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Post#141 » by BetterCallSaul » Fri Feb 2, 2024 10:12 pm

ciueli wrote:Pascal's latest game is part of why I wanted to move on from him for years. An undermanned Knicks team and he puts up 18 points on 19 shots, the Knicks used Precious as the primary defender on Pascal when I was watching this, so it's not like he was being guarded by an incredible defensive stopper. Rebounding has always been a bit of a soft spot for Pascal, in this game he had 7 rebounds and Precious had 16. In 2022-23 Pascal was leading the league in minutes per game but still averaging under 8 RPG, that's poor for a star level big man.


Pascal isn't supposed to be the #1 guy on an elite team. He's supposed to be Halli's #2 guy. And when Halliburton is out, Pascal is supposed to keep them afloat with solid wins. Which he has done.

But yes, I also wanted us to move on from him. Doesn't mean Pacers should be disappointed with him.
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Post#142 » by ciueli » Fri Feb 2, 2024 10:31 pm

lobosloboslobos wrote:
ciueli wrote:Pascal's latest game is part of why I wanted to move on from him for years. An undermanned Knicks team and he puts up 18 points on 19 shots, the Knicks used Precious as the primary defender on Pascal when I was watching this, so it's not like he was being guarded by an incredible defensive stopper. Rebounding has always been a bit of a soft spot for Pascal, in this game he had 7 rebounds and Precious had 16. In 2022-23 Pascal was leading the league in minutes per game but still averaging under 8 RPG, that's poor for a star level big man.


yeah he was terrific in the wins over Philly and Phoenix but with the game on the line last night he was pretty bad. nobody succeeds all the time though...


They've played Phoenix twice since the trade and in the first game he had 15 points on 14 shots in a loss, his overall numbers look good, but he's still getting some bad games in, not the kind of player it made any sense for us to give a max contract to as he moves into his 30s.
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Post#143 » by WaltFrazier » Sat Feb 3, 2024 12:55 am

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Sad and nostalgic. Two great talents, great friends and teammates. A special pair the Raps couldn't make work. After the OG trade Pascal said, he's an incredible human being. Two great Raptors
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Post#145 » by Johnny Bball » Tue Feb 6, 2024 1:06 pm

Paul Reed was also “under the weather” for a second straight game, Sixers head coach Nick Nurse said pregame. Reed again started in Embiid’s place and posted two points and six rebounds in 22 minutes.


Nurse almost has Reed playing like Siakam as he predicted, minus all the offensive talent and skills.

https://sports.yahoo.com/3-observations-sixers-lose-mavs-022834410.html
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Post#146 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Feb 6, 2024 2:14 pm

Crazy to see it took under a month for OG to make his typical 5-6 game absence.
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Post#147 » by lobosloboslobos » Tue Feb 6, 2024 7:41 pm

Great article on OG's impact in NY.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/39445538/how-defensive-ace-og-anunoby-turbo-charged-new-york-knicks-offense

Some pretty wild stuff...

The metrics are nothing short of staggering. He's limiting opponents to a league-low 36.7 shooting percentage (on a minimum of 125 shots defended) and surrendering just 0.89 points to opposing players per direct touch, the NBA's best rate among stoppers who've defended at least 600 touches in the past month, according to Second Spectrum.


Plugging Anunoby, a righty, next to Brunson and Randle has electrified the Knicks, with the club scoring a blistering 128.5 points per 100 possessions -- a rate that would be the NBA's best by far -- and outscoring opponents by 24.5 points per 100 (or by 154 points in a mere 285 minutes together).

Put another way: One month after the trade, swapping Anunoby in for Barrett has yielded a staggering 25-point swing for the Knicks every 100 times down the floor.


The Knicks gave up a gargantuan 124.4 points per game in December, prior to the trade.

They cut that mark by nearly a quarter in January, allowing just 100 per game -- marking the NBA's largest improvement in points-per-game allowed in a month, per ESPN's Stats & Information.

Parse it differently and the outcome is still the same: New York had the league's worst defense in December, hemorrhaging an NBA-high 123.6 points per 100 possessions. With Anunoby in the lineup in January, though, the Knicks limited opponents to a league-best 104.4 points per 100 possessions.


