Scottie isn't going to be a #1 option superstar in this league

[lobosloboslobos]

How many guys go from not even being a #1 option in high school or college to being a #1 in NBA?

well, among recent champions and Finals MVPs...Kawhi, Giannis and Joker all did.

[Indeed]

This is a needless toxic BS that is missing the point entirely. The point isn't whether Scottie Barnes is a #1 option or not. It's that this team needs at least one more guy that is at or above his level and they need to complement each other. They also need more quality depth obviously. Until that happens, this team will continue to fail whether Barnes is a #1 option or super role player or whatever TF idiots label him. That's the crux of the crossroad this team is at and Ujiri hasn't set it up to succeed, which is why I'm not very optimistic with this core's chances. That's where the focus needs to lie.

The point is probably his worth of the upcoming contract.
Usually you need a dominance force on one end with at least being average on the other end to justify the max contact.

[YogurtProducer]

How many guys go from not even being a #1 option in high school or college to being a #1 in NBA?

well, among recent champions and Finals MVPs...Kawhi, Giannis and Joker all did.

Giannis was still not a #1 option on that team. Crunch time that ball was in Middleton's hands a lot. Giannis is like the perfect example of "best player, not best scorer".

Jokic won MVP of the league he was in prior to jumping to the NBA.

Kawhi was the leading scorer at San Diego.

What exactly is your point here?

[Potential]

Scottie as a Robin will have this team back in championship contention soon. I think we should all keep an eye out for Denver the next 2 years. They peaked in 2023 and have fallen off and it doesn't look like things will get any better. If they decide to move in a different direction we should definitely try to go after Jokic. Imagine Scottie and Jokic around 3 pt shooters

[YogurtProducer]

Scottie as a Robin will have this team back in championship contention soon. I think we should all keep an eye out for Denver the next 2 years. They peaked in 2023 and have fallen off and it doesn't look like things will get any better. If they decide to move in a different direction we should definitely try to go after Jokic. Imagine Scottie and Jokic around 3 pt shooters

Scottie / Jokic are to similar. There would be a lot of redundancy there.

You obviously take it 100/100 times - but both Scottie and Jokic would fit better with a high level guard than each other.

[kalel123]

This is a needless toxic BS that is missing the point entirely. The point isn't whether Scottie Barnes is a #1 option or not. It's that this team needs at least one more guy that is at or above his level and they need to complement each other. They also need more quality depth obviously. Until that happens, this team will continue to fail whether Barnes is a #1 option or super role player or whatever TF idiots label him. That's the crux of the crossroad this team is at and Ujiri hasn't set it up to succeed, which is why I'm not very optimistic with this core's chances. That's where the focus needs to lie.

The point is probably his worth of the upcoming contract.
Usually you need a dominance force on one end with at least being average on the other end to justify the max contact.

Plenty of guys at his level gets the rookie max in this day and age. Just look at this draft class alone. You are behind the times if you think he's overpaid there. If you think that's just whack, just lament the times we live in. It's the contract that comes after that where these guys will start to be differentiated. If he's still at this level when his rookie max contract is up and he still gets the max somehow, then yeah, there's a cause to get mad if you are the fan of that team that pays out the contract.

[Indeed]

This is a needless toxic BS that is missing the point entirely. The point isn't whether Scottie Barnes is a #1 option or not. It's that this team needs at least one more guy that is at or above his level and they need to complement each other. They also need more quality depth obviously. Until that happens, this team will continue to fail whether Barnes is a #1 option or super role player or whatever TF idiots label him. That's the crux of the crossroad this team is at and Ujiri hasn't set it up to succeed, which is why I'm not very optimistic with this core's chances. That's where the focus needs to lie.

The point is probably his worth of the upcoming contract.
Usually you need a dominance force on one end with at least being average on the other end to justify the max contact.

Plenty of guys at his level gets the rookie max in this day and age. Just look at this draft class alone. You are behind the times if you think he's overpaid there. If you think that's just whack, just lament the times we live in. It's the contract that comes after that where these guys will start to be differentiated. If he's still at this level when his rookie max contract is up and he still gets the max somehow, then yeah, there's a cause to get mad if you are the fan of that team that pays out the contract.

Those are two different things.
Worth of contract vs market price.

And no, not every rookie is getting a max contract. I don't think Cade Cunningham is getting the same near max contract.

