To tank or retool?

[deck]

What free agent is out there that wants to play in Toronto and that will help fill our gaps? Might I remind you that our highest profile FA signing was Hedo Turkoglu or Demarre Carroll (take your pick). Even in our contending seasons (DD + Lowry), our championship season, and the moderately season after that, FAs were not flocking to sign with our team. They still preferred to avoid our team despite our success, the city's reputation as a world class city, and a roster fit for that potential FA signing.

I say tank. Tanking worked for us before and will work for us again. All it takes is patience and the realization that our current team is not one or two pieces away from being a contender -- it is 5 or 6, including missing a star or two.

When has tanking worked for us before?

[Clutch0z24]

What free agent is out there that wants to play in Toronto and that will help fill our gaps? Might I remind you that our highest profile FA signing was Hedo Turkoglu or Demarre Carroll (take your pick). Even in our contending seasons (DD + Lowry), our championship season, and the moderately season after that, FAs were not flocking to sign with our team. They still preferred to avoid our team despite our success, the city's reputation as a world class city, and a roster fit for that potential FA signing.

I say tank. Tanking worked for us before and will work for us again. All it takes is patience and the realization that our current team is not one or two pieces away from being a contender -- it is 5 or 6, including missing a star or two.

When has tanking worked for us before?

[TorontoBarneys]

What free agent is out there that wants to play in Toronto and that will help fill our gaps? Might I remind you that our highest profile FA signing was Hedo Turkoglu or Demarre Carroll (take your pick). Even in our contending seasons (DD + Lowry), our championship season, and the moderately season after that, FAs were not flocking to sign with our team. They still preferred to avoid our team despite our success, the city's reputation as a world class city, and a roster fit for that potential FA signing.

I say tank. Tanking worked for us before and will work for us again. All it takes is patience and the realization that our current team is not one or two pieces away from being a contender -- it is 5 or 6, including missing a star or two.

When has tanking worked for us before?

Gotta love people asking that question when Barnes is literally the only reason we aren't depressed as a fanbase right now and have an actual direction currently.

[SpezNc]

We are not tanking ! Also the organization definitely want more wins than 25 next season . They wants to see improvement in Scottie , Quick, RJ, Dick

They hopes that one of Walter/Mogbo/Shead can have an impact . Not necessarily a big one (their role should be limited in Yr1)

Development will be prioritized over victory

I expect above 30 wins up to below 40 wins

[raptoradical]

Depends on how better you think the team has gotten, and how far you realistically expect us to go. Not sure who can say at this point that we’re not at least at playin.

[TGM]

Tanking is not realistic. If this was after Barnes rookie season or even second season, sure maybe you consider the tank. At this point people wanting a tank means shipping g out Barnes, IQ and Barrett. If not the team will be decent.

Only way a tank happens this season is if two of the 3 guys above go out with a season ending injury early on.

If not, the better thing to do is be opportunistic and add pieces. Ingram if can be had for 50 cents on the dollar you got to give that some thought.

[Shakril]

What free agent is out there that wants to play in Toronto and that will help fill our gaps? Might I remind you that our highest profile FA signing was Hedo Turkoglu or Demarre Carroll (take your pick). Even in our contending seasons (DD + Lowry), our championship season, and the moderately season after that, FAs were not flocking to sign with our team. They still preferred to avoid our team despite our success, the city's reputation as a world class city, and a roster fit for that potential FA signing.

I say tank. Tanking worked for us before and will work for us again. All it takes is patience and the realization that our current team is not one or two pieces away from being a contender -- it is 5 or 6, including missing a star or two.

When has tanking worked for us before?

either cases werent tanks, but examples for beeing a terrible team. The Tampa year was just cursed with a happy ending.

[Clutch0z24]

When has tanking worked for us before?

either cases werent tanks, but examples for beeing a terrible team. The Tampa year was just cursed with a happy ending.

