote:Like your boi Montbaker, you can keep wasting time with Trump connections to deflect that Dekker is 15th man at best at 27 years old.

Next time before posting though, you might want to learn more about Bonga's skills ( you can actually do some research on that particular topic compared to others).
His scouting report has had PG skills for years! Alvin Williams(you know who he is right?) sat in the camp, watched Bonga play and literally said on the Canadian Broadcast : "BONGA HAS PG SKILLS" :lol: :lol:
I prefer player that fits our philosophy and with much better potential.


Wait Alvin said a possible 15th man on our team has PG skills?! Damn you right - we should run him at point. I love formulating my basketball opinions from broadcasters as well instead of what I see on the court or what the stats show me. Leo was good at educating the fans too.

I know it is tough one to take that Alvin line :lol: in total opposition of yours.
He was actually watching the players for us, sitting in Camp for us, to share his experience for people like you and I. It is okay. Just read the scouting report next time and relax.
Meanwhile you can deflect with the .." run him at point" if you want :lol:


Haha a person who is hired by the Raptors wouldn't exaggerate anything about a young prospect :lol: :lol: :lol:
Hilariously naive but I love it :)
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Re: Waive Watch: Gillespie and Perry waived 

Post#145 » by ash_k » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:48 pm

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ash_k wrote:
PD28 wrote:
Wait Alvin said a possible 15th man on our team has PG skills?! Damn you right - we should run him at point. I love formulating my basketball opinions from broadcasters as well instead of what I see on the court or what the stats show me. Leo was good at educating the fans too.

I know it is tough one to take that Alvin line :lol: in total opposition of yours.
He was actually watching the players for us, sitting in Camp for us, to share his experience for people like you and I. It is okay. Just read the scouting report next time and relax.
Meanwhile you can deflect with the .." run him at point" if you want :lol:


Haha a person who is hired by the Raptors wouldn't exaggerate anything about a young prospect :lol: :lol: :lol:
Hilariously naive but I love it :)

Just read the scouting report and relax.
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Re: Waive Watch: Gillespie and Perry waived 

Post#146 » by PD28 » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:50 pm

ash_k wrote:
PD28 wrote:
ash_k wrote:I know it is tough one to take that Alvin line :lol: in total opposition of yours.
He was actually watching the players for us, sitting in Camp for us, to share his experience for people like you and I. It is okay. Just read the scouting report next time and relax.
Meanwhile you can deflect with the .." run him at point" if you want :lol:


Haha a person who is hired by the Raptors wouldn't exaggerate anything about a young prospect :lol: :lol: :lol:
Hilariously naive but I love it :)

Just read the scouting report and relax.


Or just watch the games
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Re: Waive Watch: Gillespie and Perry waived 

Post#147 » by Bankai » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:47 pm

I started to like Dekker, especially after what he showed last game. I really hope Dekker grabs that last spot. But I wont lose sleep if he doesent.
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Post#148 » by Bull-E » Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:07 pm

I sense neither Dekker or Bonga may make the team. There are a few good roster battles around the league which the Raps may want to vulture:

- Spurs have one too many guaranteed contracts and may want to move Thad Young and Al-Farouq Aminu in a 2 for 1 type deal
- Mavericks either have to cut Moses Brown or eat two years of Trey Burke's contract
- Clippers will cut one of Harry Giles or Isaiah Hartenstein
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Re: Waive Watch: Gillespie and Perry waived 

Post#149 » by Axe Dragon » Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:13 pm

PD28 wrote:
ash_k wrote:
PD28 wrote:Bonga does not have PG skills... Lol.
I'm sure you could defend signing Bruno over Dekker as well...as long as Bruno had no alleged connections to Trump.

Either way, you've made up your mind - and I doubt it'd change if Dekker dropped 50 points in that last game. I've made up mine as well, and it's going with whatever Nurse and the front office pick. Much like what they did in the draft.

Like your boi Montbaker, you can keep wasting time with Trump connections to deflect that Dekker is 15th man at best at 27 years old.

Next time before posting though, you might want to learn more about Bonga's skills ( you can actually do some research on that particular topic compared to others).
His scouting report has had PG skills for years! Alvin Williams(you know who he is right?) sat in the camp, watched Bonga play and literally said on the Canadian Broadcast : "BONGA HAS PG SKILLS" :lol: :lol:
I prefer player that fits our philosophy and with much better potential.


Wait Alvin said a possible 15th man on our team has PG skills?! Damn you right - we should run him at point. I love formulating my basketball opinions from broadcasters as well instead of what I see on the court or what the stats show me. Leo was good at educating the fans too.

