2023 Draft Discussion Part 4

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George @13

Baylor: Guard, Freshman, 6-4)

Previous rank: 10 (-3)

Best rank: 6 (CBS Sports)

Worst rank: 15

Keyonte George is a combo guard who can create space off the dribble, score beyond the arc with stepback jumpers, and attack the paint off the dribble with the ability to draw fouls after ranking in the 94th percentile in free throw attempts (4.5), per CBB Analytics.

Defensively, NBA teams may look to attack him, given his size at 6-foot-4. Offensively, he’ll need to cut down on his turnovers and become more consistent as a shooter.

Among the comparisons George has drawn from NBA executives is former Sixth Man of the Year Eric Gordon.

Jordan Hawkins is considered one of the top shooters, especially coming off screens, in this year’s draft and cracked the lottery for the first time in the aggregate mock draft.

“The NCAA Tournament was a coming-out party for him,” an NBA scout told HoopsHype. “I don’t think people realize how athletic he is. He can really get up. That’s part of why he gets his shot off so quickly. How he comes off screens is elite.”

Playing alongside Victor Wembanyama helped Bilal Coulibaly make a name for himself with NBA talent evaluators routinely on hand for their games.

After recently declaring for the draft, Coulibaly vaulted into the first round of the aggregate mock draft for the first time after consecutive finishes in the 40s in the past two editions.

Offensively, he can create off the dribble and get to the rim with capable finishing ability. Defensively, his athleticism and size offer upside as a two-way player as he rounds out his game with more experience. Improving his shooting and adding needed strength are needed areas of improvement.

Happy with either. Doubt Cason falls so happy with these two

Hawkins athleticism is underrated. He needs to improve his dribbling and get stronger to be a starter. He's instant offense coming off the bench.

Bilal's feel for the game is intriguing to me. Timely cuts to basket and defensive rotations makes believe he has a high basketball IQ. Positive intel about his work ethic and character might make him my clear favorite at 13. (if know one falls out of the top 10)

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George @13

Jordan Hawkins is considered one of the top shooters, especially coming off screens, in this year’s draft and cracked the lottery for the first time in the aggregate mock draft.

“The NCAA Tournament was a coming-out party for him,” an NBA scout told HoopsHype. “I don’t think people realize how athletic he is. He can really get up. That’s part of why he gets his shot off so quickly. How he comes off screens is elite.”

Playing alongside Victor Wembanyama helped Bilal Coulibaly make a name for himself with NBA talent evaluators routinely on hand for their games.

After recently declaring for the draft, Coulibaly vaulted into the first round of the aggregate mock draft for the first time after consecutive finishes in the 40s in the past two editions.

Offensively, he can create off the dribble and get to the rim with capable finishing ability. Defensively, his athleticism and size offer upside as a two-way player as he rounds out his game with more experience. Improving his shooting and adding needed strength are needed areas of improvement.

Happy with either. Doubt Cason falls so happy with these two

Hawkins athleticism is underrated. He needs to improve his dribbling and get stronger to be a starter. He's instant offense coming off the bench.

Bilal's feel for the game is intriguing to me. Timely cuts to basket and defensive rotations makes believe he has a high basketball IQ. Positive intel about his work ethic and character might make him my clear favorite at 13. (if know one falls out of the top 10)

Bilal is the swing for the fences pick, the kind of pick Masai likes when it's there. Like Giannis, Scottie, etc. He's looking for someone that can move the needle. Bilal looks like he fits the bill, but his young age and the amount of development make him risky, which is why a talent like him may not get picked before 13. Hopefully none of the GM's before hand have enough exposure or the cajones to draft Bilal. Regardless if we take him, I'd prefer he be there; it's weird but I'd rather pass up on him then miss out on him early because of the stupid decisions this deadline.

[ItsDanger]

There is a rough top 10 consensus, but historically there will be a player that falls. It's only 3 spots so good chance they will have that option.

https://deanondraft.substack.com/p/sweet-16-big-board
Does that fall in line with your consensus?

No. Wemby,Scoot,Miller,Thompsons,Whitmore,Hendricks,Walker,Black,Wallace

Just going by various mocks. Of course I could be off. Think we'll get some surprises.

