Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey"

[LBJKB24MJ23]

And what’s lost in this thread is that people were claiming Maxey was on the table but Windhorst comes out today saying he wasn’t.

In terms of Maxey and Precious. Miami drafted Precious over Maxey. They are among the best drafting teams in the league. If you look at the kind of tools that GM’s covet in young players, Precious ticks many of those boxes. GM’s will always go with a guy who is tall, long, freakishly athletic, can handle the ball, shoot the three and defend at a high level.

His ceiling is higher than Maxey’s. That is undeniable. What we don’t know is if he can reach that ceiling. It’s a risk that every GM in this league will take. No one cares about who the better player is now. We’ll look in 3 years.

We drafted Flynn over Bane, what’s your point?

The Heat drafted Justise Winslow over Devin Booker. Would that make Winslow’s ceiling higher than him?

Just take the L, dude, it’s not that hard. Admit that Maxey is a better player than Achiuwa.

right now, for sure. theres not doubt Maxey is a better basketball player today. 5 years down the road, big men do take their time developing. so who is potentially more impactful down the road, probably Achiuwa, because he looks to be able to play all 3 forward positions down the road, esp if he develops his handles, decision making, and shooting.

but right now, Maxey is the better player.

[Badonkadonk]

This thread trying to decipher what Windhorst and others said at the trade deadline vs. now and filling in the pieces of what "must" have happened is now my favourite unintentional comedy thread ahead of the old tWo mess. This is great

[WaltFrazier]

It's also an ultra casual take. In the first half....all of maxey's points came from open shots. Which were by design and given to him by our defense. And maxey was getting roasted by switches onto barnes.

But "derrr ball goes in derrr ball doesnt go in" casuals dont know about any of that. Maxey had a hot shooting night. And then in the third he scored 3 or 4 times off of penetration.

In case noone noticed....the raps have been turning third option scorers into primary scorers all season.

Maxey was hitting open 3s AND penetrating at will both. It's what makes him dangerous compared to deadly shooters who aren't a threat when they get run off the line.

He may be not quite as hot from 3 next game and
still hurt us. He played well last game too, not like tonight for sure but we'll. It's Tobias who really improved over last league game, he was terrible that night and very good tonight. He's the one I don't expect to duplicate tonight again

Show me his penetration bucket from the first half. He was OPEN. He wasn't covered.

Maybe you'll be happy if we shut down maxey and embiid/harden combine for 70 points. But i doubt it.

When our D is working, more connected as Nurse says, we are better at taking away the inside and still getting out to challenge shooters like Maxey last night. When it's not so good we are reliant on guys missing. We need to get firing on all cylinders again.

[Los_29]

And what’s lost in this thread is that people were claiming Maxey was on the table but Windhorst comes out today saying he wasn’t.

In terms of Maxey and Precious. Miami drafted Precious over Maxey. They are among the best drafting teams in the league. If you look at the kind of tools that GM’s covet in young players, Precious ticks many of those boxes. GM’s will always go with a guy who is tall, long, freakishly athletic, can handle the ball, shoot the three and defend at a high level.

His ceiling is higher than Maxey’s. That is undeniable. What we don’t know is if he can reach that ceiling. It’s a risk that every GM in this league will take. No one cares about who the better player is now. We’ll look in 3 years.

We drafted Flynn over Bane, what’s your point?

The Heat drafted Justise Winslow over Devin Booker. Would that make Winslow’s ceiling higher than him?

Just take the L, dude, it’s not that hard. Admit that Maxey is a better player than Achiuwa.

I actually think you need to take the L for thinking that I think Precious is better than Maxey right now. Have you even read this thread? The word ceiling has been thrown around a 100 times. We aren’t talking about who the better player is now. We are talking about who the better player will be in the future.

[sca]

And what’s lost in this thread is that people were claiming Maxey was on the table but Windhorst comes out today saying he wasn’t.

In terms of Maxey and Precious. Miami drafted Precious over Maxey. They are among the best drafting teams in the league. If you look at the kind of tools that GM’s covet in young players, Precious ticks many of those boxes. GM’s will always go with a guy who is tall, long, freakishly athletic, can handle the ball, shoot the three and defend at a high level.

His ceiling is higher than Maxey’s. That is undeniable. What we don’t know is if he can reach that ceiling. It’s a risk that every GM in this league will take. No one cares about who the better player is now. We’ll look in 3 years.

We drafted Flynn over Bane, what’s your point?

The Heat drafted Justise Winslow over Devin Booker. Would that make Winslow’s ceiling higher than him?