Personally I believe that Alvin, one of the most important point guards in our franchise history, is a reasonable judge of who has point guard skills.

Much more so than fans that watch games on television.

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Post#150 » by mtcan » Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:17 pm

I'm ready to put this "Sam Dekker is a Trump supporter" talk behind me...especially if the guy makes the team.

He did post this in response to what JR said...

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Post#151 » by ash_k » Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:11 pm

mtcan wrote:I'm ready to put this "Sam Dekker is a Trump supporter" talk behind me...especially if the guy makes the team.

He did post this in response to what JR said...

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Sam played in the league for 4 years and he is now 27;
With a better track record of success and had he come out during the preseason like SVI(24 years old with ball handling, shooting, defense)? who in their right mind would have said "he looks very impressive, but he has to go!". We clearly have a philosophy based on defense first and length. Sam does not fit it at all (over a Bonga).
If Dekker somehow makes the team over Bonga and Ish which will be very surprising, only tankers would want him to fail at that point: Sorry to them, we will be headed to the playoffs either way.
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Post#152 » by ash_k » Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:26 pm

BTW I told you in 2015, Dekker was not going to make it! :lol: before he was drafted 18th overall.

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ash_k wrote:Same with Dekker (aka Adam Morrison )
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Post#153 » by Kris_Banks » Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:38 pm

If I'm the Raptors I'd waive David Johnson and give Isaac Bonga his two-way contract and then sign Dekker to the final roster spot.
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Post#154 » by PD28 » Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:44 pm

Kris_Banks wrote:If I'm the Raptors I'd waive David Johnson and give Isaac Bonga his two-way contract and then sign Dekker to the final roster spot.

Agreed, Bonga has shown more than David - honestly don't see why they took David. He just seems lost every time he's played in summer league and not much better in preseason.
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Post#155 » by lobosloboslobos » Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:10 pm

Dekker's presser was pretty impressive for his honesty, insights and attitude. Ridiculous to think this guy has any kind of attitude problem. Very smart and cool dude, just like everyone we sign.

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Post#156 » by Zeno » Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:23 pm

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Kris_Banks wrote:If I'm the Raptors I'd waive David Johnson and give Isaac Bonga his two-way contract and then sign Dekker to the final roster spot.

Agreed, Bonga has shown more than David - honestly don't see why they took David. He just seems lost every time he's played in summer league and not much better in preseason.

David Johnson is on a two way. Bonga is not eligible for a two way as he has 200k guaranteed and the max for a two way is 50k. Same with Dekker and Ish.
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Post#157 » by PhilBlackson » Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:55 pm

Lol it's hilarious seeing the battle of who wants Dekker vs Bonga.

End of day it's all personal opinion and ofc the Raps will have the final say so it won't matter to fight so hard over who's picked and really it's likely a difference in opinion due to roster philosphy.

Those who want Dekker likely think he's the better player NOW (keyword) and are looking for our team to be competitive right away and think Sam's shooting/scoring will help the team win more games THIS season.

Those who want Bonga are likely thinking LONG TERM because no one believes Isaac is a finished product yet. He has great measurables, shows some really good potential defensively but like a lot of our previous projects (keywords) will need to DEVELOP and that's what they're banking on, that we do what we've done with a laundry list of players now.




For me, I choose Bonga because it's just more in line with my overall philosphy for this team and where I think they are in that this PROCESS, we hit the pinnacle of the sport and now we're rebooting and starting the journey all over again but I think getting back to the mountain top is going to require a lot asset planning and how we build up VALUE of our players. Those players we develop either help raise our CEILING long term or become more VALUABLE assets in trades.

I really like Dekker as a person, seems like an awesome guy that after hearing him I do hope a team picks him up and preferably a contender so he can catch the eyes of executives and hopefully restore his NBA career for a few years. But I'd rather us develop Bonga who is actually YOUNGER than what guys like Pascal, Fred, Norm, Malachi and maybe most relevant Delon (who I think we'd try to mold into a similar player but bigger). Dekker might make a difference in a handful of games this season, if we're lucky is the difference of winning a couple more during the season and then what???? Maybe we squeek into the Playoffs and get bounced on our heads by BKN or MIL then Dekker is gone or maybe hangs on for another season!?? What did that accomplish?? Long term, nothing.