We clearly tanked the Tampa year idk what your talking about....Guys were sitting out with mysterious injuries....And yeah we had bad teams....Just like we will have a bad team this year...Hopefully we have a happy ending with the Drag for Flagg/Race for Ace

[2019nbachamps]

Whatever we choose to call it, this team will be really bad next season. We're looking at 35 wins max if everything clicks. Embrace the process.

[Shakril]

either cases werent tanks, but examples for beeing a terrible team. The Tampa year was just cursed with a happy ending.

We clearly tanked the Tampa year idk what your talking about....Guys were sitting out with mysterious injuries....And yeah we had bad teams....Just like we will have a bad team this year...Hopefully we have a happy ending with the Drag for Flagg/Race for Ace

yes of course. A Roster that had playoffs ambitions was tanking. As the year went bad they pulled the plug as dallas did a year ago, but they clearly tried to win, they just couldnt.

The Roster this year is better than at least 8 other teams. I dont see us outtanking them for the 14% hope to maybe get flagg.

[tecumseh18]

Tanking is not realistic. If this was after Barnes rookie season or even second season, sure maybe you consider the tank. At this point people wanting a tank means shipping g out Barnes, IQ and Barrett. If not the team will be decent.

Only way a tank happens this season is if two of the 3 guys above go out with a season ending injury early on.

If not, the better thing to do is be opportunistic and add pieces. Ingram if can be had for 50 cents on the dollar you got to give that some thought.

I like our core,and this is clearly a better and more dynamic team than the crap I had to witness (live - I had seasons tickets then) from 2010 to 2013.

But, we're temporarily in another superteam era. Celtics, PG on the Sixers, Knicks with OG and Mikal, and OKC with Hartenstein AND Lauri.

Time to develop the kids, trade Jak and Bruce for whatever we can get (ideally more 2025 picks), and try to draft another Scottie in 2025. THEN we can start trying to win.

[Clutch0z24]

either cases werent tanks, but examples for beeing a terrible team. The Tampa year was just cursed with a happy ending.

We clearly tanked the Tampa year idk what your talking about....Guys were sitting out with mysterious injuries....And yeah we had bad teams....Just like we will have a bad team this year...Hopefully we have a happy ending with the Drag for Flagg/Race for Ace

yes of course. A Roster that had playoffs ambitions was tanking. As the year went bad they pulled the plug as dallas did a year ago, but they clearly tried to win, they just couldnt.

The Roster this year is better than at least 8 other teams. I dont see us outtanking them for the 14% hope to maybe get flagg.

Lol we will have "Playoff ambitions" this year? all i been hearing from the coaching staff to the GM is "This will take time" this is a process" we are rebuilding in Toronto" Does that sound like we will have playoff ambitions this year? Some of you need to realize that we are in a totally different direction than what your used to....

Prolly used to the DD/Lowry teams every year that wanted to make deep runs in the playoffs....Well that era is gone now time to realize that....We are a very young team with good young talent that does not mean we are better than 8 teams....We are in the mix of the Hornets/Hawks/Bulls....Does that mean we are better than them teams...Not just yet...

In the West i actually believe All the teams will be better then us except the Blazers...Blazers will have a near identical record to us though so you can clump them into the Hornets/Hawks/Bulls category .....

As i see it right now the only teams worse than us going into the season....Wizards/Pistons/Nets....The rest of the league is pretty unpredictable to decide who we are better than or worse than ....But we are still a lottery team...

And you don't need to just tank for Flagg next year....The 2025 NBA draft class is more than just one player....Thats why its ok if we just have high lottery odds

[Clutch0z24]

Tanking is not realistic. If this was after Barnes rookie season or even second season, sure maybe you consider the tank. At this point people wanting a tank means shipping g out Barnes, IQ and Barrett. If not the team will be decent.

Only way a tank happens this season is if two of the 3 guys above go out with a season ending injury early on.

