Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II

[Dalek]

I have been keeping tabs on Olivier-Maxence Prosper who is a 6'8 junior forward at Marquette and he has made a leap this season. I could see him potentially as a second rounder, or undrafted - but he a skilled defensive forward with a basketball family, and grew up in Montreal. O-Max looks like a guy worth a deeper look at if he goes through the draft:

Marquette head coach Shaka Smart says that intention has played a factor in Olivier-Maxence's breakout junior season.

The forward is averaging a career-best 14.0 points and 4.6 rebounds per game, both good for second on the team.

"O-Max has really worked. He's been an everyday guy," Smart said. "Living in the gym, doing extra, spending time with multiple members of our program, getting better and being very, very intentional about the areas where he needs to grow and wants to grow.

"He's done a terrific job utilizing the experiences that he's had over his first couple of years of college. To be an older, more confident, more mature player this year and that doesn't just happen."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-siblings-pro-hoop-dreams-1.6725219

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Hope for his sake that he only brought Miles the gun because he said he wanted protection or something. I doubt Miller knew Miles was gonna kill someone with it. We’ll see as more evidence comes out.

Edit: Just read the article, he was indeed told that the gun was for self protection. Miles never indicated he was going to kill someone with it.

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Hope for his sake that he only brought Miles the gun because he said he wanted protection or something. I doubt Miller knew Miles was gonna kill someone with it. We’ll see as more evidence comes out.

Edit: Just read the article, he was indeed told that the gun was for self protection. Miles never indicated he was going to kill someone with it.

With a gun, you can only kill someone. It's got no other use.

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Hope for his sake that he only brought Miles the gun because he said he wanted protection or something. I doubt Miller knew Miles was gonna kill someone with it. We’ll see as more evidence comes out.

Edit: Just read the article, he was indeed told that the gun was for self protection. Miles never indicated he was going to kill someone with it.

With a gun, you can only kill someone. It's got no other use.

Not true, people keep it for self protection. How would Miller know Miles would take the gun and go out and kill some girl. Then again I’m biased because my uncle got jail time for gun possession. The police only knew about the gun because one of his neighbours called the police and told them they saw drugs in his house. It wasn’t drugs. What my uncle did was wrong and he lives a straight and narrow life now (no need to have a gun in that case). Just because Miller gave him the gun doesn’t mean he thought a murder was gonna take place.

[WuTang_CMB]

George even though inefficient at times, def looks like a real nba player. If he puts it all together, could definitely be a steal if taken late

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[alpngso]

Didnt Jaden Hardy produce similar numbers against real men in the G league? So what’s the difference between Hardy vs Keyonte George? Top 10 pick vs 2nd rd big of difference? Hardy definitely has more prestige being hot name since high school right?

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Hope for his sake that he only brought Miles the gun because he said he wanted protection or something. I doubt Miller knew Miles was gonna kill someone with it. We’ll see as more evidence comes out.

Edit: Just read the article, he was indeed told that the gun was for self protection. Miles never indicated he was going to kill someone with it.

This is so unfortunate.

Banchero had the drunk driving incident last year. Unless something else comes out, I doubt this does anything to Miller’s draft stock.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Man this draft is a total crapshoot after Wembanyama

[ArthurVandelay]

This article gives a full run down on the incidents leading up to shooting.

“Asked by AL.com why Miller was not charged, Tuscaloosa chief deputy D.A. Paula Whitley said, “That’s not a question I can answer. There’s nothing we could charge him with,’' according to the law, she said.”

https://www.al.com/news/2023/02/darius-miles-texted-brandon-miller-to-bring-gun-used-to-kill-jamea-jonae-harris-police-testify.html

[WuTang_CMB]

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Big big fan! Kid's a baller. Very underrated at the moment. Not the tallest or most athletic, but really knows how to play the game, lights out shooter and a hell of a playmaker. Still very young too. I really wish we hung to that second rounder....