I believe we could develop Bonga into a more solid rotation player. Who WHEN when you go to trade around maybe 23-24ish is a much better player from working with our developmental staff for several years than he was coming in and suddenly that kid adds VALUE in a trade because teams think they're adding a solidified, YOUNG rotation player. Dekker isn't going to hold that kind of value as an end of bench guy on a rebuild and he's not altering life during that rebuild either. Neither of these guys are likely to see huge minutes, so why not use that roster spot to build and develop instead of the occasional bucket?! Makes sense on a team that is already a contender trying to win NOW but for a rebuild, it's all about building for tomorrow. So again I genuinely wish Sam all the best but what the team is doing today is to help build up the foundation to a BETTER tomorrow.
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Post#158 » by TheRealDeal » Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:26 pm

mtcan wrote:I'm ready to put this "Sam Dekker is a Trump supporter" talk behind me...especially if the guy makes the team.

He did post this in response to what JR said...

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Post#159 » by pingpongrac » Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:40 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:Lol it's hilarious seeing the battle of who wants Dekker vs Bonga.

End of day it's all personal opinion and ofc the Raps will have the final say so it won't matter to fight so hard over who's picked and really it's likely a difference in opinion due to roster philosphy.

Those who want Dekker likely think he's the better player NOW (keyword) and are looking for our team to be competitive right away and think Sam's shooting/scoring will help the team win more games THIS season.

Those who want Bonga are likely thinking LONG TERM because no one believes Isaac is a finished product yet. He has great measurables, shows some really good potential defensively but like a lot of our previous projects (keywords) will need to DEVELOP and that's what they're banking on, that we do what we've done with a laundry list of players now.




For me, I choose Bonga because it's just more in line with my overall philosphy for this team and where I think they are in that this PROCESS, we hit the pinnacle of the sport and now we're rebooting and starting the journey all over again but I think getting back to the mountain top is going to require a lot asset planning and how we build up VALUE of our players. Those players we develop either help raise our CEILING long term or become more VALUABLE assets in trades.

I really like Dekker as a person, seems like an awesome guy that after hearing him I do hope a team picks him up and preferably a contender so he can catch the eyes of executives and hopefully restore his NBA career for a few years. But I'd rather us develop Bonga who is actually YOUNGER than what guys like Pascal, Fred, Norm, Malachi and maybe most relevant Delon (who I think we'd try to mold into a similar player but bigger). Dekker might make a difference in a handful of games this season, if we're lucky is the difference of winning a couple more during the season and then what???? Maybe we squeek into the Playoffs and get bounced on our heads by BKN or MIL then Dekker is gone or maybe hangs on for another season!?? What did that accomplish?? Long term, nothing.

I believe we could develop Bonga into a more solid rotation player. Who WHEN when you go to trade around maybe 23-24ish is a much better player from working with our developmental staff for several years than he was coming in and suddenly that kid adds VALUE in a trade because teams think they're adding a solidified, YOUNG rotation player. Dekker isn't going to hold that kind of value as an end of bench guy on a rebuild and he's not altering life during that rebuild either. Neither of these guys are likely to see huge minutes, so why not use that roster spot to build and develop instead of the occasional bucket?! Makes sense on a team that is already a contender trying to win NOW but for a rebuild, it's all about building for tomorrow. So again I genuinely wish Sam all the best but what the team is doing today is to help build up the foundation to a BETTER tomorrow.
I understand most of where you're coming from and I wouldn't be upset with Bonga getting the nod, but how much is he really going to develop with our organization when he's playing in the G-League or planted on the bench behind Achiuwa, Banton, Barnes and OG for the next few years while they continue to develop too. We have other players that play similar positions as Bonga too but are older (Boucher, Siakam and Yuta) as well as some better younger guards (GTJ and Flynn) that also need to develop.

There is just absolutely no space/room for Bonga to get meaningful NBA minutes unless we're dealing with significant injuries and trades are made. Even now without Siakam and Boucher to start the season, Bonga would only be getting minutes in a blowout.

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Post#160 » by ash_k » Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:52 pm

pingpongrac wrote:I understand most of where you're coming from and I wouldn't be upset with Bonga getting the nod, but how much is he really going to develop with our organization when he's playing in the G-League or planted on the bench behind Achiuwa, Banton, Barnes and OG for the next few years while they continue to develop too. We have other players that play similar positions as Bonga too but are older (Boucher, Siakam and Yuta) as well as some better younger guards (GTJ and Flynn) that also need to develop.

There is just absolutely no space/room for Bonga to get meaningful NBA minutes unless we're dealing with significant injuries and trades are made. Even now without Siakam and Boucher to start the season, Bonga would only be getting minutes in a blowout.

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Norman, Fred and Siakam were all 23 and still doing stints in the G-League (G-League champs for FVV and Siakam) and look at where they are now.
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Banton(21), Champagnie(20) and Bonga(21) are all in the same situation. Let's have them win the G-League. Isaac is an international player, those are the kind of players we have to target and keep.
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