It'd be easy enough to parse the team's ridiculous numbers -- the club's best combined margin of victory in a month since their first title season in 1970, Anunoby's historic plus-minus of plus-252 and what that portends early on -- and immediately put New York in the same sentence with other title contenders.
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Post#148 » by Johnny Bball » Wed Feb 7, 2024 9:11 pm

https://www.blogto.com/city/2024/02/dundas-square-renaming/

Tate argues that, regardless of the proposed name's origin, Mayor Chow and local councillor Chris Moise "deprived the city of broad input into the renaming of Yonge-Dundas Square," and called on commenters to participate in "a little thought experiment" to suggest names that all sides can agree on.

Tate tells blogTO that he understands that the public needs a solution people can unite behind. He explains he's been "conducting a thought experiment about what more appropriate names would be such as Jackie Shane Square or Gordon Lightfoot Square," as well as a possible nod to a Raptors legend in "Kyle Lowry Square."


I vote yes, lol.
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Post#149 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Wed Feb 7, 2024 11:26 pm

lobosloboslobos wrote:Great article on OG's impact in NY.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/39445538/how-defensive-ace-og-anunoby-turbo-charged-new-york-knicks-offense

Some pretty wild stuff...

The metrics are nothing short of staggering. He's limiting opponents to a league-low 36.7 shooting percentage (on a minimum of 125 shots defended) and surrendering just 0.89 points to opposing players per direct touch, the NBA's best rate among stoppers who've defended at least 600 touches in the past month, according to Second Spectrum.


Plugging Anunoby, a righty, next to Brunson and Randle has electrified the Knicks, with the club scoring a blistering 128.5 points per 100 possessions -- a rate that would be the NBA's best by far -- and outscoring opponents by 24.5 points per 100 (or by 154 points in a mere 285 minutes together).

Put another way: One month after the trade, swapping Anunoby in for Barrett has yielded a staggering 25-point swing for the Knicks every 100 times down the floor.


The Knicks gave up a gargantuan 124.4 points per game in December, prior to the trade.

They cut that mark by nearly a quarter in January, allowing just 100 per game -- marking the NBA's largest improvement in points-per-game allowed in a month, per ESPN's Stats & Information.

Parse it differently and the outcome is still the same: New York had the league's worst defense in December, hemorrhaging an NBA-high 123.6 points per 100 possessions. With Anunoby in the lineup in January, though, the Knicks limited opponents to a league-best 104.4 points per 100 possessions.


It'd be easy enough to parse the team's ridiculous numbers -- the club's best combined margin of victory in a month since their first title season in 1970, Anunoby's historic plus-minus of plus-252 and what that portends early on -- and immediately put New York in the same sentence with other title contenders.

offer him the max
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Post#150 » by WaltFrazier » Thu Feb 8, 2024 12:15 am

AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:Great article on OG's impact in NY.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/39445538/how-defensive-ace-og-anunoby-turbo-charged-new-york-knicks-offense

Some pretty wild stuff...

The metrics are nothing short of staggering. He's limiting opponents to a league-low 36.7 shooting percentage (on a minimum of 125 shots defended) and surrendering just 0.89 points to opposing players per direct touch, the NBA's best rate among stoppers who've defended at least 600 touches in the past month, according to Second Spectrum.


Plugging Anunoby, a righty, next to Brunson and Randle has electrified the Knicks, with the club scoring a blistering 128.5 points per 100 possessions -- a rate that would be the NBA's best by far -- and outscoring opponents by 24.5 points per 100 (or by 154 points in a mere 285 minutes together).

Put another way: One month after the trade, swapping Anunoby in for Barrett has yielded a staggering 25-point swing for the Knicks every 100 times down the floor.


The Knicks gave up a gargantuan 124.4 points per game in December, prior to the trade.

They cut that mark by nearly a quarter in January, allowing just 100 per game -- marking the NBA's largest improvement in points-per-game allowed in a month, per ESPN's Stats & Information.

Parse it differently and the outcome is still the same: New York had the league's worst defense in December, hemorrhaging an NBA-high 123.6 points per 100 possessions. With Anunoby in the lineup in January, though, the Knicks limited opponents to a league-best 104.4 points per 100 possessions.


