Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6

[dTox]

What's with this obsession of wanting Scottie to be a point guard?

Is this a genuine question? Scottie has played and wanted to play point guard since high school, everyone knows this.

Because he isn't one at the NBA level, last year, Nick literally laughed out loud when a reporter asked that question, rightfully so. The new coach was asked this question, about Scottie becoming this team's lead PG, and he instead answered with "he will have the ball a lot more in his hands", which tells me more than I need to know. He doesn't have the handles, nor is he a good enough shooter to overcome this , and he also can't guard smaller wings, especially PG's.

And this is coming from a guy who has ridiculously high expectations of Scott (see Jason Tatum comparison pic).

We all have issues with Scottie being too passive, putting him at that PG spot will only magnify those issues because he will be compelled to give up the ball more often than not.

[SkywalkerAC]

What's with this obsession of wanting Scottie to be a point guard?

Is this a genuine question? Scottie has played and wanted to play point guard since high school, everyone knows this.

Because he isn't one at the NBA level, last year, Nick literally laughed out loud when a reporter asked that question, rightfully so. The new coach was asked this question, about Scottie becoming this team's lead PG, and he instead answered with "he will have the ball a lot more in his hands", which tells me more than I need to know. He doesn't have the handles, nor is he a good enough shooter to overcome this , and he also can't guard smaller wings, especially PG's.

And this is coming from a guy who has ridiculously high expectations of Scott (see Jason Tatum comparison pic).

We all have issues with Scottie being too passive, putting him at that PG spot will only magnify those issues because he will be compelled to give up the ball more often than not.

So you think Dennis is going to start over Gary? And what does it mean if he doesn’t?

[ItsDanger]

Scottie at PG requires movement, passing even multiple screens. This style is done at college level to compensate for poor shooting. Raps have to take this direction or else team will definitely be mediocre.

A coach like Darko was hired for this very reason.

[dTox]

Is this a genuine question? Scottie has played and wanted to play point guard since high school, everyone knows this.

Because he isn't one at the NBA level, last year, Nick literally laughed out loud when a reporter asked that question, rightfully so. The new coach was asked this question, about Scottie becoming this team's lead PG, and he instead answered with "he will have the ball a lot more in his hands", which tells me more than I need to know. He doesn't have the handles, nor is he a good enough shooter to overcome this , and he also can't guard smaller wings, especially PG's.

And this is coming from a guy who has ridiculously high expectations of Scott (see Jason Tatum comparison pic).

We all have issues with Scottie being too passive, putting him at that PG spot will only magnify those issues because he will be compelled to give up the ball more often than not.

So you think Dennis is going to start over Gary? And what does it mean if he doesn’t?

TBH I have no clue, but if you are putting a gun to my head, I'd lean towards our new coach starting Dennis, especially since we are trying to implement motion offense with more ball movement. I'd wager a starting PG will eventually be traded for, hence this push for Dame and some buzz about Holiday few days ago. Dennis is a stop gap, at least as a starter

[JRoy]

Anthony Randolph program

2” and 15 pounds pure muscle

[SkywalkerAC]

Because he isn't one at the NBA level, last year, Nick literally laughed out loud when a reporter asked that question, rightfully so. The new coach was asked this question, about Scottie becoming this team's lead PG, and he instead answered with "he will have the ball a lot more in his hands", which tells me more than I need to know. He doesn't have the handles, nor is he a good enough shooter to overcome this , and he also can't guard smaller wings, especially PG's.

And this is coming from a guy who has ridiculously high expectations of Scott (see Jason Tatum comparison pic).

We all have issues with Scottie being too passive, putting him at that PG spot will only magnify those issues because he will be compelled to give up the ball more often than not.

So you think Dennis is going to start over Gary? And what does it mean if he doesn’t?

TBH I have no clue, but if you are putting a gun to my head, I'd lean towards our new coach starting Dennis, especially since we are trying to implement motion offense with more ball movement. I'd wager a starting PG will eventually be traded for, hence this push for Dame and some buzz about Holiday few days ago. Dennis is a stop gap, at least as a starter

And if Darko opts for Gary as the starter?

[junot111]

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How does a professional athlete (or anyone) focus on cardio yet gain 9 lbs of muscle?

[dTox]

So you think Dennis is going to start over Gary? And what does it mean if he doesn’t?

TBH I have no clue, but if you are putting a gun to my head, I'd lean towards our new coach starting Dennis, especially since we are trying to implement motion offense with more ball movement. I'd wager a starting PG will eventually be traded for, hence this push for Dame and some buzz about Holiday few days ago. Dennis is a stop gap, at least as a starter

And if Darko opts for Gary as the starter?

