normgod6 wrote:pingpongrac wrote:Rapsfan07 wrote:
And that's cool innat, but Beal also brings more to the game. He's a better scorer than Trent and a better playmaker. Not to mention he's more efficient.
So yeah. I said this before but I think Trent is much better suited as a 6th man on a contending team.
Beal age 19-22: 17.6 PTS (44% on 2FGA and 40% on 3 FGA with 3.1 FTA and a 52 TS%), 4.1 REB, 3.3 AST per36
GTJ age 19-22: 16.5 PTS (45% on 2FGA and 39% on 3FGA with 1.8 FTA and a 54 TS%), 3.0 REB, 1.7 AST per36
Keep in mind Beal had a 23.6 USG% over that span while GTJ has a career 19.0 USG% so far. That 5% difference almost entirely accounts for the extra 1.1 points and 1.6 AST. It should be obvious that Beal would be the better scorer and playmaker now when he is in his 10th season and has played 500 more NBA games than GTJ, but their early career numbers are extremely comparable. Obviously there is no guarantee that GTJ will turn into a Beal type of player that almost averaged 25/5/5 over the last 5+ years, but it is ridiculous to claim that there is "no comparison inside the three-point line" when the numbers are so easily accessible. GTJ is more efficient inside the line than Beal was in his first 4 seasons lol.
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No the difference in usage does not account for the extra 1.6 assists. The fact that GTJ is a black hole ballstopper while Beal is a willing passer accounts for the difference. Also, just listing their percentages while ignoring attempts and shot type is misleading. By his 4th year, Beal was averaging 20% of his total shots from 0-3 feet, while GTJ is averaging 7% of his shot from 0-3 feet. His career high was 12% in his rookie season in an extremely small sample size, but that has decreased every year. Aside from both shooting 3s, GTJ's shot profile is completely different compared to Beal. As you have noted, Beal was shooting 5 free throws per 100 compared to Trent's 2.7 this year. Its clear to me that Beal was able to generate high quality looks for himself at the rim and draw fouls/ finish at the rim, while Trent has never shown that. This is very important as the single most important skillset an all star guard needs to have is to be able to get to the rim off the dribble. Beal was able to show that early into his career, while Trent has never been able to do that. That's why people peg GTJ in the JR Smith, Jordan Clarkson, Lou Williams type mold. Trent's inability to beat defenders off the dribble and either finish plays or make kick out passes will forever make the Beal comparisons out of reach.
Maybe you misinterpreted what I meant by USG% accounting for the difference in scoring and assists. I didn't mean GTJ is exactly replicating Beal's early career numbers, but it would be even closer than it already is of you account for the difference in USG%. Assuming GTJ produces at a similar rate, that extra USG% would boost his PPG by ~3.5 and his AST by ~.5 (so 20.5 PTS and 2.2 AST per36). Also, let's not forget that Beal was playing with an elite playmaker in Wall for most of his career. Are we sure that Beal demonstrated such high quality looks at the rim for himself or did his teammate(s) have a hand in that?
We get it. You think GTJ is a black hole...but are you ever going to address how badly you were owned in the GTJ/Norm trade thread? We're still waiting for you to acknowledge that Powell is even more of a black hole than GTJ. GTJ is actually showing signs of improving as a playmaker this season too (8 games of 3+ AST after having just 10 games of 3+ AST last season). He's a scorer first and foremost, but he's showing a willingness to keep the ball moving lately.
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