2023 Draft Discussion Part 5

Ell Curry · Post #141 » by **Ell Curry** » Thu May 18, 2023 4:19 pm

Rozier and #27 for #13, Boucher and Thad would probably anger everyone here, but if Masai is dead set on winning 50 next year, that's a team with no really bad minutes if we keep everyone:

Poeltl 28 - Koloko 12 - Achiuwa 8
Siakam 34 -OPJ/Achiuwa 10 - Barnes 4
Barnes 30 - OG 18
OG 16 - Trent 26 - Rozier 6
VanVleet 32 - Rozier 16

and BPA at 27, though you'd figure a wing/forward looking at that.

HumbleRen · Post #142 » by **HumbleRen** » Thu May 18, 2023 4:19 pm

JShuttlesworth wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
JShuttlesworth wrote:I don't know if everyone saw this:
https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?SeasonYear=2023

He are the measurements from the combine -- This is always interesting to me, you see the guys whose height was over started

- Cason Wallace, 6'2.5" (listed at 6'4)
- Jordan Hawkins 6'4.25" (listed at 6'5)
- Cam Whitmore 6'5.75" (listed at 6'7)
- Anthony Black 6'5.75" (listed at 6'7)
- Gradey Dick 6'6.25" (listed at 6'7)

No measurements on Nick Smith Jr, Keyonte George just yet, but as per usual people are a lot of players over starting their height by as much as an inch and a half

Jarace Walker is 6'6.5" with a 7'2.5" wingspan though. Sheesh. Rupert also 6'6" with a 7'2" wingspan

Doesn’t listed account for shoes though ?

Like Scottie measured to be 6’7 but he’s listed at 6’8 with shoes.

How thick the soles are on a players shoes is irrelevant to me

I guess so but nobody is calling Scottie 6’7 despite that being his height. :lol:

JShuttlesworth · Post #143 » by **JShuttlesworth** » Thu May 18, 2023 4:20 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
JShuttlesworth wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
Doesn’t listed account for shoes though ?

Like Scottie measured to be 6’7 but he’s listed at 6’8 with shoes.

How thick the soles are on a players shoes is irrelevant to me

I guess so but nobody is calling Scottie 6’7 despite that being his height.

Scottie measured 6'7 barefoot
https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?SeasonYear=2021-22

Unless he's grown that's what he is. Whatever makes the players feel better I guess

Landomar · Post #144 » by **Landomar** » Thu May 18, 2023 4:20 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:I’m just playing devils advocate here, but what does Keyonte George do to separate himself from Gary Trent Jr?

As someone who's not very high on George, I think that reaching Gary Trent's level would be considered a success. Compared to Trent, George seems have a better handle, has a deeper bag of tricks, and looks to pass a lot more. From a stylistic perspective, George reminds me most of Jordan Clarkson. Is Clarkson better than Trent? In my mind, those guys are very comparable, and are best used as microwave scorers off the bench. I think that is George's role in the NBA if he works out.

I realize that George could make me look very silly if he ends up improving a lot, and turns into Devin Booker. Based on the current information I have on him, though, I see that as an extremely unlikely scenario. (To be fair, at the time, I also thought it was extremely unlikely that Devin Booker the prospect would turn into Devin Booker the NBA all-star, so take that for what you will).

Lord_Zedd · Post #145 » by **Lord_Zedd** » Thu May 18, 2023 4:22 pm

Ell Curry wrote:Rozier and #27 for #13, Boucher and Thad would probably anger everyone here, but if Masai is dead set on winning 50 next year, that's a team with no really bad minutes if we keep everyone:

Poeltl 28 - Koloko 12 - Achiuwa 8
Siakam 34 -OPJ/Achiuwa 10 - Barnes 4
Barnes 30 - OG 18
OG 16 - Trent 26 - Rozier 6
VanVleet 32 - Rozier 16

and BPA at 27, though you'd figure a wing/forward looking at that.

Rozier's contract is horrible for the next 4 years. No way I'm including the 13th pick for that

HumbleRen · Post #146 » by **HumbleRen** » Thu May 18, 2023 4:24 pm

For me, when it comes to scouting these guys.

I want players who are able to play at different gears.

Players like Scottie, Bilal, OG, etc play at only one gear so it's really hard to see them scaling up usage to the point where they can be great scorers or great isolation players. It's possible but it'll be hard for them to gain that pace.

Players like Luka, SGA, Donavan Mitchell, Booker etc etc had this amazing ability from the moment they got drafted in being able to play at multiple speeds. They basically look like they're floating out there, moving slow yet everyone else around them trying to defend them looks rushed.

That's what I'm looking for when I'm scouting these guys in our draft range.

Ell Curry · Post #147 » by **Ell Curry** » Thu May 18, 2023 4:25 pm

Lord_Zedd wrote:
Ell Curry wrote:Rozier and #27 for #13, Boucher and Thad would probably anger everyone here, but if Masai is dead set on winning 50 next year, that's a team with no really bad minutes if we keep everyone:

Poeltl 28 - Koloko 12 - Achiuwa 8
Siakam 34 -OPJ/Achiuwa 10 - Barnes 4
Barnes 30 - OG 18
OG 16 - Trent 26 - Rozier 6
VanVleet 32 - Rozier 16

and BPA at 27, though you'd figure a wing/forward looking at that.