[JB7]

Scottie isn't the #1 option as defined in today's superstars, who are all generally scorers first.

I see Scottie's potential as a #1 player more like Magic was - just a player who overall could control the flow of the game, by playing almost any position on the court, and doing everything on the court.

Magic was surrounded by great players as well, which Scottie will also require.

[Smalltown]

Giannis was still not a #1 option on that team.

Come on now.

[OakleyDokely]

Scottie as a Robin will have this team back in championship contention soon. I think we should all keep an eye out for Denver the next 2 years. They peaked in 2023 and have fallen off and it doesn't look like things will get any better. If they decide to move in a different direction we should definitely try to go after Jokic. Imagine Scottie and Jokic around 3 pt shooters

I think they're more likely to trade Murray who is very expensive and has been injury prone and inconsistent.

[OakleyDokely]

The point is probably his worth of the upcoming contract.
Usually you need a dominance force on one end with at least being average on the other end to justify the max contact.

Plenty of guys at his level gets the rookie max in this day and age. Just look at this draft class alone. You are behind the times if you think he's overpaid there. If you think that's just whack, just lament the times we live in. It's the contract that comes after that where these guys will start to be differentiated. If he's still at this level when his rookie max contract is up and he still gets the max somehow, then yeah, there's a cause to get mad if you are the fan of that team that pays out the contract.

Those are two different things.
Worth of contract vs market price.

And no, not every rookie is getting a max contract. I don't think Cade Cunningham is getting the same near max contract.

Cade, Mobley, Scottie and Wagner all got the rookie max from the 2021 draft class.

If you're picking high in the draft, you better be prepared to pay the max because unless a player unachieved, a max is likely.

[kalel123]

The point is probably his worth of the upcoming contract.
Usually you need a dominance force on one end with at least being average on the other end to justify the max contact.

Plenty of guys at his level gets the rookie max in this day and age. Just look at this draft class alone. You are behind the times if you think he's overpaid there. If you think that's just whack, just lament the times we live in. It's the contract that comes after that where these guys will start to be differentiated. If he's still at this level when his rookie max contract is up and he still gets the max somehow, then yeah, there's a cause to get mad if you are the fan of that team that pays out the contract.

Those are two different things.
Worth of contract vs market price.

And no, not every rookie is getting a max contract. I don't think Cade Cunningham is getting the same near max contract.

He is. Not keeping up with news cycle?

And last I checked, you are worth what they are willing to pay you. aka market value. I don't even know what the heck "worth of the contract" means as it's just a thought inside your head that is out of touch with reality IMO. If you are at the level of other guys getting similar money, then you are worth that contract. Scottie Barnes is.

[YogurtProducer]

Giannis was still not a #1 option on that team.

Come on now.

Scoring the most PPG does not make you a #1 option.

A lot of the Bucks offense in that championship year was initiated by Jrue or Khris. In that playoff run, Giannis took 20.9 shots per game and Khris 19.7, and Giannis gets a LOT of offense in transition or off rebounds offensively.

Hell - in the NBA Finals Khris averaged MORE shot attempts than Giannis did.

Again - Best player =/= you are the best option to give the ball to and get out of the way. Giannis is absolutely incredible, but give the ball to above the 3 point line and let him go to work and get a bucket he is not. Scottie is like that to.

[nikster]

How many guys go from not even being a #1 option in high school or college to being a #1 in NBA?

well, among recent champions and Finals MVPs...Kawhi, Giannis and Joker all did.

Jokic literally won MVP of his pro league before coming to the NBA. Kawhi led his college team in scoring (4ppg more than 2nd on his team).

[nikster]

The point is probably his worth of the upcoming contract.
Usually you need a dominance force on one end with at least being average on the other end to justify the max contact.

Plenty of guys at his level gets the rookie max in this day and age. Just look at this draft class alone. You are behind the times if you think he's overpaid there. If you think that's just whack, just lament the times we live in. It's the contract that comes after that where these guys will start to be differentiated. If he's still at this level when his rookie max contract is up and he still gets the max somehow, then yeah, there's a cause to get mad if you are the fan of that team that pays out the contract.

Those are two different things.
Worth of contract vs market price.

And no, not every rookie is getting a max contract. I don't think Cade Cunningham is getting the same near max contract.

Cade signed a max extension lmao. People complaining about Scotties contract are clueless. He might not end up a bargain like some superstars do but he is 100% worth the max in today's environment

[MEDIC]

Scottie isn't the #1 option as defined in today's superstars, who are all generally scorers first.