[BoyzNTheHood]

Didnt Jaden Hardy produce similar numbers against real men in the G league? So what’s the difference between Hardy vs Keyonte George? Top 10 pick vs 2nd rd big of difference? Hardy definitely has more prestige being hot name since high school right?

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He’s way too similar to Hardy. I liked Hardy last season though, but tbh George is doing what he’s doing against kids and it’s not super impressive statistically. Hardy was disappointing as well, but at least we could have said he was playing against men.

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Hope for his sake that he only brought Miles the gun because he said he wanted protection or something. I doubt Miller knew Miles was gonna kill someone with it. We’ll see as more evidence comes out.

Edit: Just read the article, he was indeed told that the gun was for self protection. Miles never indicated he was going to kill someone with it.

That's a pretty big red flag. Whether it affects his draft stock or not, I don't know, but if some of the better run organizations end up in the top 3-5 he might get passed on because there really isn't that much separation between 3-8 in this draft. Dude is set to be a top 5 pick in the NBA draft and he's out here transporting weapons for teammates. The fact that he didn't get charged is pure luck.

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Put Anthony Black with Scottie. Fun passing, ball pressuring duo who cannot shoot but who cares

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Big big fan! Kid's a baller. Very underrated at the moment. Not the tallest or most athletic, but really knows how to play the game, lights out shooter and a hell of a playmaker. Still very young too. I really wish we hung to that second rounder....

I heard a comparison between him and Keyonte George, that he's a poor man's George which is not bad. Have to dig some more to see if that comparison is true.

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Didnt Jaden Hardy produce similar numbers against real men in the G league? So what’s the difference between Hardy vs Keyonte George? Top 10 pick vs 2nd rd big of difference? Hardy definitely has more prestige being hot name since high school right?

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Better playmaker, better defender, shoots better from 3 as well from the percentages. I think George on a team with an established offence where he's the 3rd option on the floor would be ideal. Still would like him on the Raptors if he falls as a 6th man guy on the bench. If he works out then it makes Trent more tradeable if we are extending him

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Put Anthony Black with Scottie. Fun passing, ball pressuring duo who cannot shoot but who cares

Orlando should be all on on him with their Chicago pick. Would be the perfect dot connecter with Franz and Paulo

[Thaddy]

I'm hoping we finish sixth to avoid the play-in.

1 Wemby
2 Scoot
3 Miller
4 Whitemore
5 Smith
6 Walker
7 Amen Thompson
8 Black
9 Ausar Thompson
10 Hendricks

That will probably round out the top 10 (some order). The next 5-7 guys feel like they are in our range.

11 Wallace
12 George
13 Dick
14 Howard
15 Hood-Schifino
16 Murray
17 Rupert

I would go with Rupert or Coulibaly. They are long guards with 7ish foot wingspans that can play point of attack defense and spread the floor. Both will be 19 in their rookie year and we can mould him through the 905.

Poeltl - Koloko
Siakam - Boucher
Barnes - Achiuwa
Trent - Rupert
Fred - Banton

I guess OG goes for picks but getting back a good back up PG prospect for him could make Fred expendable if he continues to have fit issues.

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Yeah, I've been a bit back and forth on Black as he's had a few rough games this season but on a whole I think he would def be a solid addition. All things considered, after seeing smaller guys continually get exploited on defense, I'd rather have the bigger player. A guy like Lowry is an outlier.

Of course there's concerns with his long-range shooting maybe not being as solid as others in his tier but his defense/playmaking would be fun to see put in the mix with OG/Scottie/Pascal/Yak.

Really no interest in the all offense, subpar defense prospects at all. If you're struggling a bit at this level how's that gonna work when you're taking a leap at the next level?

My other worry, which doesn't mean we shouldn't draft him, is that his additive playmaking would be wasted in a Nick Nurse conservative iso offense.

Black and Walker two of my faves so far. Just good basketball players