Rozier's contract is horrible for the next 4 years. No way I'm including the 13th pick for that

I don't disagree, but it has extremely similar vibes to the Thad and 20 for 33 deal

JShuttlesworth · Post #148 » by **JShuttlesworth** » Thu May 18, 2023 4:25 pm

Just noticed Keyontae Johnson has 8 inches of plus wingspan compared to his height (6'4" vs 7'0")

Jordan Walsh also had a very impressive wingspan at 7"1.75"

dozo · Post #149 » by **dozo** » Thu May 18, 2023 4:31 pm

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Dalek · Post #150 » by **Dalek** » Thu May 18, 2023 4:38 pm

I have felt this way with LaMelo in his draft year when a lot of people here were skeptical, but Toronto should target Amen Thompson.
He would be the best hope to turn this franchise around because he play a premium position and could be a focal point for Toronto going forward. When asked who would be the lottery prospect outside the projected top three, Jonathan Givony said:

: Amen Thompson. From a physical standpoint, he might be the most gifted player in the draft -- He measured 6-foot-7 in shoes in Chicago, 214 pounds with a 7-foot wingspan, better dimensions than All-Star Jaylen Brown. He's probably the most explosive athlete in this class. He's big and long enough to guard power forwards, but he has the ballhandling ability, vision and creativity of a point guard. I've seen him practice several times and he's going to blow people away with his sheer talent in a workout setting. I know he's going to get long looks from Portland starting at No. 3, and it wouldn't surprise me if Charlotte kicked the tires on him at No. 2. I actually love the fit of him and Jalen Green together in Houston. He could really spread his wings there and nothing he does would take away from the likes of Alperen Sengun or Jabari Smith.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/37670128/wembanyama-fit-san-antonio-other-post-lottery-storylines

If somehow we can get into the top four, we would have a chance at a player that I think will be a game changer.

Landomar · Post #151 » by **Landomar** » Thu May 18, 2023 4:49 pm

Ell Curry wrote:Rozier and #27 for #13, Boucher and Thad would probably anger everyone here, but if Masai is dead set on winning 50 next year, that's a team with no really bad minutes if we keep everyone:

Poeltl 28 - Koloko 12 - Achiuwa 8
Siakam 34 -OPJ/Achiuwa 10 - Barnes 4
Barnes 30 - OG 18
OG 16 - Trent 26 - Rozier 6
VanVleet 32 - Rozier 16

and BPA at 27, though you'd figure a wing/forward looking at that.

I mean, if Charlotte takes Scoot, and is looking to dump Rozier, I'd take him. Terry Rozier is good. My main concern would be the luxury tax implications going forward. If Trent opts in and we just have him for one year, it would be fine. If he elects to become a UFA, I don't think a big contract extension would make sense.

I'd also want to try to tweak it to Boucher, T.Young, Flynn, and #13 for Rozier, Thor, and #27. Is JT Thor good? Probably not, but he's cool and I'd like to try him out. At #27 I'd draft BPA, and I'll slot in Trayce Jackson-Davis as an example.

Poeltl / Koloko / Jackson-Davis
Siakam / Achiuwa / Thor
Barnes / Porter / Wieskamp
Anunoby / Trent / Banton
VanVleet / Rozier / Dowtin

I'm not sure if that's the best offer that Charlotte could get for Rozier, but it would work for me.

Estimated 2023-2024 Team Salary: $174 million, which is over the 162 million dollar luxury tax line. If Trent leaves as a UFA, and we replace him with a random man, then we'd be around $158 million. Regardless of Trent being still here or not, Siakam and OG's extensions the next year would also put us way over, and I'm not sure if the organization would want to pay the tax for this group.

CoinTossRoss31 · Post #152 » by **CoinTossRoss31** » Thu May 18, 2023 4:55 pm

dozo wrote:

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Dick and Miller going right before our pick would be peak comedy after embracing team mediocre

HumbleRen · Post #153 » by **HumbleRen** » Thu May 18, 2023 5:01 pm

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mademan · Post #154 » by **mademan** » Thu May 18, 2023 5:05 pm

If Rozier could return the 13th, Charlotte would pack his bags for him. Thats just awful value for us

mademan · Post #155 » by **mademan** » Thu May 18, 2023 5:07 pm

I know Miller had an impressive season, and he plays more of a position of need for the Hornets, but i'd still be surprised to see a team pass on Scoot at 2. And even passing on Amen for him would be mildly shocking for me

God Squad · Post #156 » by **God Squad** » Thu May 18, 2023 5:21 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:Great on ball / off ball defender
shot questionable
raps like bigger guards
interviewed him

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He'll likely need a haircut if he's going to seriously improve his shot.

Elfrid effect

WuTang_CMB · Post #157 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Thu May 18, 2023 5:33 pm

God Squad wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:Great on ball / off ball defender
shot questionable
raps like bigger guards
interviewed him

Read on Twitter
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He'll likely need a haircut if he's going to seriously improve his shot.

Elfrid effect

mademan · Post #158 » by **mademan** » Thu May 18, 2023 5:39 pm

OG+13 for 7+Nembhard+27+29 with eyes on Anthony Black at 7.

OakleyDokely · Post #159 » by **OakleyDokely** » Thu May 18, 2023 5:45 pm

HumbleRen wrote:

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DC could be such a huge basketball market and FA draw but ted leonsis has mismanaged basically everything.

WuTang_CMB · Post #160 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Thu May 18, 2023 5:55 pm

mademan wrote:I know Miller had an impressive season, and he plays more of a position of need for the Hornets, but i'd still be surprised to see a team pass on Scoot at 2. And even passing on Amen for him would be mildly shocking for me

I wouldn't be. It's Charlotte and they are clueless