[dozo]

Happy with either. Doubt Cason falls so happy with these two

Hawkins athleticism is underrated. He needs to improve his dribbling and get stronger to be a starter. He's instant offense coming off the bench.

Bilal's feel for the game is intriguing to me. Timely cuts to basket and defensive rotations makes believe he has a high basketball IQ. Positive intel about his work ethic and character might make him my clear favorite at 13. (if know one falls out of the top 10)

Bilal is the swing for the fences pick, the kind of pick Masai likes when it's there. Like Giannis, Scottie, etc. He's looking for someone that can move the needle. Bilal looks like he fits the bill, but his young age and the amount of development make him risky, which is why a talent like him may not get picked before 13. Hopefully none of the GM's before hand have enough exposure or the cajones to draft Bilal. Regardless if we take him, I'd prefer he be there; it's weird but I'd rather pass up on him then miss out on him early because of the stupid decisions this deadline.

I hear you. He might not produce during his rookie contract and ended up being a 3D player. Selecing him in the 20's as a draft and stash prospects a la the Spurs reduces the risk. Moving to a new continent and learning the language should be viewed as hurdles that can slow his development. I'm still confident that mgmt will make the correct selection.

[DG88]

Even though the chances of this are very slim the Athletic did a mock the top 5 and using Tankathon the Raptors miraculously moved up

3. Toronto Raptors: Brandon Miller | 6-9 wing | 20 years old | Alabama
The most consistent organization in the Eastern Conference continues to roll. That’s 10 straight years the Raptors have either made the playoffs or moved up in the lottery. Beat that, Celtics, Bucks and Heat! The Raptors would obviously need to do a lot of due diligence on this pick, the scope of which cannot be fully encapsulated in a blurb like this one. Assuming the Raptors are ultimately OK with Miller, he makes the most sense. Sure, he’s another 6-foot-9 wing, but Miller comes in with a proven jumper. The other consideration, Amen Thompson, seems like he would clash with Pascal Siakam and Scottie Barnes. Miller starts off as a floor-spacer with some more juice and slowly takes a bigger playmaking role as the reps become available in Toronto.

(Low key, the Raptors might engage in some light discussions with Washington for the No. 2 pick and Henderson.) — Eric Koreen

https://theathletic.com/4445237/2023/04/25/nba-draft-wembanyama-henderson-spurs-wizards-raptors/?source=nbatw

[Dalek]

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A nice portion of list consists of 2nd round UD free agents. If Julian Strawther falls into 2nd round I would consider trading for him. Mike Miles Jr, Ben Sheppard, and D'moi Hodge could help with the raptos guard depth

Other prospects I would like to sign as UD free agents.
DeVries
Lundy
Wong
Bates

This Podziemski guy seems like he should be way higher than his projected 2nd round status..... what am I missing with this guy?

Sure he'll be hunted on defense, but he looks like he can rebound the ball and actually knows what to do with the basketball other than trying to score.

Cason Wallace, the frenchmen, and now Podziemski are my top choices now.

He's a weird one because to me he is a bit like Tyler Herro, a scoring PG. Problem is his size and athleticism may not make him a viable combo guard. If he can defend and rbeound a bit, then you could see an Austin Reaves type of career.

Podz could end up a lotto, but I think the concern with defense is real, also he is not great athlete and I notice on his shot creation he doesn't generate much separation and the elevation on this shots is just average. I think he will need to do workouts to convince people.

[Mark_83]

https://theathletic.com/4445237/2023/04/25/nba-draft-wembanyama-henderson-spurs-wizards-raptors/

This might be the dreamiest of dream scenarios for Toronto (short of getting Wemb). The Athletic has Toronto moving way up in the lottery to take sharp-shooter Brandon Miller.

3. Toronto Raptors: Brandon Miller | 6-9 wing | 20 years old | Alabama

The most consistent organization in the Eastern Conference continues to roll. That’s 10 straight years the Raptors have either made the playoffs or moved up in the lottery. Beat that, Celtics, Bucks and Heat! The Raptors would obviously need to do a lot of due diligence on this pick, the scope of which cannot be fully encapsulated in a blurb like this one. Assuming the Raptors are ultimately OK with Miller, he makes the most sense. Sure, he’s another 6-foot-9 wing, but Miller comes in with a proven jumper. The other consideration, Amen Thompson, seems like he would clash with Pascal Siakam and Scottie Barnes. Miller starts off as a floor-spacer with some more juice and slowly takes a bigger playmaking role as the reps become available in Toronto.