Then we one of our forwards being used as a PG, which, isn't ideal, and why this team has been desperate to find a starting PG in the rumor mills

[HumbleRen]

Is this a genuine question? Scottie has played and wanted to play point guard since high school, everyone knows this.

Because he isn't one at the NBA level, last year, Nick literally laughed out loud when a reporter asked that question, rightfully so. The new coach was asked this question, about Scottie becoming this team's lead PG, and he instead answered with "he will have the ball a lot more in his hands", which tells me more than I need to know. He doesn't have the handles, nor is he a good enough shooter to overcome this , and he also can't guard smaller wings, especially PG's.

And this is coming from a guy who has ridiculously high expectations of Scott (see Jason Tatum comparison pic).

We all have issues with Scottie being too passive, putting him at that PG spot will only magnify those issues because he will be compelled to give up the ball more often than not.

So you think Dennis is going to start over Gary? And what does it mean if he doesn’t?

I expect them to start Scottie at PG, it'll look very bad and after a couple of games and they'll pivot to Dennis being the PG.

I love Scottie but being able to pass does not mean you're a PG. If Scottie had handles like Giddey and was able to get his body low to the ground when he dribbles ? Then sure, he can absolutely play PG but he can't.

His best role in the NBA has been being playing a more mobile version of the Sabonis role on the Kings.

Not as the ball handler in PNR's but the screen roller who makes decisions in open space. He averaged 20/7/7 on like 50% shooting during this stretch. His only bright spot of the last season. Then we got Poeltl and we regulated Scottie back to being a role player due to the lack of space.

[Truthrising]

Scottie Barnes is reportedly now 6"11, 240 pounds at the age of 22.

[MessiahUjiri]

Scottie Barnes is reportedly now 6"11, 240 pounds at the age of 22.

I saw this too, and it’s likely exaggerated.

At the NBA combine, Scotties height without shoes was actually 6’7. He plays like 6’8.75 (and that’s rounded up to 6’9) in shoes.

He might have grown an inch or so at 21, but beyond that is unlikely. So he would be 6’8 without shoes, 6’9.75 in shoes.


He is also probably close to 240, but not 240 yet. He was supposedly doing a lot of cardio, so I expect his weight somewhere around 235ish. Last year he came in at 227.

He’s got a wide frame and he’ll definitely cross 240 in a couple of years, but I’m just being practical, he’s still only 22 and likely 6’8 without shoes.

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?sort=STANDING_REACH&dir=1&SeasonYear=2021-22

[Madvillainy2004]

Because he isn't one at the NBA level, last year, Nick literally laughed out loud when a reporter asked that question, rightfully so. The new coach was asked this question, about Scottie becoming this team's lead PG, and he instead answered with "he will have the ball a lot more in his hands", which tells me more than I need to know. He doesn't have the handles, nor is he a good enough shooter to overcome this , and he also can't guard smaller wings, especially PG's.

And this is coming from a guy who has ridiculously high expectations of Scott (see Jason Tatum comparison pic).

We all have issues with Scottie being too passive, putting him at that PG spot will only magnify those issues because he will be compelled to give up the ball more often than not.

So you think Dennis is going to start over Gary? And what does it mean if he doesn’t?

TBH I have no clue, but if you are putting a gun to my head, I'd lean towards our new coach starting Dennis, especially since we are trying to implement motion offense with more ball movement. I'd wager a starting PG will eventually be traded for, hence this push for Dame and some buzz about Holiday few days ago. Dennis is a stop gap, at least as a starter

I think Dennis starts as well but man that spacing is ugly with him in there. 4/5 of your starting 5 are low volume + below average shooters. You have only OG that can hit 3s at a high rate. The spacing is gonna be ugly with that unit.

[OakleyDokely]

The PG position is dead.

It's more about whether Barnes can handle a heavier load in on ball situations in the halfcourt in various actions, like Siakam does or like Sabonis does in Sacramento.

[mtcan]

The PG position is dead.

It's more about whether Barnes can handle a heavier load in on ball situations in the halfcourt in various actions, like Siakam does or like Sabonis does in Sacramento.

Ya...I think Scottie and and Pascal will initiate the offence often. I think Schroeder will come off the bench. I also think that Jak's assists numbers will go up as they will give him the ball at the nail or in the high post and have him find cutters or kick out to open shooters. He averaged almost 3 assists per game last season. Jak's passing is underrated.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[YogurtProducer]

So you think Dennis is going to start over Gary? And what does it mean if he doesn’t?

TBH I have no clue, but if you are putting a gun to my head, I'd lean towards our new coach starting Dennis, especially since we are trying to implement motion offense with more ball movement. I'd wager a starting PG will eventually be traded for, hence this push for Dame and some buzz about Holiday few days ago. Dennis is a stop gap, at least as a starter

I think Dennis starts as well but man that spacing is ugly with him in there. 4/5 of your starting 5 are low volume + below average shooters. You have only OG that can hit 3s at a high rate. The spacing is gonna be ugly with that unit.