I see Scottie's potential as a #1 player more like Magic was - just a player who overall could control the flow of the game, by playing almost any position on the court, and doing everything on the court.

Magic was surrounded by great players as well, which Scottie will also require.

Magic played in a completely different era. Completely different game really.

Need a more recent player comp.

The only ones I can come up with is a prime Turkeyglue or D Green. We need a better player than that & the expectations should be higher.

Basically we need Scottie to develop his game into Lebron lite if we want this team to go anywhere.

[lobosloboslobos]

How many guys go from not even being a #1 option in high school or college to being a #1 in NBA?

well, among recent champions and Finals MVPs...Kawhi, Giannis and Joker all did.

Jokic literally won MVP of his pro league before coming to the NBA. Kawhi led his college team in scoring (4ppg more than 2nd on his team).

Fair enough...though if Jokic was such hot stuff coming into the league why was he only drafted 47th?

I guess I was thinking more about how it took all of them anywhere from 5-8 years before they became legit NBA first options. don't think most people would have thought they were capable of it after their 3rd season....my point is people evolve...scottie's efficiency was better than one of those guys and not that much less than the other two in their 3rd years. as always i dispute everybody's confident predictions about the future...nobody really knows...everything is a calculated guess at best...scottie has as much chance to become a future finals MVP as anyone under the age of 25...

[kalel123]

Plenty of guys at his level gets the rookie max in this day and age. Just look at this draft class alone. You are behind the times if you think he's overpaid there. If you think that's just whack, just lament the times we live in. It's the contract that comes after that where these guys will start to be differentiated. If he's still at this level when his rookie max contract is up and he still gets the max somehow, then yeah, there's a cause to get mad if you are the fan of that team that pays out the contract.

Those are two different things.
Worth of contract vs market price.

And no, not every rookie is getting a max contract. I don't think Cade Cunningham is getting the same near max contract.

Cade signed a max extension lmao. People complaining about Scotties contract are clueless. He might not end up a bargain like some superstars do but he is 100% worth the max in today's environment

To me, this is even worse than lamenting whether Barnes is #1 option or not. Like I said in earlier post, this is about Masai Ujiri and how he wasted time and didn't set this team up for success in terms of getting another top tier talent, which this team desperately needs to contend again, AND/OR decent depth, which he should've gotten at minimum. Everything else is secondary at most and besides the point.

[MonkBatter42]

Scottie will forever be limited by the fact that he's neither a talented shot creator/scorer nor is he super athletic. His ball handling has not improved, his footwork has not improved, and he doesn't have that wiggle or fast-twitch explosiveness to do anything off the dribble from the perimeter. I was getting optimistic though during the preseason, watching Scottie developing a midrange pull-up game, which would open things up for him tremendously. However, that appeared pretty much absent in the home opener. I wish Scottie would play more in the post, as opposed to initiating from the perimeter. What is the point of doing that same old, double through-the-legs dribble that has virtually no effect on the defender, then trying to bully drive his way into the paint, where he inevitably gets cut off 8-10 feet from the hoop, just to then start backing down his man?? Why not just fight for position in the post without wasting all that time doing nothing nothing by iso dribbling? I hate to say it, but Scottie is basically post-Hawks Boris Diaw if the Suns and Bobcats pretended that he was a future superstar and decided to run the offence through him lol.

[Indeed]

Plenty of guys at his level gets the rookie max in this day and age. Just look at this draft class alone. You are behind the times if you think he's overpaid there. If you think that's just whack, just lament the times we live in. It's the contract that comes after that where these guys will start to be differentiated. If he's still at this level when his rookie max contract is up and he still gets the max somehow, then yeah, there's a cause to get mad if you are the fan of that team that pays out the contract.

Those are two different things.
Worth of contract vs market price.

And no, not every rookie is getting a max contract. I don't think Cade Cunningham is getting the same near max contract.

He is. Not keeping up with news cycle?

And last I checked, you are worth what they are willing to pay you. aka market value. I don't even know what the heck "worth of the contract" means as it's just a thought inside your head that is out of touch with reality IMO. If you are at the level of other guys getting similar money, then you are worth that contract. Scottie Barnes is.

So we give up on Powell, Lowry, VanVleet, Siakam and Anunoby is wrong? They were at their market value, and some how we treat someone with less potential better.