Just take the L, dude, it’s not that hard. Admit that Maxey is a better player than Achiuwa.

I actually think you need to take the L for thinking that I think Precious is better than Maxey right now. Have you even read this thread? The word ceiling has been thrown around a 100 times. We aren’t talking about who the better player is now. We are talking about who the better player will be in the future.

This was your argument, literally:

- The Heat have drafted Precious over Maxey
- The Heat are so good at drafting that it somehow supports the idea that Precious has more potential than Maxey (you even said that it’s UNDENIABLE)

My refutal was:

- If the Heat drafting Precious over Maxey is such a strıng indicator of Precious having more potential than Maxey, then could we say the same thing about Winslow and Booker, since the Heat also passed on the latter for the former?

p.s. You’re a good poster. I’ve been wrong on this board a trillion times. We can revisit this in a couple of years, but no one in their right mind would trade Maxey for Precious right now (just to give an example).

edit: I meant to say that Maxey is better right now and will most certainly be in the future.

[Steelo Green]

And what’s lost in this thread is that people were claiming Maxey was on the table but Windhorst comes out today saying he wasn’t.

In terms of Maxey and Precious. Miami drafted Precious over Maxey. They are among the best drafting teams in the league. If you look at the kind of tools that GM’s covet in young players, Precious ticks many of those boxes. GM’s will always go with a guy who is tall, long, freakishly athletic, can handle the ball, shoot the three and defend at a high level.

His ceiling is higher than Maxey’s. That is undeniable. What we don’t know is if he can reach that ceiling. It’s a risk that every GM in this league will take. No one cares about who the better player is now. We’ll look in 3 years.

We drafted Flynn over Bane, what’s your point?

The Heat drafted Justise Winslow over Devin Booker. Would that make Winslow’s ceiling higher than him?

Just take the L, dude, it’s not that hard. Admit that Maxey is a better player than Achiuwa.

I actually think you need to take the L for thinking that I think Precious is better than Maxey right now. Have you even read this thread? The word ceiling has been thrown around a 100 times. We aren’t talking about who the better player is now. We are talking about who the better player will be in the future.

Anyone could say anyone has a higher ceiling.

Why Precious does right now is it fits your narrative.

[Los_29]

Look for a link yourself. It was March of 2021. The tweet I posted about the Philly writer mentioning about what Windhorst had mentioned was correct. Windhorst had come on air during some segment on ESPN I was watching and had mentioned Raptors and Philly were close, but Masai upped the demands when deal was close to the 10 yard line. Masai raised the ante and wanted both Maxey and Thybulle, along with two first rounders. There was a third team involved also, and Danny Green was heading back to Toronto for cap reasons. That really tells me that Masai did not want Lowry going to Philly for some reason. Morey was correct to turn down Masai's demands of 2 first round picks, and Maxey and Thybulle.

I was going to say - Windy himself at the time said Maxey was enough but we wanted way more and now he’s switching the story.

I agree, the man seems confused, and maybe he forgot what he said previously. I watched a segment on ESPN where Windhorst was on the air in March 2021 before the trade deadline, where he mentioned that the Sixers were willing to part with Maxey for Lowry. However, Masai raised the stakes, and wanted 2 first round picks along with Thybulle as well. Danny Green was supposed to be shipped to Toronto as well in a three team deal to make salaries work, but after Masai wanted Thybulle also, Morey rejected that trade demand. Now, he is forgetting what he said on air at that time.

However, another well known NBA writer from Hoopshype/USA Today Michael Scotto had also reported at the time what Windhorst himself had said on air- Maxey was available in a package for Lowry, but the sticking point was Thybulle, since Masai wanted them both. Philly rejected that deal.

Report: Tyrese Maxey Among Available Assets in 76ers Offer for Kyle Lowry
https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-trade-talks-philadelphia-76ers-tyrese-maxey-for-kyle-lowry

I’m actually amazed at how much you guys want to be right here. You’d think that with so many conflicting reports you’d realize that, just maybe, no one has any idea what was offered.

Brian Windhorst said yesterday the Sixers weren’t giving up Maxey. Reportedly the Lakers weren’t willing to give up THT, Heat were offering Nunn/Robinson and yet you think the Sixers were offering this magical package that has significantly more value than the other offers. Do you not think Morey knew what other teams were offering? Keep in mind that Morey doesn’t exactly have a glowing reputation around the league.

