Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV)

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If the draft is that bad…imo still early on that…then I guess get it over with. Wasn’t paying attention at the time, did the fanbase freak at the Poetl trade or were we well supplied in Kool-Aid?

A large portion of us called it a terribly stupid move. Yet a more vocal portion kept up the "Trust in masai" crap. Hell, there are still people defending it to this day.

[dTox]

If the draft is that bad…imo still early on that…then I guess get it over with. Wasn’t paying attention at the time, did the fanbase freak at the Poetl trade or were we well supplied in Kool-Aid?

I'd say more often than not, fans weren't happy with this move (realigm fans). There were (and still are) coolaid drinkers who think trading a top 6 pick on a talent devoid team was well worth it for a league average C

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If the draft is that bad…imo still early on that…then I guess get it over with. Wasn’t paying attention at the time, did the fanbase freak at the Poetl trade or were we well supplied in Kool-Aid?

I'd say more often than not, fans weren't happy with this move (realigm fans). There were (and still are) coolaid drinkers who think trading a top 6 pick on a talent devoid team was well worth it for a league average C

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Top 6 protected pick from a lotto team. It gets even worse with context lol.

[TrustFundBaby]

The situation with the pick is what it is, it shouldn't factor in our moves going forward. I actually prefer it conveys this year in a weaker draft so we can grab some talent next year

Pascal and OG are drawing interest from multiple teams, with IND/ATL being reported to be heavily interested. No doubt other teams are inquiring as well.

What makes me more confident a deal could happen is that we were reportedly interested in Mathurin in the 2021 draft. I and some other posters here were down for Sharpe/Mathurin but I get the sense MU wasn't interested in Sharpe and might've pulled the trigger if Mathurin was much more likely to slide past 6. This is his chance to acquire the talent he couldn't back then. I would prioritize IND's current youth over their picks, since they're likely to be good now that they have a superstar. M

As for Siakam, I am not a fan of dealing with Atlanta because of the low ceiling prospects being offered to us, but the only other idea I've seen discussed here has been for Kuminga who isn't showing much and this is year 3. Hopefully another team comes into the picture but he should still be dealt.

Sadly Schroeder/Poeltl are also poor fits with Scottie and it would still be incredibly ugly basketball if they are retained, but dealing 4/5 starters seems way too drastic for Masai and I can't see that happening.

[Raps in 4]

We can still have a pick, or even picks, in this draft. We just need to, you know, trade Pascal and OG before they walk in the off-season. Hell, I'd look into trading Yak, too (we won't find anyone dumb enough to trade a top-6 protected pick for him though).

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[Jerry Lucas]

We’re only two games out of the 6th lottery slot and 2.5 games out of the 4th. Memphis will get better once Ja comes back and they get healthy, if we trade both Pascal and OG we can make our way to the bottom 4-6th slot. Keep the tank alive

Memphis is the team in the bottom 7 I think will pass us so there was no need for you to bring them up really. In terms of the other 6 teams (Portland/Charlotte/Wizards/Spurs/Jazz/Pistons), they all have team net ratings of -7 or lower. The Raptors net rating on the season is only -1.9. It would be extremely hard for the Raptors to out tank teams that are already -7 or worse every 100 possessions with no clear path to improvement like Memphis getting Ja back, even if the Raptors try to execute a major teardown.

We’re closing the gap on CHA. They’ve gotten better since Bridges has been back. Remove OG from our team and the only player with a positive plus minus is Boucher.

The only teams truly out of reach are SAS, DET, WAS and POR.

Not that we should be trying to keep our pick this year. We might rather need it in 2025 depending on what happens with Siakam and OG.

Even if I accept your point about CHA, you forgot to mention Utah so I'm going to guess since they're forgettable enough not to mention I'm going to make them team #5 out of reach. If the Raptors were to finish with the 6th worst record in the league they would still have a 54% chance of falling outside the top 6 post draft lottery.

I want to see the team sell pieces like Siakam+Trent+Schroder, and keep OG to re-sign him. If the team decides to keep Siakam for some reason though (this is not what I want to see happen), then for salary and fit reasons OG and Yak would both have to be traded instead. From there I just want things to play out naturally around Scottie instead of seeing a forced tank job just for a 54% chance of giving pick 7-9 to the Spurs anyway.

[TheGeneral99]

If this team is something like 12-20 or 13-19 in the next 10 games or so I will be on board team tank.

[ConSarnit]

Memphis is the team in the bottom 7 I think will pass us so there was no need for you to bring them up really. In terms of the other 6 teams (Portland/Charlotte/Wizards/Spurs/Jazz/Pistons), they all have team net ratings of -7 or lower. The Raptors net rating on the season is only -1.9. It would be extremely hard for the Raptors to out tank teams that are already -7 or worse every 100 possessions with no clear path to improvement like Memphis getting Ja back, even if the Raptors try to execute a major teardown.