(Low key, the Raptors might engage in some light discussions with Washington for the No. 2 pick and Henderson.) — Eric Koreen

[bboyskinnylegs]

Even though the chances of this are very slim the Athletic dick a mock the top 5 and using Tankathon the Raptors miraculously moved up

3. Toronto Raptors: Brandon Miller | 6-9 wing | 20 years old | Alabama
The most consistent organization in the Eastern Conference continues to roll. That’s 10 straight years the Raptors have either made the playoffs or moved up in the lottery. Beat that, Celtics, Bucks and Heat! The Raptors would obviously need to do a lot of due diligence on this pick, the scope of which cannot be fully encapsulated in a blurb like this one. Assuming the Raptors are ultimately OK with Miller, he makes the most sense. Sure, he’s another 6-foot-9 wing, but Miller comes in with a proven jumper. The other consideration, Amen Thompson, seems like he would clash with Pascal Siakam and Scottie Barnes. Miller starts off as a floor-spacer with some more juice and slowly takes a bigger playmaking role as the reps become available in Toronto.

(Low key, the Raptors might engage in some light discussions with Washington for the No. 2 pick and Henderson.) — Eric Koreen

https://theathletic.com/4445237/2023/04/25/nba-draft-wembanyama-henderson-spurs-wizards-raptors/?source=nbatw

great, now our luck got used up on the Athletic mock and we'll definitely stay at 13.

[raincityraptors]

Does anyone else see Derozan when watching Brice Sensabaugh?

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Does anyone else see Derozan when watching Brice Sensabaugh?

Derozan had crazy athletcism. If Brice did he'd probably be a top 5 pick

[Mark_83]

Does anyone else see Derozan when watching Brice Sensabaugh?

I made the comparison in terms of his footwork and offensive bag. It also helps you visualize it since he's #10. He's stronger, thicker, and less athletic though. Both suck at defense.

[gha4life]

Does anyone else see Derozan when watching Brice Sensabaugh?

Derozan had crazy athletcism. If Brice did he'd probably be a top 5 pick

Brice to me is a bucket getter like joe johnson,his knees issues with his weight is not a recepie for success

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[Kevin Willis]

Hawkins athleticism is underrated. He needs to improve his dribbling and get stronger to be a starter. He's instant offense coming off the bench.

Bilal's feel for the game is intriguing to me. Timely cuts to basket and defensive rotations makes believe he has a high basketball IQ. Positive intel about his work ethic and character might make him my clear favorite at 13. (if know one falls out of the top 10)

Bilal is the swing for the fences pick, the kind of pick Masai likes when it's there. Like Giannis, Scottie, etc. He's looking for someone that can move the needle. Bilal looks like he fits the bill, but his young age and the amount of development make him risky, which is why a talent like him may not get picked before 13. Hopefully none of the GM's before hand have enough exposure or the cajones to draft Bilal. Regardless if we take him, I'd prefer he be there; it's weird but I'd rather pass up on him then miss out on him early because of the stupid decisions this deadline.

I hear you. He might not produce during his rookie contract and ended up being a 3D player. Selecing him in the 20's as a draft and stash prospects a la the Spurs reduces the risk. Moving to a new continent and learning the language should be viewed as hurdles that can slow his development. I'm still confident that mgmt will make the correct selection.

. Bilal is further along than people think. He speaks French, he doesn't need to adjust that much. He's very mature and things he belongs here. His defense is good enough to play as part of the rotation right now. I would bring him over and treat him similar to Barmes.

[NotMyKawhi]

cason wallace has better advanced stats than scoot

[WuTang_CMB]

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[S ID]

For you Coulibaly lovers; every shot attempt, rebound, steal, TO, etc.

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[DreamTeam09]

If Hawkins has bounce then he's my pick.

[Loso04]

If Hawkins has bounce then he's my pick.

What are your thoughts on Maxwell Lewis and Dariq Whitehead?

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