If you guys love Maxey then you should be happy that our front office reportedly wanted him. Morey wasn’t willing to pull the trigger and it unfortunately cost him a championship.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

What's more likely, that he plays like AI for the rest of the playoffs or reverts to the median? He got hot, our guards got into foul trouble early. It happens.

[KrazyP]

Precious Achiuwa right now projects to deliver an OG Anunoby type of impact 2-3 yrs down the line. Passable offense with elite defense.

Im pretty sure most people would agree with this outside of those whose brains are glazed with high degrees of negativity and/or anti-Ujiri personal agendas.

Maxey is a great young player and if he continues to develop, I could see him hitting Kemba Walker like impact.....big time shot maker with mediocre defense. The league, media and fans have a bias towards offense so he will always have more value across the league than Precious/OG types.

That said, for the Raptors specifically, if you consider the team they are trying to build with a focus on disruptive, versatile defenders....I could see Ujiri/Nurse liking Precious more. Theres no need for this to be such a controversial subject.

[Steelo Green]

I was going to say - Windy himself at the time said Maxey was enough but we wanted way more and now he’s switching the story.

I agree, the man seems confused, and maybe he forgot what he said previously. I watched a segment on ESPN where Windhorst was on the air in March 2021 before the trade deadline, where he mentioned that the Sixers were willing to part with Maxey for Lowry. However, Masai raised the stakes, and wanted 2 first round picks along with Thybulle as well. Danny Green was supposed to be shipped to Toronto as well in a three team deal to make salaries work, but after Masai wanted Thybulle also, Morey rejected that trade demand. Now, he is forgetting what he said on air at that time.

However, another well known NBA writer from Hoopshype/USA Today Michael Scotto had also reported at the time what Windhorst himself had said on air- Maxey was available in a package for Lowry, but the sticking point was Thybulle, since Masai wanted them both. Philly rejected that deal.

Report: Tyrese Maxey Among Available Assets in 76ers Offer for Kyle Lowry
https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-trade-talks-philadelphia-76ers-tyrese-maxey-for-kyle-lowry

I’m actually amazed at how much you guys want to be right here. You’d think that with so many conflicting reports you’d realize that, just maybe, no one has any idea what was offered.

Brian Windhorst said yesterday the Sixers weren’t giving up Maxey. Reportedly the Lakers weren’t willing to give up THT, Heat were offering Nunn/Robinson and yet you think the Sixers were offering this magical package that has significantly more value than the other offers. Do you not think Morey knew what other teams were offering? Keep in mind that Morey doesn’t exactly have a glowing reputation around the league.

If you guys love Maxey then you should be happy that our front office reportedly wanted him. Morey wasn’t willing to pull the trigger and it unfortunately cost him a championship.

Our front office wanted way more and got greedy.

There’s enough proof and even inconsistency in Windhorst who before people said was irrelevant because he wasn’t Woj and now he’s the be all end all?

[Los_29]

This report from Brian Windhorst proves we are in excellent hands. Our front office has such a great eye for talent. Turned down the Robinson/Nunn offer last year to hold out for Precious, wanted Maxey from the Sixers. Last year people wanted Lowry dealt for anything as long as we got something back for him. I think most agree that this approach would have been disastrous for this franchise.

[C_Money]

LOL people actually believe Precious Achiuwa has more potential than Tyrese Maxey? Your Raptors bias is showing.

[NBJ13]

So this could have been our next Kyle + Demar

[Los_29]

So this could have been our next Kyle + Demar

Yep but Morey said no. I think Nurse would lose his mind seeing Maxey defend but there is no doubt Maxey would give us some scoring punch off the bench. I'm happy with Precious though. Fits better into what we are trying to do and his ceiling is quite high.

LOL people actually believe Precious Achiuwa has more potential than Tyrese Maxey? Your Raptors bias is showing.

No one has told me why they think Maxey has more potential. The only reason they have is that he's better now. There were a lot of players that were better than Pascal from his draft class in his rookie season. Now he's better than 99% of them.

What's the difference between Collin Sexton and Tyrese Maxey? There are a lot of similarities between Sexton and Maxey. A lot more than many would want to believe and yet no one was pushing for the Raptors to bring in Collin Sexton in the offseason. Why is one player seen to have very little value around the league despite proving more in the NBA while the other is seen as the next big thing by a select few on here?

[WaltFrazier]

Precious Achiuwa right now projects to deliver an OG Anunoby type of impact 2-3 yrs down the line. Passable offense with elite defense.

Im pretty sure most people would agree with this outside of those whose brains are glazed with high degrees of negativity and/or anti-Ujiri personal agendas.