On the other hand, we are gonna have some transitionary units which is where I think we are going to see the majority of PG Barnes.

Barnes/GTJ/Dick/OG/Achiwua is a pretty solid 4 out offense with Barnes causing havoc.

[YogurtProducer]

Because he isn't one at the NBA level, last year, Nick literally laughed out loud when a reporter asked that question, rightfully so. The new coach was asked this question, about Scottie becoming this team's lead PG, and he instead answered with "he will have the ball a lot more in his hands", which tells me more than I need to know. He doesn't have the handles, nor is he a good enough shooter to overcome this , and he also can't guard smaller wings, especially PG's.

And this is coming from a guy who has ridiculously high expectations of Scott (see Jason Tatum comparison pic).

We all have issues with Scottie being too passive, putting him at that PG spot will only magnify those issues because he will be compelled to give up the ball more often than not.

So you think Dennis is going to start over Gary? And what does it mean if he doesn’t?

I expect them to start Scottie at PG, it'll look very bad and after a couple of games and they'll pivot to Dennis being the PG.

I love Scottie but being able to pass does not mean you're a PG. If Scottie had handles like Giddey and was able to get his body low to the ground when he dribbles ? Then sure, he can absolutely play PG but he can't.

His best role in the NBA has been being playing a more mobile version of the Sabonis role on the Kings.

Not as the ball handler in PNR's but the screen roller who makes decisions in open space. He averaged 20/7/7 on like 50% shooting during this stretch. His only bright spot of the last season. Then we got Poeltl and we regulated Scottie back to being a role player due to the lack of space.

When did he average 20/7/7?

From what I can tell from the game you posted in your post (Jan 10 vs Charlotte) to the game before Poeltl debuted (Feb 8 vs SA), Scottie averaged 18/8/5 on 48% shooting on 14 shots per night.

[brownbobcat]

Not as the ball handler in PNR's but the screen roller who makes decisions in open space. He averaged 20/7/7 on like 50% shooting during this stretch. His only bright spot of the last season. Then we got Poeltl and we regulated Scottie back to being a role player due to the lack of space.

I definitely agree that people need to focus less on labels and more on plays. Barnes can absolutely thrive on short roll plays like Draymond. The problem, of course, is that the Raptors don't have any PnR ball handler with that degree of gravity. Teams would simply go under the screen and take their chances.

If we look to a lot of the high-post actions that guys like Sabonis & Jokic run, it involves a skillset much deeper than just vision. Both guys have monster back-to-the-basket arsenal and are great screen setters.

[Tha Cynic]

Because he isn't one at the NBA level, last year, Nick literally laughed out loud when a reporter asked that question, rightfully so. The new coach was asked this question, about Scottie becoming this team's lead PG, and he instead answered with "he will have the ball a lot more in his hands", which tells me more than I need to know. He doesn't have the handles, nor is he a good enough shooter to overcome this , and he also can't guard smaller wings, especially PG's.

And this is coming from a guy who has ridiculously high expectations of Scott (see Jason Tatum comparison pic).

We all have issues with Scottie being too passive, putting him at that PG spot will only magnify those issues because he will be compelled to give up the ball more often than not.

So you think Dennis is going to start over Gary? And what does it mean if he doesn’t?

I expect them to start Scottie at PG, it'll look very bad and after a couple of games and they'll pivot to Dennis being the PG.

I love Scottie but being able to pass does not mean you're a PG. If Scottie had handles like Giddey and was able to get his body low to the ground when he dribbles ? Then sure, he can absolutely play PG but he can't.

His best role in the NBA has been being playing a more mobile version of the Sabonis role on the Kings.

Not as the ball handler in PNR's but the screen roller who makes decisions in open space. He averaged 20/7/7 on like 50% shooting during this stretch. His only bright spot of the last season. Then we got Poeltl and we regulated Scottie back to being a role player due to the lack of space.

Just because he played well like this as a raw player does not mean you want to develop him into this type of player. Imo this is limiting him and his potential as a player because you're trying to get him to fit in with a poorly constructed roster. Poeltl can already do this. You want Barnes to work more on his guard skills to expand his game to more than what he was as a 21 year old raw offensive player.

[tsherkin]

How does a professional athlete (or anyone) focus on cardio yet gain 9 lbs of muscle?

Steroids, I imagine. Steroids and exaggeration. Water weight at the time of measurement, plus he'd just eaten a huge meal, who knows?

Scottie Barnes is reportedly now 6"11, 240 pounds at the age of 22.

There is no way that height is accurate. Good old offseason nonsense.