We’re closing the gap on CHA. They’ve gotten better since Bridges has been back. Remove OG from our team and the only player with a positive plus minus is Boucher.

The only teams truly out of reach are SAS, DET, WAS and POR.

Not that we should be trying to keep our pick this year. We might rather need it in 2025 depending on what happens with Siakam and OG.

Even if I accept your point about CHA, you forgot to mention Utah so I'm going to guess since they're forgettable enough not to mention I'm going to make them team #5 out of reach. If the Raptors were to finish with the 6th worst record in the league they would still have a 54% chance of falling outside the top 6 post draft lottery.

I want to see the team sell pieces like Siakam+Trent+Schroder, and keep OG to re-sign him. If the team decides to keep Siakam for some reason though (this is not what I want to see happen), then for salary and fit reasons OG and Yak would both have to be traded instead. From there I just want things to play out naturally around Scottie instead of seeing a forced tank job just for a 54% chance of giving pick 7-9 to the Spurs anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think we will catch the dregs of the league. I just think if we trade away 1-2 of our top guys we'll be right in the UTA and CHA tier. I'd rather we finish 9th and give up our pick just to extinguish our debt. In some ways keeping the 5th or 6th pick would be worst case scenario. This draft is supposedly weak and we'd still be in no mans land next year where tanking is again risky because of the top-6 protections.

I'm of the mindset that if you trade 1 of Siakam/OG you probably need to trade them both. There's little point in having OG on a rebuilding team, especially at a salary where I believe he wouldn't be positive value (anything above $32m/year). I can see wanting to keep him but OG seems like a prime candidate to get overpaid this off-season. It's a really tough spot imo. Is OG worth more as an expiring on a low salary or locked in for 4 years on an overpay? I don't really know.

Eat the loss of the pick this year and sell anyone outside of Barnes if the offer is there. Rebuild year in 2025 with Barnes, our own picks and surplus assets from trades. As it stands we are sitting in the worst place a team can be: out of the playoffs but not bad enough to get a top 5 pick.

[Scase]

If this team is something like 12-20 or 13-19 in the next 10 games or so I will be on board team tank.

After my car has already gone off the cliff, I will most certainly hit the brake pedal.

[HumbleRen]

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[TRik]

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Keerthika has done the assessing for you Masai.

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[MiamiSPX]

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So much for the argument that the starting unit is elite.

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So much for the argument that the starting unit is elite.

It's almost like all those people defending this roster and the FO have no argument anymore. Weird, I can't seem to find them anymore, where could they be?

[YogurtProducer]

If this team is something like 12-20 or 13-19 in the next 10 games or so I will be on board team tank.

After my car has already gone off the cliff, I will most certainly hit the brake pedal.

Bruh you have been calling for a tank every year of this teams existence since you made an account

Funyn enough - you disappeared in 2017. Hmmmm

[pingpongrac]

If this team is something like 12-20 or 13-19 in the next 10 games or so I will be on board team tank.

I think that is the likely outcome. This team has given me no confidence in their ability to win against teams that they should probably beat (upcoming games against the Hawks x2, Hornets and Jazz) while they also play a lot of good teams (Knicks, Nuggets, Sixers and Celtics). That only leaves the Wizards (first game back after Christmas break) and Pistons (2nd night of a B2B) with both of those matchups coming on the road where we haven't been good. We could realistically go 2-8 or 3-7 in the next 10 games then the schedule gets brutal again (vs CLE, @ MEM, @SAC, @ GSW, @LAL, @LAC, @UTA, vs BOS).

20/21 was a bad season, but we got absolutely demolished by COVID absences and we were already at a disadvantage having to play home games in Tampa. 21/22 was a fun season where we blew away expectations and got a bit of playoff experience for Scottie. 22/23 was an annoying year, but two of our top players underperformed for a large chunk of it and we wound up .500. This season has just been awful aside from a handful of games and it has led to me being the most dejected about the Raptors since the early 2010s lol.

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If this team is something like 12-20 or 13-19 in the next 10 games or so I will be on board team tank.

After my car has already gone off the cliff, I will most certainly hit the brake pedal.

Bruh you have been calling for a tank every year of this teams existence since you made an account

Funyn enough - you disappeared in 2017. Hmmmm

Keep defending the FO chief, seems to be working out so far.

[YogurtProducer]

20/21 was a bad season, but we got absolutely demolished by COVID absences and we were already at a disadvantage having to play home games in Tampa. 21/22 was a fun season where we blew away expectations and got a bit of playoff experience for Scottie. 22/23 was an annoying year, but two of our top players underperformed for a large chunk of it and we wound up .500. This season has just been awful aside from a handful of games and it has led to me being the most dejected about the Raptors since the early 2010s lol.

Pretty much this. Everything has just fallen off a cliff this year, probably because we no longer have an elite coach who can hide some deficiencies.

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