Maxey is a great young player and if he continues to develop, I could see him hitting Kemba Walker like impact.....big time shot maker with mediocre defense. The league, media and fans have a bias towards offense so he will always have more value across the league than Precious/OG types.

That said, for the Raptors specifically, if you consider the team they are trying to build with a focus on disruptive, versatile defenders....I could see Ujiri/Nurse liking Precious more. Theres no need for this to be such a controversial subject.

Agree no point in making it a controversy. But those who say categorically that Precious has higher ceiling - well Maxey is 21, it's not like he won't keep improving. It's not certain at all who will end up better. Neither is done developing. It's just guessing to project one far ahead of the other

[Los_29]

Precious Achiuwa right now projects to deliver an OG Anunoby type of impact 2-3 yrs down the line. Passable offense with elite defense.

Im pretty sure most people would agree with this outside of those whose brains are glazed with high degrees of negativity and/or anti-Ujiri personal agendas.

Maxey is a great young player and if he continues to develop, I could see him hitting Kemba Walker like impact.....big time shot maker with mediocre defense. The league, media and fans have a bias towards offense so he will always have more value across the league than Precious/OG types.

That said, for the Raptors specifically, if you consider the team they are trying to build with a focus on disruptive, versatile defenders....I could see Ujiri/Nurse liking Precious more. Theres no need for this to be such a controversial subject.

Agree no point in making it a controversy. But those who say categorically that Precious has higher ceiling - well Maxey is 21, it's not like he won't keep improving. It's not certain at all who will end up better. Neither is done developing. It's just guessing to project one far ahead of the other

Age has very little to do with someone's ceiling. Pascal is a good example of that. He came into the league at the age of 22 but has probably improved more than anyone from his draft class. Reason why is because he had the tools to be very good in this league. Precious has those same kinds of tools. It's up to him and the coaching staff to develop them. Maxey could very well be the better player for the remainder of their careers. But in terms of ceiling, Precious has the higher one and NBA teams will generally always choose a player with the higher ceiling with the floor of a solid rotation player as opposed to a player like Maxey who has the higher floor but a far lower ceiling. Unless of course they aren't looking towards the future and want the best chance to win immediately. If that's the case then Maxey is the guy. But just not long-term.

[Chandan]

Agree no point in making it a controversy. But those who say categorically that Precious has higher ceiling - well Maxey is 21, it's not like he won't keep improving. It's not certain at all who will end up better. Neither is done developing. It's just guessing to project one far ahead of the other

All those who think its correct to choose length/ athleticism/ high ceiling are invested in short/ slow/ low ceiling Fred.

[Psubs]

This report from Brian Windhorst proves we are in excellent hands. Our front office has such a great eye for talent. Turned down the Robinson/Nunn offer last year to hold out for Precious, wanted Maxey from the Sixers. Last year people wanted Lowry dealt for anything as long as we got something back for him. I think most agree that this approach would have been disastrous for this franchise.

I would've been fine with Maxey and Paul Reed. Though Danny Green would've needed to be sent over.

[ash_k]

Agree no point in making it a controversy. But those who say categorically that Precious has higher ceiling - well Maxey is 21, it's not like he won't keep improving. It's not certain at all who will end up better. Neither is done developing. It's just guessing to project one far ahead of the other

"Precious vs Maxey" if you will..resembles to "Barnes vs Suggs."
The league belongs to 6'8/7'2Wings built like Precious.
After watching Maxey score 38pts in a playoff game showing John Wall-type-of-acceleration, it would be really easy to be on the Maxey train. Precious is just a few months older than Maxey
Precious seems to be the quickest player on the team with or without the ball. He has the quickest first step on the team.
If you put everything that Precious has shown in different games into one Package, Precious looks like an all-star forward with Dominant physical ability.
Precious is transitioning from being considered a bigman to a forward

[Johnny Bball]

There is a reason I was so adamant that not acquiring Maxey when we had the chance was a mistake. Tonight he showed that he is one of the brightest young players in the league. A lot of people with personal agendas first wanted to say he wasnt available and then that he is a dime a dozen player. It's too bad we can't have an honest discourse.

He wasn't even offered and you're still defending your old bad take!!! I told you then that it was a BS rumour because they would have taken the offer and you didn't listen. And here you are yet again trying to make that rumour real... damn this gets funnier every day.

Honest discourse? Hahahahahahaha.

Our front office wanted way more and got greedy.

There’s enough proof and even inconsistency in Windhorst who before people said was irrelevant because he wasn’t Woj and now he’s the be all end all?

Even your echo chamber can't admit it lol.