Has it not become overwhelmingly clear (even to management) it's time to blow this up?

[jepjep]

Retain Trent Siakam OG Barnes achiuwa koloko Banton as the core group

[Appostis]

After so many post-championship years we have a bit of perspective on management. They managed this mediocrity since the title.

They have not gone into the luxury tax once to seriously pursue any title hopes.

They haven't made any trades to take a step back or show any sort of direction towards building their prospect/draft assets.

Instead they have preached organic growth the entire time and worked with Nurse to construct this weird roster of forwards with overlapping skillsets and no guards with rim attacking ability and zero viable Cs.

To me, the clear change is needed from the top-down. They have to dump the front-office and Nurse. Bobby and Nurse have managed to ruin this team with their utter nonsense approach which basically has amounted to this team being bottom five in the league overall.

We have good assets in Pascal, OG, Trent and FVV that need to be traded, but I want another front office doing that work. And I definitely don't want Nurse coaching the next crop of talent. I have to admit, he is such a smooth, straight-shooter that you can't help but hope the best with him, but his results have been pretty weak given the skilled players he has had.

you want to get rid of all the people who acquired and developed all of our good players/assets?

This fanbase is way too spoiled. Take a look at the last 10 years for the other 29 franchises around the league and compare it the Raptors. There's maybe a handful of teams that you'd trade with.

Yup.

It's pretty clear with have alot of delusional and spoiled fans.

[Appostis]

Retain Trent Siakam OG Barnes achiuwa koloko Banton as the core group

110% this.

[Basketball_Jones]

We think and panac game by game. They’re looking ahead and calculating this team won’t even win 35 games and are sitting on it for a tank. I’m just hoping these knuckleheads don’t mess around and make the play-in. I’m cool with no trades as long as the losses pile up

[Raps in 4]

Retain Trent Siakam OG Barnes achiuwa koloko Banton as the core group

So retain the whole team except Fred lol?

[agkagk]

After so many post-championship years we have a bit of perspective on management. They managed this mediocrity since the title.

They have not gone into the luxury tax once to seriously pursue any title hopes.

They haven't made any trades to take a step back or show any sort of direction towards building their prospect/draft assets.

Instead they have preached organic growth the entire time and worked with Nurse to construct this weird roster of forwards with overlapping skillsets and no guards with rim attacking ability and zero viable Cs.

To me, the clear change is needed from the top-down. They have to dump the front-office and Nurse. Bobby and Nurse have managed to ruin this team with their utter nonsense approach which basically has amounted to this team being bottom five in the league overall.

We have good assets in Pascal, OG, Trent and FVV that need to be traded, but I want another front office doing that work. And I definitely don't want Nurse coaching the next crop of talent. I have to admit, he is such a smooth, straight-shooter that you can't help but hope the best with him, but his results have been pretty weak given the skilled players he has had.

you want to get rid of all the people who acquired and developed all of our good players/assets?

This fanbase is way too spoiled. Take a look at the last 10 years for the other 29 franchises around the league and compare it the Raptors. There's maybe a handful of teams that you'd trade with.

Yup.

It's pretty clear with have alot of delusional and spoiled fans.

trade everyone for as many picks in the mid twenties as possible.

and then send a lynch mob to freds house and lets bust up his other hip, cause he's selfish.

[jepjep]

We think and panac game by game. They’re looking ahead and calculating this team won’t even win 35 games and are sitting on it for a tank. I’m just hoping these knuckleheads don’t mess around and make the play-in. I’m cool with no trades as long as the losses pile up

I’m good with this too and a top 5 pick next year sets us up for the next 5 yrs. Only problem is the $$$ aspect. If Fvv is not staying, we might as well get a 1st rd pick for him. I want us to re sign Trent but if we decide not to, then get another 1st rd pick also

[Appostis]

We think and panac game by game. They’re looking ahead and calculating this team won’t even win 35 games and are sitting on it for a tank. I’m just hoping these knuckleheads don’t mess around and make the play-in. I’m cool with no trades as long as the losses pile up

I’m good with this too and a top 5 pick next year sets us up for the next 5 yrs. Only problem is the $$$ aspect. If Fvv is not staying, we might as well get a 1st rd pick for him. I want us to re sign Trent but if we decide not to, then get another 1st rd pick also

This is why a trade of one of FVV/GTJ makes sense.