If not, the better thing to do is be opportunistic and add pieces. Ingram if can be had for 50 cents on the dollar you got to give that some thought.

We don't need to be the worst team in the league to get a high lottery pick next year....The draft odds now have it that any team really has a shot....Even if we try next year we are prolly not making the playoffs or the play ins....Team is young....We added a bunch of kids to the team and you expect them to be a win now team? Its going to take time....

This isn't like the DD/Lowry era....We are ways away....Its like asking the Knicks to be a winning team with Barrett/IQ/Brunson as their big 3 with a bunch of young guys around them that are still learning how to play in the NBA....It sounds silly to me...

IQ/Barrett/Barnes Are a good young core to build around but they are not winning anything just yet...

[earth007]

Lol at people who think this team will be a play-in team next year. We are going to be really bad next year. Just brace yourselves for a sub 30 win season.

[Clutch0z24]

Lol at people who think this team will be a play-in team next year. We are going to be really bad next year. Just brace yourselves for a sub 30 win season.

Yeah...Idk what their rational behind that thought process is....Its not like we added some star or all star this offseason....We literally added nothing but kids who need to learn how to play NBA basketball....Explain how that is going to translate to a 35-40 win team? I swear some people think winning in the NBA is a cake walk.....Prolly spoiled from the DD/Lowry era then the title run clouded everyone....

Its friggin hard to win in the NBA....And to ask a big 3 of Barnes/Barrett/IQ to do it this early prolly won't happen....People need to realize Quickley is not even a finished product right now and needs lots of development....Barnes would need to be Prime LeBron for us to even make the playoffs...

[TheRealDeal]

keep playing the young guys

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[Shakril]

Lol at people who think this team will be a play-in team next year. We are going to be really bad next year. Just brace yourselves for a sub 30 win season.

If you are right, then trade Barnes, IQ and RJ. Cause they are not good enough to build around if they cant even be on 30 win pace. Damn without injuries to Barnes and Poeltl we would have a 30+ year despite all the turmoil during the season.

[Phezmo123]

keep playing the young guys

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I don't care how we get there.

Get a top-3 pick this year.

We're one blue chip prospect away from a future dynasty.

[Clutch0z24]

Lol at people who think this team will be a play-in team next year. We are going to be really bad next year. Just brace yourselves for a sub 30 win season.

If you are right, then trade Barnes, IQ and RJ. Cause they are not good enough to build around if they cant even be on 30 win pace. Damn without injuries to Barnes and Poeltl we would have a 30+ year despite all the turmoil during the season.

Dumb take....You don't trade your best young players cause they don't win you 35-40 games....What part of rebuild do people like you not understand?....We are building up good young talent through the draft....Getting rid of young players who are not ready to compete next year is illogical....You need to have patients and let the water make the grass grow...

Spurs have Wemby/Vassell/Cassell to build around, Would they get rid of Wemby if they don't make the playoffs next year....Ofc not...You need to add to him to rebuild....Same with all the other rebuilding teams in the NBA....We are no different...

Every rebuiling team or bottom feeders have some kind of a player on their team who is young they are holding onto ours is Barnes...We just need to play the draft a little more to add legit talent around him in order for us to get to where you expect us to be next year...Thats it thats all..

[Badonkadonk]

Lol at people who think this team will be a play-in team next year. We are going to be really bad next year. Just brace yourselves for a sub 30 win season.

If you are right, then trade Barnes, IQ and RJ. Cause they are not good enough to build around if they cant even be on 30 win pace. Damn without injuries to Barnes and Poeltl we would have a 30+ year despite all the turmoil during the season.

In the 360 possessions that Scottie, IQ, RJ and Yak played together, they had a net rating of 13.8. That's with nearly zero practice time, obviously no training camp and no familiarity after the trade deadline.

If those guys are healthy, they're easily a play-in team, with upside that is contingent on what Scottie becomes.