It'd be easy enough to parse the team's ridiculous numbers -- the club's best combined margin of victory in a month since their first title season in 1970, Anunoby's historic plus-minus of plus-252 and what that portends early on -- and immediately put New York in the same sentence with other title contenders.

offer him the max

Staggering impact yes, I was so enjoying him play on a winning team. But now the news comes down his elbow inflammation is now labeled a bone spur problem. I am so down, like the wind knocked out of me.
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Post#151 » by lobosloboslobos » Thu Feb 8, 2024 1:58 am

what does the bone spur mean?
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Post#152 » by brownbobcat » Fri Feb 9, 2024 12:06 am

AkelaLoneWolf wrote:offer him the max

Do it just so NYK has to max him too.
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Post#153 » by StopitLeo » Fri Feb 9, 2024 3:21 pm

lobosloboslobos wrote:what does the bone spur mean?


That we were fortunate the Knicks deal came together. Clearly they would have been aware of the issue and potential treatments, including minor surgery, but were still interested enough to make the trade. I’m not sure other teams would have been since an IQ-RJ package was already more than most would have thought we could get player-wise.
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Post#154 » by WaltFrazier » Fri Feb 9, 2024 7:05 pm

lobosloboslobos wrote:what does the bone spur mean?

My understanding is it's a simple fix and the elbow will be fine, although off season has been the preferred time to do the surgery with other players.
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Post#155 » by WaltFrazier » Fri Feb 9, 2024 7:07 pm

I hope Dalano Banton gets a good chance to play well in Portland. They have guards with injuries.
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Post#156 » by tecumseh18 » Sat Feb 10, 2024 4:26 pm

lobosloboslobos wrote:Great article on OG's impact in NY.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/39445538/how-defensive-ace-og-anunoby-turbo-charged-new-york-knicks-offense

Some pretty wild stuff...


It will always be a mystery to me how a team with OG, Pascal, Fred, Scottie and Poeltl and coached by Nick Nurse couldn't be, y'know, really good. Although seemingly more talented than the 2019-2020 Raps that had the 2nd best record overall, they finished at .500 last year. But even then they were lucky with opposing team's injuries - e.g. the doubleheader against the Greenboro Hornets where Fred racked up his 20-20 (can't believe they mentioned that in the tribute video).

Ultimately, I blame MLSE (and/or Ed Rogers) for not believing in those players enough to be willing to go into the tax to give them a bench. Look at how much the Sixers and Celtics are spending. I understand the usual formula is to have the core show their worth before spending exorbitant amounts. But we're in Canada, and we need to spend more to stay even with the rest of the league.
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Post#157 » by lobosloboslobos » Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:44 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:Great article on OG's impact in NY.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/39445538/how-defensive-ace-og-anunoby-turbo-charged-new-york-knicks-offense

Some pretty wild stuff...


It will always be a mystery to me how a team with OG, Pascal, Fred, Scottie and Poeltl and coached by Nick Nurse couldn't be, y'know, really good. Although seemingly more talented than the 2019-2020 Raps that had the 2nd best record overall, they finished at .500 last year. But even then they were lucky with opposing team's injuries - e.g. the doubleheader against the Greenboro Hornets where Fred racked up his 20-20 (can't believe they mentioned that in the tribute video).

Ultimately, I blame MLSE (and/or Ed Rogers) for not believing in those players enough to be willing to go into the tax to give them a bench. Look at how much the Sixers and Celtics are spending. I understand the usual formula is to have the core show their worth before spending exorbitant amounts. But we're in Canada, and we need to spend more to stay even with the rest of the league.


Yeah, for all the b*tching about Masai there was every reason to believe that our core could and would contend in its prime. Until of course it couldn't, and then there wasn't. I doubt that even Masai could explain exactly what went wrong, much less all the confident haters on this board who profess to have known everything years ago. The reality is we had some really good players, some young talent, a great coach, a winning culture, and it didn't amount to much of anything in the end. To me the one (or two actually) great tragedies that kept us from our dynastic destiny is that Masai's two greatest gambits - keeping Kawhi and signing Giannis – both failed, despite him putting us in a great position to succeed with each, and doing everything possible to make it happen. One or both of those were the true keys to his grand plan, and although nabbing kawhi briefly landed us one title, the failure of either to join us was our ultimate downfall, leaving us with less than the sum of our parts. Oh well. It was a helluva ride.

Now we're lining up for a whole new adventure. Likely to be a rough one, like most in pro sports.

but also, yeah, screw ed rogers.
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Post#158 » by djsunyc » Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:47 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:Great article on OG's impact in NY.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/39445538/how-defensive-ace-og-anunoby-turbo-charged-new-york-knicks-offense

Some pretty wild stuff...