Makes the team bad enough for a good pick but still sets the team up going forward money wise.

People talking about trading more are setting up the team for years of trademil

[akakalakin]

including management. Masai, Bobby Nurse and staffs have to go in any kind of tank.

[Prestige]

We have yet to see decisive action to go in one direction or another. I wouldn’t be surprised if the front office truly believed this core can grow into a championship contender, and as such don’t need to blow it up or tank. Just keep plodding along, add whatever lottery picks are available.

Who knows, maybe the addition of the 10th pick, a freshly signed FVV, Barnes growth, and some backup 6-9 C will lead this team to contender status next year .

[Los_29]

We have yet to see decisive action to go in one direction or another. I wouldn’t be surprised if the front office truly believed this core can grow into a championship contender, and as such don’t need to blow it up or tank. Just keep plodding along, add whatever lottery picks are available.

Who knows, maybe the addition of the 10th pick, a freshly signed FVV, Barnes growth, and some backup 6-9 C will lead this team to contender status next year .

We haven't seen decisive action from any teams yet. You're not going to see that in January.

The Pacers, Knicks, Thunder, Kings, Bulls, Magic, Hawks, Heat, Jazz, Suns, Blazers, Timberwolves and Warriors plan on going for it as well. You'll see decisions being made in a few weeks in my opinion.

[DelAbbot]

this win buys us another 3 games to continue evaluating

[refshateRaps]

Im not sure what anyone especially management expected this season anyway?

Even if we made the playoffs who was gonna carry the load? Pascal? I mean he very good and all but this was never a serious team for the playoffs

Very disappointed that we had far more value in trade chips to become a better team coming into this season.

[Scizzup]

We have yet to see decisive action to go in one direction or another. I wouldn’t be surprised if the front office truly believed this core can grow into a championship contender, and as such don’t need to blow it up or tank. Just keep plodding along, add whatever lottery picks are available.

Who knows, maybe the addition of the 10th pick, a freshly signed FVV, Barnes growth, and some backup 6-9 C will lead this team to contender status next year .

The only time this team been a bonafide contender was when he traded for a top 5 player. You need at least a top 10 player to win in this league and there is a gap between whoever you think is the 10th best player and Pascal. Management knows this but players don't really tank. If they are still stuck at 9th-11 seed after February, you'll probably see guys sit out more due to minor injuries.

Even the bubble season where they did well in the RS they lost in 7 to one of the worst Celtics team in the last 5 years. A team that played Theis as their big man.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

just move on these guys like what the Jays management failed to do with Donaldson, Bautista and Encarnacion.

FVV is on the forefront of this movement. followed by Siakam. somewhere between the two, GTJ as well (if they aren't planning to resign him - i mean if they move FVV, resign GTJ as a possibility)

the half court offense has been quite **** with FVV at the helm. obviously personnel changes are required as well throughout the roster but the lackadaisal season is a reflection of your leaders in FVV and Siakam.

The thing is though, they took the ball out of FVV's hands, and the halfcourt offense is worse than tanking teams. Fred likely isn't happy about that as a veteran player who has been forced to defer and differentiate from his natural game.

[Appostis]

including management. Masai, Bobby Nurse and staffs have to go in any kind of tank.

Should consider following a new team

[Preliudas]

From today's game, after seeing coaching staff riding starters for 40+ minutes, I don't see a sign that Raptors are tanking of in anyway.

[Airmiess]

All you need is Barnes and OG, Siakam alone should net you a good starter kit for a rebuild. You got 2 all stars picked near the end or at the end draft - extrapolate value while you can. You've exhausted most of the good years already.

[Inevitable]

The team and coaches are playing to win and to get certain players paid, if people want to see this team stay in the lotto range you just gotta hope they lose.

FO won't rest/keep players out till after the deadline like the Tampa tank.

[IRS]

A casual observer from business standpoint would look at the Raptors and conclude management needs to be removed, why isn't action being taken in this situation. If you're honest that is.

Of all the ridiculous posts I've read...

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