It will always be a mystery to me how a team with OG, Pascal, Fred, Scottie and Poeltl and coached by Nick Nurse couldn't be, y'know, really good. Although seemingly more talented than the 2019-2020 Raps that had the 2nd best record overall, they finished at .500 last year. But even then they were lucky with opposing team's injuries - e.g. the doubleheader against the Greenboro Hornets where Fred racked up his 20-20 (can't believe they mentioned that in the tribute video).

Ultimately, I blame MLSE (and/or Ed Rogers) for not believing in those players enough to be willing to go into the tax to give them a bench. Look at how much the Sixers and Celtics are spending. I understand the usual formula is to have the core show their worth before spending exorbitant amounts. But we're in Canada, and we need to spend more to stay even with the rest of the league.


the ny knicks work b/c brunson is playing like an mvp candidate.
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Post#159 » by tecumseh18 » Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:11 pm

lobosloboslobos wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:Great article on OG's impact in NY.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/39445538/how-defensive-ace-og-anunoby-turbo-charged-new-york-knicks-offense

Some pretty wild stuff...


It will always be a mystery to me how a team with OG, Pascal, Fred, Scottie and Poeltl and coached by Nick Nurse couldn't be, y'know, really good. Although seemingly more talented than the 2019-2020 Raps that had the 2nd best record overall, they finished at .500 last year. But even then they were lucky with opposing team's injuries - e.g. the doubleheader against the Greenboro Hornets where Fred racked up his 20-20 (can't believe they mentioned that in the tribute video).

Ultimately, I blame MLSE (and/or Ed Rogers) for not believing in those players enough to be willing to go into the tax to give them a bench. Look at how much the Sixers and Celtics are spending. I understand the usual formula is to have the core show their worth before spending exorbitant amounts. But we're in Canada, and we need to spend more to stay even with the rest of the league.


Yeah, for all the b*tching about Masai there was every reason to believe that our core could and would contend in its prime. Until of course it couldn't, and then there wasn't. I doubt that even Masai could explain exactly what went wrong, much less all the confident haters on this board who profess to have known everything years ago. The reality is we had some really good players, some young talent, a great coach, a winning culture, and it didn't amount to much of anything in the end. To me the one (or two actually) great tragedies that kept us from our dynastic destiny is that Masai's two greatest gambits - keeping Kawhi and signing Giannis – both failed, despite him putting us in a great position to succeed with each, and doing everything possible to make it happen. One or both of those were the true keys to his grand plan, and although nabbing kawhi briefly landed us one title, the failure of either to join us was our ultimate downfall, leaving us with less than the sum of our parts. Oh well. It was a helluva ride.

Now we're lining up for a whole new adventure. Likely to be a rough one, like most in pro sports.

but also, yeah, screw ed rogers.


As an inveterate optimist, I'm completely happy with this "new adventure". Paying Pascal 50-60 mill/yr for the next four or five years was never on my wish list.

But I'm sure Masai has another "gambit" up his sleeve. He offered Pascal only a 3-year deal ending in 2027, when coincidentally RJ's and Jak's deals end. Our 2027 salary commitments as of now will be Scottie, IQ (unless he accepts a three-year deal) and whatever mid round rookie contract deals we'll have (including Gradey). That should leave max space open for a 2027 UFA. Whoever could it be?
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Post#160 » by WaltFrazier » Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:12 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:Great article on OG's impact in NY.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/39445538/how-defensive-ace-og-anunoby-turbo-charged-new-york-knicks-offense

Some pretty wild stuff...


It will always be a mystery to me how a team with OG, Pascal, Fred, Scottie and Poeltl and coached by Nick Nurse couldn't be, y'know, really good. Although seemingly more talented than the 2019-2020 Raps that had the 2nd best record overall, they finished at .500 last year. But even then they were lucky with opposing team's injuries - e.g. the doubleheader against the Greenboro Hornets where Fred racked up his 20-20 (can't believe they mentioned that in the tribute video).

Ultimately, I blame MLSE (and/or Ed Rogers) for not believing in those players enough to be willing to go into the tax to give them a bench. Look at how much the Sixers and Celtics are spending. I understand the usual formula is to have the core show their worth before spending exorbitant amounts. But we're in Canada, and we need to spend more to stay even with the rest of the league.

Yeah it was the bench and poor roster building around those 5 players that was the failure. Blame MLSE maybe as you said, or Masai for a series of bad signings
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